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The Phidias--now with feedimus

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  1. fonosmoak

    fonosmoak Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Regards,

    Sure, I was dragged kicking and screaming into the feed game...

    I didn't wish to enable sloth---then I tried it.

    Now I'm totally hooked on the concept...

    I made some changes, tried to address the weakest points...

    The Phidias has an oversize, flush, exotic wood plunger that's fully supported through its entire travel--courtesy of being "let in" to both sides the Phidias' cover with center partition, no rattle, nothing to catch on your pocket, no egging out of the cover etc.

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    I so did not like the idea of brass and juice in contact of every feed, enough said.

    The reason of course is the existing systems bottom feed and the juice just leaks out of the atty's air vents...and you need a bucket to catch it till you suck it up.


    I'm not here to dis- but these are the things that held me back from following the herd.

    Another issue is the long tube to the very bottom of the bottle to suck up the last 1/4 of the juice.

    this is just silly

    air is pulled back into this tube as you release pressure and you end up with a column of air in the long tube which just moves up and down and--nothing-happens...

    you're dry humping

    So, the Phidias feed system is employed upside down--the tube stops at the cap, the juice does not leak out of the air vents but feeds the wick...the air is still there when you release, but the tube is short enough that you can pump every last drop out of your bottle.

    O' yeah, the feed tube is surgical stainless steel...

    Anyway---here it is...

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    thanks for reading
    Best Regards
    fo

    PS. another happy thing is that you can prime your atty before you screw it on by pushing the plunger and watching the drops of juice drip---a quick mental note of how long it takes to get three drops allows you to gage the time needed for any viscosity of juice--pretty nice. I settled on 18 gage stainless as it delivers four drops per extended press and that seems eliminate any chance of flooding...regards
     
  2. MXBNW

    MXBNW ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 15, 2010
    NW Washingtion
    This is killing me well next month......
     
  3. FreeFlow

    FreeFlow Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 25, 2010
    London, Ontario Canada
    I'm torn between this and another bottom feeder mod. This is so beautiful.. and I didn't even realize Phidias was referring to the divine equation until yesterday when I saw some video. The only thing holding me back is having to turn it upside down.. i guess that's not really a big deal.. i have to hold my ego upside down to drip so i don't know what my problem is.

    Still considering.
     
  4. Drewsworld

    Drewsworld Resting In Peace

    Mar 14, 2009
    New Jersey
    The upside down option allows you to use every last drop in the bottle...Im not trashing any others...I sell the Wet Box and have collaborated with Missy, Fono and others on this bottom feeder, and this is the way to go...
    Drew
     
  5. harpo

    harpo Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 19, 2009
    Yuba City, California
    Drew will there be a 6ml bottle option?
     
  6. piratecaptainbob

    piratecaptainbob Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 5, 2010
    north carolina
    these things look great fono, my first phidias is probably my favorite mod. im awaiting the quartersawn wendge in the mail now, i might get the maple/quartersawn also. any ideas on a replacement back that acts as a passthrough? although that would require some more holes cut and electrical connections. just a thought.
     
  7. FlyerTom

    FlyerTom Super Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 21, 2009
    Nor'Eastern PA
    Are you guys saying that eliminating the tube inside the bottle will prevent the juice from leaking out of the atty vents? I've made a bottom feed-type mod that has this leakage problem when squeezing the bottle, and it would be a good thing if removing the pickup tube was the answer for this. What say youse guys?
     
  8. Drewsworld

    Drewsworld Resting In Peace

    Mar 14, 2009
    New Jersey
    Hey Tom,
    Thats definately part of the solution...The other is having a more accurate delivery of liquid absent of the air coloumn(bubbles) that presents guess work on the actual amount of liquid that is reaching the atomizer...Thanks
    Drew
     
  9. fonosmoak

    fonosmoak Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Regards piratecaptinbob,

    Thanks for the kind words, I to have a quarter-sawn Wenge with Purple Heart inlays as one of my personal favorites, nice choice!

    I've concentrated exclusively on my wood work and recreation for the last thirty fives years and consequently have little experience with building electrical circuits.

    You might be interested to know I'm sending off a Phidias to Nuck of Fist-pack fame for his talented assessment of the electrical possibilities with an eye to the future.

    so yeah, maybe yes to all your questions, time will tell?

    The PVs just get better and better, I'm so happy to be a part of it....

    Best Regards
    fo
     
  10. fonosmoak

    fonosmoak Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran


    Hi FlyerTom,

    The trick is to match the size and length of your feed tube to the pressure your system produces to get the results you are looking for...


    I settled on an 18 gage to the cap length only tube, after testing each option out there.

    An extended (absent minded) press delivered just four full drops of juice...

    And that seems to have really solved the "over-juiced" problem.

    Hope that helps
    Best Regards
    fo
     
  11. FlyerTom

    FlyerTom Super Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 21, 2009
    Nor'Eastern PA
    Yo hey Drew & fo~
    Thanks for the replies. I removed the tube inside the bottle of my homie-mod, and it definitely stopped the atomizer bleeding-when-squeezing. Turning the PV upside down will be have to be part of the process, I guess. I used Ø-1/16" tubing with an I.D. of .038" - a tad bigger (.005") than 18 gauge needles. I'll try the drop-drip test with the atty removed when I get home later today. Munchest grassiest.
     
  12. Drewsworld

    Drewsworld Resting In Peace

    Mar 14, 2009
    New Jersey
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