How would one get started in something like this? Are there any vendors that specialize in creating custom flavors?
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Dan, seriously though, you'd have to start DIYing and look here tobacco extraction for liquid. Scarf can help, other vendors and other vapers can help, but if you want the taste of burning tobacco, you're going to be on your own. That said, if you find it, you'll be the ONLY one and sitting on a possible gold mine for people that want to give up smoking but want to still be tasting, not just tobacco but, burning tobacco.
I think it also needs to be said... tasting tobacco and tasting burning tobacco is not a matter of semantics... they are different tastes
yes, but you cannot extract a reactive process.
After tobacco is burned, it is ash. The chemical process cannot be recreated, since it happens when using.
It's like decomposition. Rotten meat doesn't taste like fresh meat. It's the breakdown of the matter, the process that flavors it. Extraction is also a chemical process, so is aging, heat, light, moisture.
Milk is the best example I can think of of how different processes from a base can and will change things radically. If you didn't know how cheese was made, would you know from tasting that it began as milk?
After tobacco is burned, it is ash. The chemical process cannot be recreated, since it happens when using.
It's like decomposition. Rotten meat doesn't taste like fresh meat. It's the breakdown of the matter, the process that flavors it. Extraction is also a chemical process, so is aging, heat, light, moisture.
Milk is the best example I can think of of how different processes from a base can and will change things radically. If you didn't know how cheese was made, would you know from tasting that it began as milk?
Thank god! My broiler is out, so I was going to eat some raw chicken with the hopes that the fire was unnecessary.
I know (don't know if you were addressing what I said about extracting burned tobaccos). I was totally joking.
Well put, though.
p.s. I hadn't even seen your post when I typed the previous one about raw meat. The thought of raw meat like that (especially chicken) is so gross.
Although, raw, but cured tobacco, in eliquid is awesome.
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Got it.... no sushi for Mr Mann... lol
( yes, I know it is cooked with acid instead )
( yes, I know it is cooked with acid instead )
@ Mann: not really, just trying to boil things down (pun intended) to be succinct.
Some things we take for granted are very difficult to reproduce even in this technical age we live in. I understand the frustration of wanting something and not being able to have it.
But we have to remain flexible in life to improve our way of living.
Do I miss the exact flavor of burning tobacco? No. I have my nicotine in a comparable delivery system, and that's what I needed. One's mileage may vary.
Some things we take for granted are very difficult to reproduce even in this technical age we live in. I understand the frustration of wanting something and not being able to have it.
But we have to remain flexible in life to improve our way of living.
Do I miss the exact flavor of burning tobacco? No. I have my nicotine in a comparable delivery system, and that's what I needed. One's mileage may vary.
To me, vaping Devil Dog, London, Paris, etc is like smoking a real pipe with a real burning tobacco. As I have tried to explained here, to me, the issue is not that it is not like burning tobacco, it is about the flavor being "generic," for the lack of a better word, and one dimensional.
And unfortunately, we'll need to agree to disagree on other flavors being one dimensional. I think MrMann has outlined a few things worth looking at. I hope you do find your burning tobacco flavor... or whatever flavor best works for you.
I agree. But who said that it has to be extracted? Given enough skills, any flavor can be recreated. Rotten egg or vomit Jelly Belly, anyone?
There is also a way to capture certain very complex flavors as a smoke and then infuse those flavor into a carrier, which can be many things including a liquid. That is what separates Ferran Adrià from other chefs, well, not only that, but it is something he is known for.
I did not have raw chicken in mind when I typed that. I do not want to get into semantics again,p.s. I hadn't even seen your post when I typed the previous one about raw meat. The thought of raw meat like that (especially chicken) is so gross.
but usually, meat is not chicken. Chicken is poultry. Meat is red meat, like beef. I love steak tartare.In my opinion, it does not matter. Any flavor can be recreated. Not extracted. Recreated. Complex flavors require a lot of skills to recreate, though.
True. But I have never heard of anybody chewing pipe tobacco or cigars instead of smoking them. Maybe somebody does something like this, but it would not be relevant to what we have been discussing here. So chewing tobacco/snus aside, the flavor/taste only comes from burning.
I actually knew that... but couldn't remember what it was called after I had already posted...
Since I was just smarting off... didn't think it mattered, but I should have known better
Until an expert can come up with a good recreation of burning tobacco... your opinion doesn't count simply because you have no experience in the matter of recreating the flavor/experience. It isn't about "what you think it should be"... it is about what it is at this time.
As many here have already said... they have compared the flavor of a paticular pipe or cigar with the e-liquid that they are made from... and the flavor is there but not the burning part... I know you can't taste the flavors or the complexity, but almost all of the others have.
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