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[mitro]

Both wires do need to be installed or you will short.

I'm not quite sure I'm following what you're saying. Scratch that. I'm positive I'm NOT following it.

There shouldn't be any significant difference either way.

Something I failed to consider when wrapping my 32 over 24 is that the ID of the clapton coil is smaller than the diameter of core wire. So if I'm using a 3.1mm rod, the diameter of the 24ga core is more like 3.5mm since 32ga is 0.2mm thick (x2). That's a considerable difference and I think I'll end up dropping a wrap to compensate. I'll probably try with a 2.4mm ID as well.

 

[SpaceCase]

if both wires are not part of the circuit then there can be problems I think is all he's saying.

 

[grover868]

I just want to say that even though I have not read all 121 pages yet of this thread, I have gotten so many wonderful tips & suggestions. That's all...now back to page 57

 

[mitro]

Well, I already posted this one but a 3mm coil in a Cyclone is certainly a tight fit.

I bet that top cap gets mighty toasty.

 

[distortoblotto]

I bet that top cap gets mighty toasty.

That build is @ .55 and I left the legs long enough to push it over and center it. Actually, the heat is really not that bad at all unless you chain vape it fairly hard. But then that's with running with the AFC wide open. Throttling down a bit can change things in a hurry.

 

[Soignee]

I'm not quite sure I'm following what you're saying. Scratch that. I'm positive I'm NOT following it.

There shouldn't be any significant difference either way.

Something I failed to consider when wrapping my 32 over 24 is that the ID of the clapton coil is smaller than the diameter of core wire. So if I'm using a 3.1mm rod, the diameter of the 24ga core is more like 3.5mm since 32ga is 0.2mm thick (x2). That's a considerable difference and I think I'll end up dropping a wrap to compensate. I'll probably try with a 2.4mm ID as well.

if both wires are not part of the circuit then there can be problems I think is all he's saying.

What SpaceCase said, both wire have to complete the circuit...
Maybe I read that first post incorrectly. I thought Distorto was asking if the outer coil wire was stripped off before going into the post holes...

 

[distortoblotto]

What SpaceCase said, both wire have to complete the circuit...
Maybe I read that first post incorrectly. I thought Distorto was asking if the outer coil wire was stripped off before going into the post holes...

You had it right....

With a good tight wrap it shouldn't matter No? as both pieces become one or am I missing something here?

 

[SpaceCase]

not exactly no, unless it's actually grounded to the post, there is a good chance that thermal expansion will cause problems down the line.

 

[distortoblotto]

not exactly no, unless it's actually grounded to the post, there is a good chance that thermal expansion will cause problems down the line.

Thanks SC, I got you now as the degree of expansion can very depending on the variance of temperature. Doh! I should of known or at the very least remembered this!

More coffee!

 

[SpaceCase]

My partial degree in engineering to the rescue!
lol

 

[Soignee]

You had it right....

With a good tight wrap it shouldn't matter No? as both pieces become one or am I missing something here?

I'm gonna spend some time finding the Clapton coil thread again, but when I first perused it I recall reading something about both wires need to complete the circuit.


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[distortoblotto]

My partial degree in engineering to the rescue!
lol

I am an engineer which makes it all the more embarrassing....

 

[SpaceCase]

it's one of those things where in theory you're splitting the wire regardless, you're giving it a path when it's touching against it, but to use the entire coil, all the time, it definatly needs to be grounded, otherwise it might short halfway through the wire, and then you're using only half of the wrapping wire (or a quarter or whatever)

 

[mitro]

I'm still going to disagree but will experiment. The outer wire will no more short the coil than a typical contact coil does when the wraps are touching. Electricity takes the path of least resistance. The oxidized layer on the outside of the Kanthal keeps the electrons pretty much flowing down the pipe. The outer wraps do so little work that even if not connected electrically, it should not be noticeable. Its essentially a heatsink for the core.

As for expansion, if that were an issue it would be an issue regardless. There's always room for expansion because the wire is springy and is never completely tight.

Here's something im working on.

 

[distortoblotto]

I'm still going to disagree but will experiment. The outer wire will no more short the coil than a typical contact coil does when the wraps are touching. Electricity takes the path of least resistance. The oxidized layer on the outside of the Kanthal keeps the electrons pretty much flowing down the pipe. The outer wraps do so little work that even if not connected electrically, it should not be noticeable. Its essentially a heatsink for the core.

As for expansion, if that were an issue it would be an issue regardless. There's always room for expansion because the wire is springy and is never completely tight.

Here's something im working on.

Oh! A twisted Clapton! Now that sir, is simply Ba'dassed!

 

[mitro]

We'll see. I have such a hard time getting good macro shots. It's 32 over triple twisted 28.

 

[Soignee]

I'm on my phone about to head into work so I hope this link works.
[quote name="mrdee3" post=12132390
if not search The Clapton Coil in the coil sub. About post 22 begins discussion about the wires and grounding. Pdib cracks me up...


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[distortoblotto]

I'm on my phone about to head into work so I hope this link works.
[quote name="mrdee3" post=12132390
if not search The Clapton Coil in the coil sub. About post 22 begins discussion about the wires and grounding. Pdib cracks me up...


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Thank you my brother as I got the answer as to what I was originally thinking and while it does make complete sense now after some further thought and would allow you to use a thicker core in the smaller posts without the Clapton wraps getting in the way, I still can't help but to think that SpaceCases's theory about thermal expansion may also be correct in that it could be a cause of uneven heating down the road without all ends making contact to the posts.

Always great to shake out the cobwebs and re expand the mind a bit however, it is a bit of a moot point as I really don't have any plans to strip the Clapton wraps off the legs of the coils when they are working just grand with out doing so anyway.

 

[JoppaRoadCruiser]

Mitro...killer work on that. Lookin nice!

 

[distortoblotto]

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