They are great, but they do tend to dribble a tad bit of juice out the bottom when sitting upright anywho..
I'm waiting on the "New Improved" batch to arrive myself to see if they cleared that up..
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They are great, but they do tend to dribble a tad bit of juice out the bottom when sitting upright anywho..
I'm waiting on the "New Improved" batch to arrive myself to see if they cleared that up..
Well, I'm an inexperienced Phoenix user. The Monkey turned me on to them a few weeks ago. I've never had them leak or ooze with the exception of one. I'd fill that one and it poured out the bottom. Not leak, pour! Tried it a few times thinking I might have messed up and got the same result each time. Didn't really investigate it as close as I normally would, but suffice it to say, it was a dud. But again, I've been using them for three weeks so your experience is probably the better picture.
My leaking issues IMO, are probably due to a few factors. When they get gunked up, I clean them. instead of chunking them.
Tearing them apart, along with multiples and multiples of blunt needle pokes, is probably not helping them maintain a good vacume.
I have so many that I keep in rotation, that I seldom need to break in a new one. I know alot of people state how great they are when switching them to a new flavor. I myself, always use 1 Phoenix=1 Flavor. Same holds true for Mini and regular Nova's. Yes, its WAY more expensive doing this, but I cannot/do not have a "All Day" vape. I am constantly swapping juices throughout the day.
Needless to say, maintenance has become a real chore. But really, its more a "labor of love" than anything else.....I have eliminated many a Vice over the years, but this one, I can LIVE with...
My leaking issues IMO, are probably due to a few factors. When they get gunked up, I clean them. instead of chunking them.
Tearing them apart, along with multiples and multiples of blunt needle pokes, is probably not helping them maintain a good vacume.
I have so many that I keep in rotation, that I seldom need to break in a new one. I know alot of people state how great they are when switching them to a new flavor. I myself, always use 1 Phoenix=1 Flavor. Same holds true for Mini and regular Nova's. Yes, its WAY more expensive doing this, but I cannot/do not have a "All Day" vape. I am constantly swapping juices throughout the day.
Needless to say, maintenance has become a real chore. But really, its more a "labor of love" than anything else.....I have eliminated many a Vice over the years, but this one, I can LIVE with...
Same here. I have 5 flavors I vape, and one Phoenix dedicated to each flavor. Every 3 or 4 fills, I tear them down and clean them. I take a corner of a tissue, and clean out the socket on my device before screwing the Phoenix back on. Usually there's only a drop in there. Not a big deal. No serious leakage, ever. I actually kinda enjoy cleaning them, when I'm sitting around, vegging out in the evening.
I'm new to the Phoenix Bottom Coil (as of three weeks ago). So I am learning all the quirks and fixes with these things like we have to do with every piece of e-cig gear. Seems I have found one quirk that is quite frustrating and I'm guessing I'm hardly the first one. Seems the syringe is damaging the inner seal on the exiting side around the fill hole. The dang needle is probably not piercing, but instead, tearing through. Of course, then there is no vacuum and the liquid pours out. This has happened on four of the first eight clearos I've tried before I finally took a whole night of my time to investigate the source. And on three of them, they never worked from the get go. I see GV's sells the replacement inner seals but are currently out of stock (which leads me to believe I am not the first one with this problem). Anyone else want to confirm my problem? Any idea if/when more replacement seals will be available? Thanks Oh, and I'm also guessing I should run a sewing needle through this hole the first time??
No disrespect intended, but you must be very careful to hit the pre-punched hole on the first attempt. I assume your doing this.
On the initial punture, yes your actually opening the hole for the first time, on the inner (tube) side, a very thin membrane.
These seals actually do a fine job of "self healing" themselves and for the most part dont cause any trouble. On refills, be very careful to insert your needle in the EXACT same hole you punctured initially.
If you still feel that its the seal, and the fill hole causing you grief, then I might suggest going down to your local CVS pharmacy and pick up a whole needle and syringe for .25 each. This needle will of course be sharp, and will provide less of a "tearing" action on the inital puncture. One word of advice if you do this...use no larger than a .22 ga needle.
Some of us who clean them regularly, have discovered that the Tubes are rather "fragile". This is a bonus in one respect that you can gently squeeze them to prime the wick and coil, but over time they develope hairline cracks, especially around the base. I discovered that 3ml syringe tubes make great "aftermarket" tubes, and are very rugged. I change all my tubes to 3ml syringe tubes, right out of the gate. I have pictures in my photo album, showing this.
So if you do wish to get some sharp needles, be sure to ask the pharmacy tech for "3ml, 21 or 22ga syringes", then wack the tubes to fit. They stand up very well to repeated tear downs and cleaning (not to mention dropping).
On the initial punture, yes your actually opening the hole for the first time, on the inner (tube) side, a very thin membrane.
These seals actually do a fine job of "self healing" themselves and for the most part dont cause any trouble. On refills, be very careful to insert your needle in the EXACT same hole you punctured initially.
If you still feel that its the seal, and the fill hole causing you grief, then I might suggest going down to your local CVS pharmacy and pick up a whole needle and syringe for .25 each. This needle will of course be sharp, and will provide less of a "tearing" action on the inital puncture. One word of advice if you do this...use no larger than a .22 ga needle.
Some of us who clean them regularly, have discovered that the Tubes are rather "fragile". This is a bonus in one respect that you can gently squeeze them to prime the wick and coil, but over time they develope hairline cracks, especially around the base. I discovered that 3ml syringe tubes make great "aftermarket" tubes, and are very rugged. I change all my tubes to 3ml syringe tubes, right out of the gate. I have pictures in my photo album, showing this.
So if you do wish to get some sharp needles, be sure to ask the pharmacy tech for "3ml, 21 or 22ga syringes", then wack the tubes to fit. They stand up very well to repeated tear downs and cleaning (not to mention dropping).
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+1 on the sewing needle. That helps a lot. The plugs have been out of stock for a long time. In a pinch you can use the mouthpiece seals and pierce them with a needle for the syringe opening. It'll be a lot tighter for the syringe but that's better than not sealing. Some folks slice em with a razor, I just leave them as is keeping the heavily tapered side facing up.
Hey Zip and Wally, thanks for the info. Yes, I'm careful Zip, but that is relative. My hand isn't as steady as it once was and my eyesight isn't either so I don't know how careful I end up being. I'm not a clod but who knows. If I had to guess, it's the Chinese QC shining through once again. Instead of leaving a "membrane" on the inner side of the seal, they're probably leaving a "wall". If it were thin enough, that syringe should pierce right through it instead of tearing it. My bet is their manufacturing process wanders a bit and leaves too much of a membrane that is far harder to pierce and subject to tearing. At close inspection, there is a small flap of material on the exit side of that fill hole. It's ripping, not piercing. Oh well. I'll try a sewing needle to start (since that is the easiest/quickest fix). If that doesn't work, I'll hit the CVS down the road and get those sharp needle syringes like Zip suggests. I need to copy your info down and file it away in the event I need it. Thanks again fellas.
They are nice little juice feeders I must say. And I don't mind the syringe fill method. There isn't a device out there that doesn't need "adjustments". Ha, I've already rebuilt two of the heads on these things. All for a $2 gadget.
There’s NOTHING out there like the BC’s IMHO as you have discovered Bronze, failed at rebuilding coils myself and don’t want to sacrifice any more so now just hoard and clean (with little success, don’t start soon enough) with bunny balls added on top. Of ALL the frogs I’ve been kissing, [looking for my vaping princesses] the BC has been the most satisfying, not enough for an exclusive relationship, even after augmentation surgery, but I’ll never kick the BC’s out of any of my collections until something comes down that satisfies me enough to give a ring and go exclusive with.
The new Eternity’s are the most beautiful thing I have ever had in my hand [never gone to Greece for that experience] and work OK but I can’t see them kicking my BC’s out even after I build cotton wicked coils for.
When you rebuilt your BC’s did you experiment with wicks Bronze?
HAY you all at GV out there: Build a BC threaded [and maybe re-coil-able at LEAST replaceable] and I’ll give it THE RING, even if it’s priced like a Greek experience. Look at all the people that will be coming over to you for a $30 Eternity that were paying over 3 times as much for the same Greek thing. And this would be NEW not a copy of a Greek thing with better wire attachment or a copy of Sucbabatdan’s work. Someone got to give out the drawings, like Billy did, so the Chinese can copy that and make the Stardust?
OK rant over, sorry for bouncing all that off you Bronze. Just kissed the new GV frog and disappointed, the BC has so much potential that they just screw around with it.
The new Eternity’s are the most beautiful thing I have ever had in my hand [never gone to Greece for that experience] and work OK but I can’t see them kicking my BC’s out even after I build cotton wicked coils for.
When you rebuilt your BC’s did you experiment with wicks Bronze?
HAY you all at GV out there: Build a BC threaded [and maybe re-coil-able at LEAST replaceable] and I’ll give it THE RING, even if it’s priced like a Greek experience. Look at all the people that will be coming over to you for a $30 Eternity that were paying over 3 times as much for the same Greek thing. And this would be NEW not a copy of a Greek thing with better wire attachment or a copy of Sucbabatdan’s work. Someone got to give out the drawings, like Billy did, so the Chinese can copy that and make the Stardust?
OK rant over, sorry for bouncing all that off you Bronze. Just kissed the new GV frog and disappointed, the BC has so much potential that they just screw around with it.
As another BC die hard you have disrupted my vape mail anticipation.
Sounds like you got an Eternity in and it did not dethrone anything. I guess I'll see what it does for me tonight. But I wasn't really expecting it to be a BC killer. Just another shiny toy.
On the cleanings I have started doing mine differently. After disassembly I rinse the head in warm water. Blow dry a bit. Dry burn thoroughly a couple times. Drop it in a shotglass, add enough PGA to cover it for an hour or so. Stand it up in the shotglass of PGA and fill a syringe with the PGA in the glass and flush the heck out of the coil area a few times. Remove. Blow dry a bit and do one more dry burn and they are almost as good as new ready to be reassembled. I was just doing the first dry burn before and they were OK but nowhere near as good as this whole procedure. The syringe flush really gets the excess debris off the coils. Works for me.
Sounds like you got an Eternity in and it did not dethrone anything. I guess I'll see what it does for me tonight. But I wasn't really expecting it to be a BC killer. Just another shiny toy.
On the cleanings I have started doing mine differently. After disassembly I rinse the head in warm water. Blow dry a bit. Dry burn thoroughly a couple times. Drop it in a shotglass, add enough PGA to cover it for an hour or so. Stand it up in the shotglass of PGA and fill a syringe with the PGA in the glass and flush the heck out of the coil area a few times. Remove. Blow dry a bit and do one more dry burn and they are almost as good as new ready to be reassembled. I was just doing the first dry burn before and they were OK but nowhere near as good as this whole procedure. The syringe flush really gets the excess debris off the coils. Works for me.
Wally. you scrub the heck out of those things. I'm just disassembling, rinsing thoroughly with warm water, then dry burning. That's it. Maybe after I get more miles on them I'll have to do what you're doing.
kw, I just rebuilt the Phoenix BC head for grins. I mean, for a $2 gadget it's hardly worth it. But what the heck. It wasn't particularly any harder than rebuilding any other head...just a tad smaller which is never fun. But I'm vaping off a rebuilt head now and it's working fine. I think it was six wraps and it's putting out 2.0 ohms. Good enough.
kw, I just rebuilt the Phoenix BC head for grins. I mean, for a $2 gadget it's hardly worth it. But what the heck. It wasn't particularly any harder than rebuilding any other head...just a tad smaller which is never fun. But I'm vaping off a rebuilt head now and it's working fine. I think it was six wraps and it's putting out 2.0 ohms. Good enough.
I agree that there are some inconsistencies in the pre-punched starter hole and some have a thicker push through than others. So far I haven’t destroyed any yet on my initial punch through, but I can see how it can happen.
These are by far the best thing I’ve used. I usually get a month or more out of them with cleaning and dry burning. For that price it’s a real bargain!
I just ordered 10 more of the old style, and will order some of the new and improved ones when they come in to see if they really are improved, but even as-is without improvements this will continue to be my go-to device.
Gotta agree Har. They are nifty little clearos. I also use Vivi Novas and Kanger T2's and M3's. I like them all. They all have their pluses and minuses and it's nice to switch up. But these little PBC's are a mainstay with me too. Just got to get the quirks out of them.
Only 5 of the old ones left in stock. I really want to wait for the new version, but that makes me nervous.
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