The myth of second hand vape

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Yeah... Those Damn Aliens sure have Mucked things up.

I curse the Person who First Invented intergalactic travel via a Distortion of the Time/Space Continuum.

Figures. Aliens... dangnabbit.

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You got me there. I see a digital rendering of CAPTAIN JUSTICE! in our near-future!

Yea good idea then we can slap them down where it applies;-) He should most defiantly sport a Provari. O wait is a captain implying its a he? Not very unoffending of me to assume captian justice is a male after all Captain Justice is a many times female maybe the rendition should be transgendered:lol:
 

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There is no basis to tax vaping. As a result, everyone who vapes is not being taxed.

The tobacco industry is the most heavily taxed industry. 80 percent of the cost of a pack of cigarettes is tax in one way or the other. The tax is justified because smoking is harmful.... The government makes more profit on a pack of cigarettes sold in the US than the tobacco company themselves.

The problem is, the government does not have the justification to tax it. The more people vape, the less they smoke, and unlike quitting using NRT, e-cigs actually have the gall to be a more permanent solution.

I am pretty sure if the government could find a way to get their piece of the vaping industry, I'm sure we would hear how great it is. As it stands, we are costing them revenue.

Also, Big Tobacco is still very powerful. They have powerful allies in government. They are all about preserving their source of revenue. So it's not JUST about taxes.

the government has to demomise it first.
it will will be a gateway drug for the children.its just as bad as analogs.your battery will blow up
in your face.it contains anti-freeze.it harmful to those around you,your children,and most
important of all your pets.
we dont know the long term effects.(they have been studying the ingredients for 20 or more years.)
yada yada yada.

after that it will be like,ok you can do it but we'll have to regulate and tax the bejeebers out of it.

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If All they wanted was More Money, wouldn't they want us to Vape More instead of Less?
That would depend on which form of nicotine delivery is taxed at a higher rate.
Currently that would obviously be combustible tobacco, and it theoretically should always stay that way.

So in light of that I would say no.
They would much rather we continue smoking.
 

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That would depend on which form of nicotine delivery is taxed at a higher rate.
Currently that would obviously be combustible tobacco, and it theoretically should always stay that way.

So in light of that I would say no.
They would much rather we continue smoking.

No way is that true. If that was the case they would just start raising taxes on cigarettes, and charge a crazy high price for them proving they have no real concern for our health and only their greed for more money.

Next your going to suggest some states will legalize other smokable stuff and place a high tax rate on it also.
 
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That would depend on which form of nicotine delivery is taxed at a higher rate.
Currently that would obviously be combustible tobacco, and it theoretically should always stay that way.

So in light of that I would say no.
They would much rather we continue smoking.

All I know is when the a Country is 16 Trillion (That TRILLION with a "T") in the Hole. And all it's States are Bankrupt. Or Teetering on Bankruptcy, it Doesn't take much of a Reason to Tax Something.

And something that Looks like Smoking Shouldn't be an Exception.
 

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Controversy sells. It may not be a bad thing if there's a public debate with lots of mudslinging. My conclusions are provisional and I appreciate the debates in these threads for offering different source material and perspectives.

I figure I could add by saying that there's a benefit to asking tough questions. One of the first designs for a space capsule burnt up three astronauts because no one thought to ask about or accept the possibility of a short wreaking havoc in an oxygen rich environment. It took a tragedy to learn to blend the air. Seems like a no-brainer now.
 
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Saying that vaping "poses no public hazard" is not the same thing as saying that it is 100% safe. Nothing is 100% safe, not even oxygen ( http://indianapublicmedia.org/amomentofscience/can-oxygen-be-toxic/). According to some theories oxygen is in fact a key cause of cell degradation (i.e. aging), which eventually leads to death:

According to the free radical theory of aging, cells continuously produce free radicals, and constant radical damage eventually kills the cell. When radicals kill or damage enough cells in an organism, the organism ages.
The production of radical oxygen, the most common radical in biological systems, occurs mostly within the mitochondria of a cell. Mitochondria are small membrane-enclosed regions of a cell that produce the chemicals a cell uses for energy. [...] The primary site of radical oxygen damage is mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA). Every cell contains an enormous set of molecules called DNA which provide chemical instructions for a cell to function. This DNA is found in the nucleus of the cell, which serves as the "command center" of the cell, as well as in the mitochondria. The cell fixes much of the damage done to nuclear DNA. However, mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) cannot be readily fixed. Therefore, extensive mtDNA damage accumulates over time and shuts down mitochondria, causing cells to die and the organism to age.
(http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~wilkins/writing/Samples/shortmed/nelson/radicals.html).

So, nothing is 100% safe, and when something is termed safe it actually means that it does not cause undue harm. The OP clearly showed, by way of easily understandable math, "second hand vape" (even in exaggerated amounts) causes no more harm than eating a small amount of potatoes, and it is therefore safe. In fact, the trace amounts of nicotine a "passive vaper" could inhale are so miniscule that even any potential positive effects of it are nonexistent.

Active vaping is another matter, and not the topic of this thread. Vaping might be more hazardous than breathing pure air, but existing studies seem to indicate that the amounts of pg, vg, and nicotine inhaled in normal vaping aren't particularly dangerous, and in any case there is nowhere on this planet where we can actually only inhale pure air, certainly not in cities.

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All I know is when the a Country is 16 Trillion (That TRILLION with a "T") in the Hole. And all it's States are Bankrupt. Or Teetering on Bankruptcy, it Doesn't take much of a Reason to Tax Something.

And something that Looks like Smoking Shouldn't be an Exception.

All internet sales will be taxed next year. Guarantee it.
 

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I think this second-hand vape myth is nothing but a propaganda peddled by ANTZ to stigmatize, and ultimately ban, all nicotine. They're the same people who get their jollies sticking their noses into our private lives just to make themselves feel superior to the "other guys."

Could it possibly be that when one inhales a substance which contains PG, VG, flavorings, preservatives and colorings that they exhale something other than water vapor? Look at all the people in this forum stating they have an allergy to PG or VG. Many school districts have banned milk and peanut butter just because of the possibility a child may be allergic. Perhaps when studies testing those who have allergic reactions to PG or VG are conducted, concerning exposure to second hand e-juice, we will have more clarity. There is such a thing as liability, which businesses and government agencies have an interest in.
 

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All I know is when the a Country is 16 Trillion (That TRILLION with a "T") in the Hole. And all it's States are Bankrupt. Or Teetering on Bankruptcy, it Doesn't take much of a Reason to Tax Something.

And something that Looks like Smoking Shouldn't be an Exception.

Certainly NOT all of the States are Bankrupt.

Virginia runs a balanced budget every year. That is why I wish we would issue our own currency...

Anyway...

Delaware, Florida, Virginia, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, Minnesota, Missouri, North Carolina, and Utah have bond ratings of AAA (greater than the US)
 

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No way is that true. If that was the case they would just start raising taxes on cigarettes, and charge a crazy high price for them proving they have no real concern for our health and only their greed for more money.

Next your going to suggest some states will legalize other smokable stuff and place a high tax rate on it also.

25% baby on top of normal state sales tax, which depending on the locality in Co could hit 10%. So 30% sales tax.. Not chump change.

Now how many other states do you think will get in on that? Honestly? The states are stupid if they don't. The states have raided big tobacco. The states are jumping on the casino band wagon... why not ....
 
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