The myth of second hand vape

[Baldr]

"You're a liar because I don't like what you're saying!!" Good one.

You're a liar because you keep claiming these risks with no evidence.

 

[Racehorse]

I did say it was safer than smoking, but not without it's own set of risks.

I think that's the actual definition of Harm Reduction.


I didn't read any of your other posts. But that statement you just made that I quoted, IS the definition of HR.....except add the word "maybe" before the word "not".

 

[zoiDman]

I'm sorry, I don't mean to take this out on you, but if people are going to cite my posts, please read all of them in this thread, especially the one that states...

I am MALE!

Sorry Diogenes.

In a Fast Moving thread, I thought it was Better to use the reference of He/She when Unsure than run the Risk of Offending you.

 

[Robino1]

Diogenes has stated that he is male, or was the last time he checked.

Edit: already been addressed. I got distracted

Reading comprehension, I have noticed, is lacking on both sides of most issues.

 

[zoiDman]

'Flashlights proven to be more dangerous than vaping!' perhaps?

They are for Me.

 

[Baldr]

BTW, every time you say "It's risky" you are saying "It's dangerous".

risk - definition of risk by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

risk (rsk)
n.
1. The possibility of suffering harm or loss; danger.

 

[Diogenes]

This is what I mean when I say you are asking for magic. You want a 60+ year long study on vaping, which hasn't existed for anything clse to 60 years. And the same would have been true of asprin when it came out - you can't study it for 60 years as soon as it comes out. The same for the wifi, the same for auto emissions, the same for whatever-the-heck thing gets invented tomorrow.

If you're saying that you want to outlaw vaping for 60 years so that it can only be done in controlled lab situations so they can study it, yes, I believe you are the kind of person that would demand that sort of thing.

I have no idea why I keep answering you. I feel my IQ drop several points every time I hit reply to your post.

I never said I wanted a 60+ year study on vaping. I said scientists have done a 60+ year study, showing that long-term studies were not impossible. I never said it was on vaping.

And I have never made any mention, utterance, inference, or insinuation about outlawing vaping.

Dude, just quit. This is beyond dumb already.

 

[Diogenes]

Sorry Diogenes.

In a Fast Moving thread, I thought it was Better to use the reference of He/She when Unsure than run the Risk of Offending you.

It's all good.

 

[EddardinWinter]

I'm sorry, I don't mean to take this out on you, but if people are going to cite my posts, please read all of them in this thread, especially the one that states...

I am MALE!

Even if you are overly sensitive to personal attacks, I wholeheartedly agree that they should stop obfuscating your gender.

I think you have clarified it at least twice.

 

[zoiDman]

With regard to Cancer, Just Cancer, Is this pdf saying that there have Not been any Comprehensive Studies on PG?

Carcinogenic (cancer producing) Effects

Because neither ethylene glycol nor propylene glycol has undergone a comprehensive evaluation
of its carcinogenic potential, they would both be classified as Group D carcinogens, "inadequate
evidence to classify," under the old U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) cancer
guidelines and "inadequate information to assess carcinogenic potential" under the new
guidelines. However, in three rodent studies with long-term oral exposure to ethylene glycol, no
carcinogenic effects were detected. Additionally, there is no evidence from occupational
exposures that ethylene glycol is carcinogenic to humans. The one animal study conducted to
examine propylene glycol's carcinogenic potential did not find an increase in cancer.

http://des.nh.gov/organization/commissioner/pip/factsheets/ard/documents/ard-ehp-12.pdf

 

[Anjaffm]

Sorry Diogenes.

In a Fast Moving thread, I thought it was Better to use the reference of He/She when Unsure than run the Risk of Offending you.

yes yes. Diogenes most certainly is male. *very sweet smile*

 

[zoiDman]

It's all good.

Once again... Sorry for not being clear on things.

My Memory was Foggy. Probably a Long Term Side Effect of Habitual Inhalation of Food Flavorings.

 

[Recycled Roadkill]

Group hug?

 

[AegisPrime]

Once again... Sorry for not being clear on things.

My Memory was Foggy. Probably a Long Term Side Effect of Habitual Inhalation of Food Flavorings.

Or an infection from cutting yourself on a poorly-maintained flashlight.

Don't assume it's the vapour

 

[zoiDman]

BTW, every time you say "It's risky" you are saying "It's dangerous".

risk - definition of risk by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

risk (rsk)
n.
1. The possibility of suffering harm or loss; danger.

Since you are into Looking things up, Go look up the word "Possibility" and I think you might see a Distinction between "Risk" and "Dangerous".

 

[EddardinWinter]

With regard to Cancer, Just Cancer, Is this pdf saying that there have Not been any Comprehensive Studies on PG?

Carcinogenic (cancer producing) Effects

Because neither ethylene glycol nor propylene glycol has undergone a comprehensive evaluation
of its carcinogenic potential, they would both be classified as Group D carcinogens, "inadequate
evidence to classify," under the old U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) cancer
guidelines and "inadequate information to assess carcinogenic potential" under the new
guidelines. However, in three rodent studies with long-term oral exposure to ethylene glycol, no
carcinogenic effects were detected. Additionally, there is no evidence from occupational
exposures that ethylene glycol is carcinogenic to humans. The one animal study conducted to
examine propylene glycol's carcinogenic potential did not find an increase in cancer.

http://des.nh.gov/organization/commissioner/pip/factsheets/ard/documents/ard-ehp-12.pdf

Yep. I read it that way, too.

Hard to believe they said that with a straight face, is it not?

 

[zoiDman]

Or an infection from cutting yourself on a poorly-maintained flashlight.

Don't assume it's the vapour

I have sustained Quite a Bit of Blood Lose. That might be a Contributing Factor.

 

[Anjaffm]

My Memory was Foggy. Probably a Long Term Side Effect of Habitual Inhalation of Food Flavorings.

... or of not taking enough nicotine

But some researchers say efforts to stop smoking have discouraged research into the possible benefits of nicotine and related compounds in treating conditions like attention deficit disorders, an inflammatory bowel disease and a neurological condition called Tourette's syndrome.

source: Researchers Investigate (Horrors!) Nicotine's Potential Benefits - New York Times

That source is quite a good read, by the way

 

[zoiDman]

I have sustained Quite a Bit of Blood Lose. That might be a Contributing Factor.

That or it could be that My Cisco Wi-Fi Router is a Knock-Off.

And is Emitting Brain Melting Rays every time I hit Send.

 

[AegisPrime]

I have sustained Quite a Bit of Blood Lose. That might be a Contributing Factor.

Just remember: blood transfusions *may not* be safer than vaping

The risk of catching a virus from a blood transfusion is low.

HIV. All donated blood is tested for HIV. Also, other measures are used to screen possible donors. For example, donors are questioned about whether they have any signs and symptoms of HIV or HIV risk factors. Only about 1 in 2 million donations might carry HIV and transmit HIV if given to a patient.

Hepatitis B and C. The risk of having a donation that carries hepatitis B is about 1 in 200,000 to 1 in 360,000. The risk of hepatitis C is 1 in 1 million to 1 in 2 million. If you receive blood during a transfusion that contains hepatitis, you'll likely develop the virus.

Variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD). This disease is the human version of mad cow disease. It's a very rare, yet fatal brain disorder. There is a possible risk of getting vCJD from a blood transfusion, although the risk is very low. Because of this, people who may have been exposed to vCJD aren't eligible blood donors.