The myth of second hand vape

[zoiDman]

And we are quickly losing ground and running shorter and shorter on time.
Actually, it's probably already too late.

However, I would argue that...

Not vaping where you can not smoke will have two unfortunate consequences...
--Help convince the public that vaping is as bad as smoking
--Reduce the number of opportunities we have to educate

Not vaping where you can not smoke probably also serves another purpose...
--Slowing down, to some degree, the rate at which businesses will forbid vaping in their establishments

But worrying about businesses banning vaping misses the bigger picture...
Cities, counties, and even states are banning vaping faster than businesses are...
And also taking away the right for those businesses to make those decisions for themselves...

Not to mention the fact that it seems to me to be a nonsensical argument.
It's essentially saying don't vape in a business because otherwise the business may ban vaping.

When you add all that together, vaping where you can not smoke is a losing proposition that will hurt us in the long run.

DC, I have read your posts for a Long Time. And I know that you are Very Sincere about Vaping with Respect and the Harm Reduction of using an e-Cigarette.

I also think you see that there are Pro's and Con's to any Way that a Vaper uses his/her PV in Public. I think what needs to be asked is Do the Pro's outweigh the Con's? Or is it the Other way around?

And what are the Inevitable Bans that are Winnable fights?

I believe that Public Education and Acceptance is Crucial. But as both you and I know, that is going to take time. Time for Studies, Time for the FDA to make a Ruling. And Time for the General Public to Except, own the own terms, people using e-Cigarettes.

Why would any vaper want to do Anything that could Accelerate a Policy Decision?

It seems that the Longer we can go, the more that the General Population will see the Benefits of e-Cigarettes. And that their Benefits outweigh some of the Stigmas that are associated with them.

 

[p.opus]

Anjaffm has entered the fray........

Time to pop some more

 

[zoiDman]

I hear what you're saying, and at higher levels like state-wide bans I'm sure your point stands.
But at more local levels I have seen politicians that are familiar with vaping arguing in our favor and making a huge difference.

BTW - You probably don't get the OC Register down where you are. But this was on the Front Page of Todays Paper.

Irvine only campus in UC system allowing e-cigs amid ban - The Orange County Register

 

[zoiDman]

Anjaffm has entered the fray........

Time to pop some more

I'm ready.

 

[spartanstew]

Anjaffm has entered the fray........

Time to pop some more

Yep, with the incorrect assumption that it's all about health risks, which as was stated earlier in the thread, it's usually not.

 

[zoiDman]

Yes, yes it is. Always loved him in the show!

Yeah... He Always Cracked me Up.

 

[Anjaffm]

Naaawwww, p.opus
I simply challenge our resident ANTZ to read some of the studies - instead of spouting their usual lies and their usual FUD.

Of course, if a nice person can profit from the links that I have provided, that would be nice as well. *big smile*
It is an ill wind that blows nobody any good.

You see, I am not holding my breath in the expectation that those who cannot even spell their own mother tongue correctly actually have the ability to read - and comprehend - more than a few lines of text.

However, I know that there are people present who can actually read and comprehend Forbes articles and scientific studies. Let me say that my contribution in this thread is aimed at those who actually have a wish to gain information on the subject at hand. *very sweet smile*

 

[p.opus]

What we really need is for Matt and Trey to do a South Park on Vaping......They're pretty staunch libertarians from what I've seen and they would have a field day.

We'd get skewered, no one leaves unscathed, but I think our message would actually be put out there.




I said NO VAPING .......IT!!!!

 

[Anjaffm]

Whee time for pictures! Nice!

Here is one for our resident ANTZ and their FUD:

Hm... looks like the picture is just as fake as the "statements" of our darling FUD brigade. Thus, it is quite suitable indeed

 

[zoiDman]

Yep, with the incorrect assumption that it's all about health risks, which as was stated earlier in the thread, it's usually not.

Yeah.. If I truly believed that the Only Factor that went into an e-Cigarette Use Policy was the Health/Risk of people Inhaling 2nd Hand Vapor, I would be ...... to.

 

[Anjaffm]

Yep, with the incorrect assumption that it's all about health risks, which as was stated earlier in the thread, it's usually not.

health risks my foot.
Unless, of course, you listen to the lies of the ANTZ. Those out there - and those in this forum.

And don't tell me zoidman actually bothered to read up on the subject of bans?

Few dare call it bribery: OK grants, e-cigs, and another brick in the wall « Watchdog.org

miracles never cease, eh?

 

[DC2]

I believe that Public Education and Acceptance is Crucial.

We are most certainly in agreement here.

But as both you and I know, that is going to take time.

And that is why it is important to do anything we can to accelerate that process.

Time for Studies

We have already seen that the studies are being ignored or spun by the mainstream media to present vaping in the worst light.

The mainstream media is the main form of public education, unfortunately, and we can not afford to wait for them to change their tune.
They are not going to do so out of the kindness of their heart, and doing so won't improve their ratings.

Time for the FDA to make a Ruling.

We need to do all we can to influence that ruling, not just wait for it.

And Time for the General Public to Except, own the own terms, people using e-Cigarettes.

And the best way to do that is to educate them one at a time, because no one is going to do it for us.

Why would any vaper want to do Anything that could Accelerate a Policy Decision?

I do not agree that vaping only where smoking is allowed is going to do anything to slow down any legislative policy decisions.
But I am pretty sure that my opinion on that was clear from the arguments I made in previous posts.

 

[zoiDman]

We are most certainly in agreement here.


And that is why it is important to do anything we can to accelerate that process.


We have already seen that the studies are being ignored or spun by the mainstream media to present vaping in the worst light.

The mainstream media is the main form of public education, unfortunately, and we can not afford to wait for them to change their tune.
They are not going to do so out of the kindness of their heart, and doing so won't improve their ratings.


We need to do all we can to influence that ruling, not just wait for it.


And the best way to do that is to educate them one at a time, because no one is going to do it for us.


I do not agree that vaping only where smoking is allowed is going to do anything to slow down any legislative policy decisions.
But I am pretty sure that was clear from the arguments I made in previous posts.

I think you and I Agree on more than we Dis-Agree on. At least when it comes to the Important Matters.

 

[stevegmu]

Maybe vapers could wear a badge of some sort on their clothes so anyone can recognize from a distance they are vaping, not smoking...

 

[DC2]

BTW - You probably don't get the OC Register down where you are. But this was on the Front Page of Todays Paper.

Irvine only campus in UC system allowing e-cigs amid ban - The Orange County Register

That is absolutely amazing.


I just wish I could read about things like that happening more often.
And I wish that every mainstream article (even that one) wasn't filled with such disgusting propaganda.

But hey, fantastic news for now!

 

[zoiDman]

That is absolutely amazing.


I just wish I could read about things like that happening more often.
And I wish that every mainstream article (even that one) wasn't filled with such disgusting propaganda.

But hey, fantastic news for now!

Glad you liked it. The OC Register is a Rag. But it does have a Huge Audience.

If I was in charge of a Pro-Vaping Org, I would be contacting Anyone who is Pro or at least Sympathetic to Vaping and ask them if I could interview them. Or get a Brief statement from them as to the Positive aspect they see that e-Cigarette offer.

 

[DC2]

If I was in charge of a Pro-Vaping Org, I would be contacting Anyone who is Pro or at least Sympathetic to Vaping and ask them if I could interview them. Or get a Brief statement from them as to the Positive aspect they see that e-Cigarette offer.

You mean like this...
Reasonable people saying sensible things about low-risk alternatives to smoking (update) « The counterfactual

 

[SissySpike]

Maybe vapers could wear a badge of some sort on their clothes so anyone can recognize from a distance they are vaping, not smoking...

kind of like this?

 

[zoiDman]

You mean like this...
Reasonable people saying sensible things about low-risk alternatives to smoking (update) « The counterfactual

Yeah... That's the Ticket.

But I would post them to a Web Site that has a Less Threating (all be it Confusing) Logo.

 

[zoiDman]

kind of like this?
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Hummm?

Something tells me this thread is About Done.