The myth of second hand vape
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I understand that we all love e-cig (otherwise we wouldn't be here) and we want it to be safe. If we all love it and want it, shouldn't we welcome more studies on it? Actually, the ways some of us "defend" e-cig remind me a lot of, back in the days, how smokers defended smoking.
I'm sure I'll get my .... kicked for this, but there was a member about a year ago....she had a parrot that was many years old and started to have health problems. The owner of the parrot was rational enough to consider that it might have hd to do with her vaping in the same room with the parrot. As she told it, she took the parrot to the vet and had extensive tests done, especially to determine if there was any sign of nicotine exposure/poisoning, she posted the results that stated that the eat found ZERO trace(s) of nicotine in the bird. Is this relevant to this thread? Maybe. I just thought I'd share. Again, this is NOT a proven fact, just conveying another responsible Vaper's experience to the thread.
Wahoo thats good enough for me boys! If it cant kill a parrot it sure cant kill me have a drag for the good ladys bird folks;-)
Regardless of the result, she did the rigfht thing ... in fact this is the attitude we should have. We should ask questions and investigate instead of relying on just wishful thinking. I have 1 Amazon parrot, 1 old cat and 1 young but asthmatic cat. So far I haven't observed any effect my vaping might have on them but it's something that has been on my mind.
I believe quite a few non-vaper/smoker spouses of vapers took home nicotine tests a few years ago and came up blank. I haven't read the actual thread, but I've seen it referred to, and didn't have any reason to doubt its credibility (I think I read DVap and Exogenesis talking about it - if they were convinced then I am)
I think 30 years worth of studies on snus in Sweden provides significant evidence that this is not a concern.
RE: pets (cats specifically). I have 2 middle aged cats, and I vape 50/50 PG/VG indoors a lot while at home, and it's cold and wet here so I don't have windows open or fans on. They sleep in chairs next to me in the office (small room) while I vape.
My cats were due for the first "senior" pet exam (they are 7 yrs old) and I mentioned that with the other blood labs I wanted them to check for heinz bodies (the kind of anemia that cats get from exposure to PG). These are my "kids" and I didn't want to be causing them harm unknowingly. The vet agreed that it would be wise to check.
Bloodwork came out stellar, nothing in the bloodwork to cause any alarm. I feel much more comfortable vaping around them now. Of course I don't blow it in their faces, but my one cat likes to sniff and grab the mouthpiece, and sometimes they happen to get right in front of me while I'm exhaling. I usually hold it until they pass by but I don't worry about the vapor falling onto the furniture or getting in their fur like I used to.
My cats were due for the first "senior" pet exam (they are 7 yrs old) and I mentioned that with the other blood labs I wanted them to check for heinz bodies (the kind of anemia that cats get from exposure to PG). These are my "kids" and I didn't want to be causing them harm unknowingly. The vet agreed that it would be wise to check.
Bloodwork came out stellar, nothing in the bloodwork to cause any alarm. I feel much more comfortable vaping around them now. Of course I don't blow it in their faces, but my one cat likes to sniff and grab the mouthpiece, and sometimes they happen to get right in front of me while I'm exhaling. I usually hold it until they pass by but I don't worry about the vapor falling onto the furniture or getting in their fur like I used to.
Cats Dogs and Birds all lick them selves ( You know you would to if you could);-) So they are eligible for the double whammy. Not only breathing but ingesting also. But they do have a working appendix so they have a slight advantage of what they ingest over us.
You do not understand the the scientific or engineering language:
Predictions means: You say it is safe when there is absolutely no way a lawyer could make a case
against you, the university or firm.
More studies are needed means: You really enjoyed the last grant given to the university or firm
and would like to do it again. This is similar to the "in the limited studies we have done" line
The long term effects have not been studied means: You would prefer tenure funding for this study, and promise more graphs
next time.
You get my drift! You are asking for something that is never said by the scientific or engineering community.
I know I'm an engineer.
I appreciate you playing devil's advocate, a role I often enjoy myself.
but to demand absolutes that is just not going to happen. When I play
the role I usually try to come up with evidence to buttress my case or position,
you have not done that, but request it of others to satisfy your doubt.
So what do you have for me to create doubts about my vaping
BTW most of us are content that we have given up a very deadly habit
with one that in all probability is much healthier for us.
This is true; probably for the vast majority of us on here. However, the population at large who doesn't smoke or vape probably would not like to ingest our e-juice vapor, short of many, widely accepted, long-term, conclusive studies.
I heard that the Tragic Demise of the Parrot (Mr. Feathers) was caused by Acute Nicotine Withdrawal Syndrome, ANWS.
Sadly, if the Parrot's owner had Slowly Ramped-Down off analogs instead of Switching to e-Cigarettes almost instantaneously, that Mr. Feathers might have had a better chance to Detox from the 2nd Hand Analog Smoke he was receiving Daily.
But who can say for sure?
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On a Lighter Note: I wish Everyone a Great New Years. And I hope 2014 Brings you Many Happy Returns.
I really should have broken out the 
sooner.
Anyone want any ? I have some extra
Vape On
sooner.Anyone want any
? I have some extra Vape On
In his/her defence, Diogenes isn't asking for the absolute ... in fact s/he has clarified that in one of the posts. S/he is asking for substantial proofs, which I agree w/ him/her that there are not enough of.
Ok, that is fair, you don't think it is safe with all the links provided, no problem, Don't Vape, Don't be around anyone that Vapes, real simple. Vaping has been around for a short time compared to smoking, and how can all the effects be known in such a short time. Is it better than smoking, I say 100%, coughing stopped, I breath easier, have more energy, yes it is better for me. Is it going to be shown down the road to have some harmful effect, I have no idea, and neither do you. To say something is bad because you don't have PROOF it is not just makes you an ***. Get a life and live it.
Rant Over
Time for some
and get ready for the mayhem.Vape On
Ok, that is fair, you don't think it is safe with all the links provided, no problem, Don't Vape, Don't be around anyone that Vapes, real simple. Vaping has been around for a short time compared to smoking, and how can all the effects be known in such a short time. Is it better than smoking, I say 100%, coughing stopped, I breath easier, have more energy, yes it is better for me. Is it going to be shown down the road to have some harmful effect, I have no idea, and neither do you. To say something is bad because you don't have PROOF it is not just makes you an ***. Get a life and live it.
Rant Over
Time for some
Vape On
You have to remove the pop corn your now involved in the debate;-)
But I like
and it is not a debate to me, I know what is better for me and the ones around me, and it is not smoking. I feel in my heart Vaping is better for everyone involved in my life, and so do they. So it is not a debate, I just need more to watch all the excitement.Vape On
I don't believe anyone has said that. If you're going to rant, at least rant about something substantial and not just something you made up for the sake of a rant.
But I like
And again, nobody has said otherwise, nor is that what's being debated.
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