The myth of second hand vape

[wv2win]

You can pretend the vaping Police don't exist....but I just spotted one of their cruisers outside. Here, I took a quick photo to prove it!!

I didn't know you lived around the corner from zoilDman??

 

[stevegmu]

You can pretend the vaping Police don't exist....but I just spotted one of their cruisers outside.

Those guys are lightweights. The ones you have to watch out for are the NUTZ, who drive non-marked black cars and ride around in in silent helicopters.

 

[wv2win]

I was with you, and Agree with what you said until you got here....

Those who vape respectfully must be condemned by the few who are obnoxious.

Why do you ALLWAYS have to put Words into Other peoples Mouths, and or Twist Other People Views into Something there Not, to make your Position seem more Viable?

Maybe because many of your posts are so "couched" (seemingly intentionally) in circumspect statements that one must take a course in "reading between the lines" to ever know what you are saying. There are politicians who could take lessons from you and probably get reelected every year, lol.

 

[zoiDman]

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note: I also find it telling that you did not respond to the content of my post about your experience not being the same as others and that others experience are Just as valid as yours.

Perhaps it is Because I think that some concepts, like Everyone having Different Experiences in their life then another's, are so Basic, and Understood by all but the Most Narrow Minded, that there wasn't really any need to Expound upon it.

I'll let you take this thread where you want it to go. It's too Nice of a Day outside to Argue with you.

Now if you will Excuse me, I have to go Outside and find a Stick to get this Gum Off my Shoe.

Happy New Year wv2win.

 

[Orb Skewer]

Ed, we need a 'Dukes of Hazzard' pic too

 

[zoiDman]

Those guys are lightweights. The ones you have to watch out for are the ANTS, who drive non-marked black cars and ride around in in silent helicopters.

No... The One's that you have to Look Out For are the NUTZ's

ANTZS are Easy to spot, they would Never have a PV in their Hands. But a NUTZ may or May Not. You can't tell with them until they start to Post.

 

[wv2win]

Have you ever Heard the term that "Perception is Reality"?

Not making a statement about Right or Wrong, just that to many People, Non-Vapers, Vaping Is Smoking.

Once again, Not Saying that this Perception is Right or Wrong. But until the Majority of the Non-Vaping Population understand More about Vaping, there will be Many who see No Difference.

Which is why it is important that non-vapers are exposed to the difference. How can the non-vaping population understand and experience the differences if vapers continually act like smokers.

But this is about to rabbit trail into a vaping in public debate which is sort of off the original topic of the toxicity or lack thereof of second hand vape.

If vapers act like smokers, then they only perpetuate the perception.

I don't Remember climbing to the Top of a Mountain, above all the Rhetoric, and seeing this Carved in Stone as an Obsolete Truth.

(Sorry for the Rhetoric but I Couldn't Resist. LOL)

Oh, now we see. It is only an Obsolete Truth when you use it in a post to "try" and make a point. But once others use the term "Perception is Reality" to make an opposite point to yours, it now becomes circumspect??? You need to inform us in advance that you play by a different "rule of logic" that we are not allowed to use.

 

[wv2win]

Perhaps it is Because I think that some concepts, like Everyone having Different Experiences in their life then another's, are so Basic, and Understood by all but the Most Narrow Minded, that there wasn't really any need to Expound upon it.

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You know when you use insults like "Most Narrow Minded" it does nothing positive for perceptions on a post. And as usual you ignored the most important point of my reply to you, which is par for the course. Suggesting a change in other's behavior based on only your experience, is the issue. I find your reply quit disingenuous, unfortunately.

 

[p.opus]

Those guys are lightweights. The ones you have to watch out for are the NUTZ, who drive non-marked black cars and ride around in in silent helicopters.

NUTZ???? Unfortunately there is no context sensitive help to tell me what that stands for other than the obvious play on Nuts....

 

[Uma]

Great thread p.opus!

 

[DC2]

Have you ever Heard the term that "Perception is Reality"?

Not making a statement about Right or Wrong, just that to many People, Non-Vapers, Vaping Is Smoking.

Once again, Not Saying that this Perception is Right or Wrong. But until the Majority of the Non-Vaping Population understand More about Vaping, there will be Many who see No Difference.

And the correct response to that would be...

Accept it and learn to deal with it?
Or educate and try to change it?

 

[Uma]

It's Very Hard to say now that BT has Entered the Fray. And the FDA has not made Much Public recently.

But One Thing I will Guarantee. 2014 is going to be Different than 2013. And I feel where Vapers in the Future will look back and say... "Yeah, 2014 was the Year that it Changed."

Pfizer had a pen vaporizer years ago, for providing Meds, but dropped it because the med studies were too expensive. Now there is a company coming out with a med vaporizer (like a pen) & they hope to use it for all kinds of Meds. California Company Creates Medical Device That Could Change the Course of Medicine as We Know It
I wonder who owns (aka) this co.
I think this is far more dangerous than our vaping. Where are the protesters on this?

 

[Diogenes]

I can Follow your Logic Ed. Although that wasn't the Motivation I had for Switching.

For me, it wasn't about being able to use an e-Cigarette Anywhere I wanted to. It was all about a Healthier Alternative to Smoking. And a desire to break the Dependency I had to Analogs.

I hated that Feeling I had of Always having to check if I had Smokes. Or if there was somewhere to Buy Smokes where I was Going? Or was my Lighter Full? And where could I Smoke once I got to where I was going

I guess that is Also what has Shaped many of my Views about Vaping in Non-Smoking Areas. I don't want to EVER get to the Point where I have the Same Feeling about Vaping that I did about Smoking. That I was somewhere that I Couldn't Vape but that I Had To or I felt Bad

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BTW Did you Notice that we have a New Buzz Word. Since it is considered Rude to call Members ANTZ, we are Now referring to them as "The Vaping Police".

I wonder if a Vaping Police Officer has the VPD Logo Inscribed in a Triangle? And if they have Capes.

LOL

I was going to wait until I finished reading all the replies first, but when I saw capes, I immediately thought of this :

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[p.opus]

Pfizer had a pen vaporizer years ago, for providing Meds, but dropped it because the med studies were too expensive. Now there is a company coming out with a med vaporizer (like a pen) & they hope to use it for all kinds of Meds. California Company Creates Medical Device That Could Change the Course of Medicine as We Know It
I wonder who owns (aka) this co.
I think this is far more dangerous than our vaping. Where are the protesters on this?

That guy in the bar who's vaping ...... may give all of us guys "second hand erections"

Oh the humanity.......

What a sight to see that would be........

 

[RosaJ]

That guy in the bar who's vaping ...... may give all of us "second hand erections" oh the humanity...

I just had the same though!

 

[zoiDman]

And the correct response to that would be...

Accept it and learn to deal with it?
Or educate and try to change it?

Both of these are Correct in there own way DC.

And both of them will take some Time to Do.

 

[zoiDman]

Pfizer had a pen vaporizer years ago, for providing Meds, but dropped it because the med studies were too expensive. Now there is a company coming out with a med vaporizer (like a pen) & they hope to use it for all kinds of Meds. California Company Creates Medical Device That Could Change the Course of Medicine as We Know It
I wonder who owns (aka) this co.
I think this is far more dangerous than our vaping. Where are the protesters on this?

Maybe it is So New that No One has even heard of it Yet?

 

[zoiDman]

I was going to wait until I finished reading all the replies first, but when I saw capes, I immediately thought of this :

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Isn't that Lrrr?

Emperor of Omicron Persei 8.

 

[generic mutant]

Which is why it is important that non-vapers are exposed to the difference. How can the non-vaping population understand and experience the differences if vapers continually act like smokers.

But this is about to rabbit trail into a vaping in public debate which is sort of off the original topic of the toxicity or lack thereof of second hand vape.

If vapers act like smokers, then they only perpetuate the perception.

I still think a lot of this mutual incomprehension could be avoided if we were a little clearer about what we meant. And the corollary of that is if we don't understand what one another mean, or can't see why someone would believe what we think they're saying, we should probably ask for clarification instead of locking horns immediately.

I don't think the "restrained vape" crowd really mean "don't vape where you can't smoke". I think the number of people who really think that, if pushed, is as close to 0 as to be not worth talking about.

What they mean is "vape in designated areas". So if there are no designated areas for vaping, unfortunately, that means vaping in smoking areas by default.

But there are designated vaping areas. Any business that lets you vape in it establishes itself as, at least in part, a designated vaping area. They have that legal right.

So the idea that the public are not going to see vapers, or realise that we aren't smokers, or otherwise monsters spewing poisonous gases, must be overstated.

 

[rico942]

That guy in the bar who's vaping ...... may give all of us guys "second hand erections"

But will it last more than four hours ?