The most important current thread on ECF.....

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lauragal

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Those who joined ECF after 2009 may be unaware of the legal battle that raged when the FDA began seizing incoming shipments of e-cigarettes, claiming that the products are an "unapproved combination drug and drug delivery device". The FDA regulates drugs and medical devices under the Food, Drug, and Cosmetics Act (FDCA). Smoking Everywhere filed a complaint in Federal Court asking for an injunction against product seizures. They were joined shortly thereafter by Soterra, Inc. (Doing Business As njoy).



Both companies argued that e-cigarettes are not intended to treat a disease. As a means of swaying public opinion, the FDA held a press conference in July 2009, announcing that "a laboratory analysis of electronic cigarette samples has found that they contain carcinogens and toxic chemicals such as diethylene glycol, an ingredient used in antifreeze." The press gleefully picked up the story and as a result, many smokers who were considering trying an e-cigarette decided that it would be safer to stick with the practice of tobacco-filled paper tubes on fire and inhaling the smoke.

My critique of the FDA's use of propaganda techniques is published here: FDA's partial truths and exaggerations endanger health

As luck would have it, the judge in the case of Smoking Everywhere v. U.S. Food and Drug Administration, wasn't fooled by the FDA's chicanery. When he ruled on the case in January of 2010, he granted the injunction. His opinion document agreed with the Plaintiffs that e-cigarettes are not a drug or a drug-delivery device. After the case was filed but before the judge made his ruling, the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act was passed. Judge Leon advised the FDA that if it felt a need to regulate the products, the agency could do so using the "Tobacco Act". Although the Tobacco Act granted the FDA authority to regulate only Cigarettes and Smokeless Tobacco, the judge noticed that the secretary could deem other tobacco products to be included in the regulatory process, and that the law's definition of "tobacco product" is "any product made of or derived from tobacco." The judge reasoned that since the nicotine in e-cigarettes is extracted from tobacco, the products met the law's definition of a tobacco product. He also reasoned that if a manufacturer or vendor did make medical claims, the FDA could regulate that particular product as a drug or drug-delivery device under the FDCA. Judge Leon's opinion document is available here: http://www.casaa.org/uploads/SE-vs-FDA-Opinion.pdf

But the legal battle at the Federal level was not over at that time. The FDA appealed and asked the Appeals Court to set aside the injunction. Their request was granted and the FDA resumed seizing incoming shipments. Written and Oral arguments ensued. CASAA was among a group of organizations that filed an Amicus (friend of the court) Brief in support of the Plaintiffs. The Appeals Court ruled against FDA in December of 2010. Here is the opinion document of the three-judge panel: http://www.casaa.org/uploads/ct_app_opinion_on_injunction.pdf

The tenacious agency appealed again, asking the Appeals court for rehearing with all 9 judges. The Appeals court turned down the request. At the point, the FDA's only legal recourse would have been to ask the Supreme Court to hear the case. The FDA's legal team (members of the Department of Justice) finally decided that it would be futile to continue. In April 2011, the FDA announced that in the future only products that made health claims would be detained. http://www.casaa.org/uploads/Declar...ziano__FDA__in_NJOY_v._FDA_re_importation.pdf

For those who are unfamiliar with the nuances of what all this means: If the courts had ruled that FDA could regulate all e-cigarettes under the FDCA, this would have meant that all sales of the product would be banned. The only way an e-cigarette could be sold would be if a manufacturer made a New Drug Application with the FDA, went through all of the required testing, reports, and clinical trials, and if the FDA finally decided that it was "safe and effective" and granted the company permission to market the products. As you can imagine, the new drug approval process is complex, expensive, and time-consuming.

The FDA has since announced that it intends to "deem" e-cigarettes a product that it will regulate under the Tobacco Act. In this article, I discuss how the FDA could still manage ban sales of most, if not all, e-cigarettes. FDA Regulation Could Make E-Cigarettes Less Effective

Legal battles were already starting in 2010 at the state and local level. CASAA has issued a Call to Action whenever a law or regulation has been proposed that would prevent sales to adults or impose restrictions on products themselves or product use. Here is a list of successful campaigns. Successful CASAA Campaigns

These battles continue. Here is CASAA's list of Calls to Action: CASAA Calls to Action

We welcome your participation and support.

Thank you for this - as a New Yorker and fellow vapor, I got right on this and wrote to all senators listed. I was unaware of this bill that is being proposed in New York, and glad I chanced upon this thread, and this information. Just wanted to thank you and all CASAA activists that have played a part in organizing this forum, and everything else that goes on behind the scenes that most don't realize. Again, thank you!

Laura

BTW - I am not a veteran vaper - I joined this forum in 2008 when I first attempted vaping, which didn't last more than a month, as electronic cigarettes back then were not what they are today! They've come a LONG way and I'm now a very happy and content vapor!
 
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I sure hope vaping remains available to you guys south of the border, especially since the Canadian government seems to follow suit with yours. Either that or they bend to who ever lines there pockets the most, its just sad that a safer alternative to traditional tobacco products faces pit falls because less tax money will be generated. I mean not to many years ago our politicians allowed are tax dollars to be used in a study to make cigarettes more addictive, to cover their involvement after it became public knowledge they went after the very smoker's they were trying to keep addicted(massive health warning's on a packs, smoking banned in every public place and huge fines if you do). First they help get me hooked then they make me feel like crap about myself because of it, sure they've publicized a bunch of quit smoking method's but almost every person I know that's tried the gum or the patch has ended up smoking twice as much in the end... Oh wait, here's another option, take these pills and if you don't get nightmares and develop suicidal tendencies it could help you quit! and lets not even get into the cost of their approved methods of quitting, just breaks my heart that I've finally found something that I know will keep me off tobacco and it's probably going to be taken away. To hell with them, they can't take it away now, I've learned enough over the last few months to make my own devices and my own juice, the most they can accomplish now is to add nicotine to the same list of banned substances such as ........., ......., ect... and even then there will still be a market for it.(just my opinion, which I believe I still have a right to? could be wrong on that aswell though, lol)


Sorry, that's my rant of the day I guess.


VAPE ON!
 

Gsnuff

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nic addicts typically pay big tobacco $5-$7 for the nicotine in a pack of analogs or they pay big pharma $8-$10 for the same dose in the form of gum / patches / etc.

You and I can buy that dose (in the form of unflavored DIY nic) for a few pennies. Simple economics will tell you EXACTLY how this will turn out... just a matter of how long it will take and who will get $5-$10 per dose (pharma or Tobacco).

Buy and Freeze....Buy and Freeze.

RTS could make a killing selling future nic options (we pay more today but can deffer delivery for a few years).


Really interesting to see how this works out..
 

EddardinWinter

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They will pry my eGo from my cold, dead hand. After they pry my Glock 17 from the other....

Seriously, though, if you have not already joined CASAA, do so today. It is the most effective way we can push our cause. Donate what you can (even 10 bucks from each member who can afford it would help) so the next time the FDA gets ready to move, CASAA has what it needs to act immediately!
 

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I agree. So many people have no idea this is even happening. The word needs to get out before November.

It is frightening that vaping could be destructed so easily. A lot of good ideas have been posted in the thread today. Especially slicksticks post. I am willing to pursue this idea if others agree it might help. I am anxious to get Bill's thoughts on it. Hopefully he can guide us in the right direction to get it moving. Time is ticking for us. I am screaming louder than ever!!!!!!
 
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