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New pictures came up. I am changing my harmonica to tv remote. If this thing can control my tv I might reconsider. Nothing like changing the channels and vaping at the same time.

Odd that you would say that. I once was aiming my remote at the TV, furiously working the CHANNEL UP button to no avail. Naturally, the "remote" turned out to be my black Silver Bullet.

I'd claim it to be one of those serendipitous, accidental stumblings onto invention if I didn't know it to be oncoming dimentia.
 

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New pictures came up. I am changing my harmonica to tv remote. If this thing can control my tv I might reconsider. Nothing like changing the channels and vaping at the same time.

Those new pics don't help much.. all that realestate for an LCD that you set and forget... something that size without a juice delivery system is a waste... Even if they put it in a nicer package, end of day it doesn't do anything that any of the other mods we've been discussing do... Constant power is the same thing as constant voltage on a constant resistance...

I was looking at some of the micro chips for controlling PWM - definitely some interesting stuff out there to play with. Most of these chips are comming in at/less than 5mmx5mm squares - there's just no reason for it to be so big...

Lets see what the Eclipse (formerly 3DFS) looks like - at least they have a pump and it takes good old fashioned 18650's....
 

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Those new pics don't help much.. all that realestate for an LCD that you set and forget... something that size without a juice delivery system is a waste... Even if they put it in a nicer package, end of day it doesn't do anything that any of the other mods we've been discussing do... Constant power is the same thing as constant voltage on a constant resistance...

I was looking at some of the micro chips for controlling PWM - definitely some interesting stuff out there to play with. Most of these chips are comming in at/less than 5mmx5mm squares - there's just no reason for it to be so big...

Lets see what the Eclipse (formerly 3DFS) looks like - at least they have a pump and it takes good old fashioned 18650's....

The last of the new wave of VV's. Hopefully something worth the asking price.
 

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A VV mod that actually looks great, wow, what a concept... :)

NotCigs's Infinity VV promises to be pretty damn nice looking:
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It's the slender chrome model above the gold Buzz; note the thumbwheel voltage adjustement.
 

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NotCigs's Infinity VV promises to be pretty damn nice looking:
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It's the slender chrome model above the gold Buzz; note the thumbwheel voltage adjustement.

My issue with it is twofold-
1) Its running on stacked 15mm batteries- they just don't have the capacity to make it more than a few hrs.
2) it's a linear regulator - linear regulators consume as much as 40% of the power
3) the thumb wheel- two easy to turn it by accident/no indication of the voltage setting

Even Steve admitted, it's nothing more than a Buzz in a nicer/smaller package... and you don't need a screw driver to adjust it....
Doesn't come close to the Precious V2 from an electronics perspective....
 

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Doesn't come close to the Precious V2 from an electronics perspective....

Now that I agree with--I just don't necessarily consider it a drawback. No software, no computer interface, no degree in computer science required for operation.

Remember, guys, in the end, all we're trying to do is heat a little PG & flavoring. The gee whiz factor with a PV containing more computing power than used in Apollo 11 is impressive--a huge novelty--but becomes an absurdity at some point, and raises more uncertainties than whether a thumbwheel setting will stay put in your pocket or not.
 

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Now that I agree with--I just don't necessarily consider it a drawback. No software, no computer interface, no degree in computer science required for operation.

Remember, guys, in the end, all we're trying to do is heat a little PG & flavoring. The gee whiz factor with a PV containing more computing power than used in Apollo 11 is impressive--a huge novelty--but becomes an absurdity at some point, and raises more uncertainties than whether a thumbwheel setting will stay put in your pocket or not.

People always fear what they don't understand- its the lack of understanding that raises uncertainties- about 100 years ago the same argument was used against AC current by the guys who had DC infrastructure....

These are not very complex circuits at all- they are the core components of any/every well designed power supply. Unless you're the Unibomber (in wich case you wouldn't be here) you have similar circuits all over your house- they are in your computer, kitchen electronics, in portable electronics, and in your car -they are used for the sole purpose of supplying a specific voltage. I gave you a very simple explaination of the differences between a linnear reglator and a switching reglator- no technical terms...it doesn't require an engineering degree. Switching regulators operate with 80-95%+ efficience- Linnear regulators operate closer to 60% and sometimes less. Switching regulators generate pulses where linear regulators deliver constant voltage....

Its not absurd to pursue better safety, more power efficient circuitry, a more consistant vaping experience or even a different paradigm (setting wattage instead of voltage). That's why we're all here... we're not talking about adding an mp3 player or opening the garage door with a PV...

Now I'm going to get techcnical on you- there's a term called FUD - it stands for "Fear Uncertainty and Doub"t- its a sales tactic used in the software and electronics industries to steer you away from a new product offering... They guy with the simple/basic solution says something nice about the competitor by suggesting that the newer/more advanced product is is complex, or has too many unknowns, or is too new thereby casting doubt on it. Your argument about simpler/less electronics is better is FUD.

You don't need a degree in computer engineering or electronics to adjust these devices either. For someone that doesn't have an 8th grade education, perhaps it will be a challenge-

If you love your buzz then this will probably be a nice upgrade to it- more portable and nicer on the eyes- but you'll have shorter battery life and the dial will move when you don't want it to.... But you can't compare it to the L2 because it doesn't come close electronically. You have a valid point that there is a limit or point of diminishing returns but I don't see it yet...
 

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I don't have a problem with mode of voltage regulation--Linear vs. switching isn't an unknown to me, and I have no fear of it, actually. Where this one spirals into out of control into complexity for the sheer sake of it is when you find yourself plugging Dsub connectors into your PC and booting up the software. It isn't FUD, it's KISS--at least to the degree that means to an end don't become an ends unto themselves.
 

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I don't have a problem with mode of voltage regulation--Linear vs. switching isn't an unknown to me, and I have no fear of it, actually. Where this one spirals into out of control into complexity for the sheer sake of it is when you find yourself plugging Dsub connectors into your PC and booting up the software. It isn't FUD, it's KISS--at least to the degree that means to an end don't become an ends unto themselves.

Not sure if there's a particular device that you're complaining about or making a general statement. The Precious didn't force you to use the mini USB connector, it was just an option to get at the advanced settings.. I think it was a good idea and I'd rather see that than have to live with someone else's decision on some of these parameters ( like how long before the device shuts off)....... All I'm saying is, i don't think we're at the point yet were there are alot of useless features yet...
 

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Now that I agree with--I just don't necessarily consider it a drawback. No software, no computer interface, no degree in computer science required for operation.

Remember, guys, in the end, all we're trying to do is heat a little PG & flavoring. The gee whiz factor with a PV containing more computing power than used in Apollo 11 is impressive--a huge novelty--but becomes an absurdity at some point, and raises more uncertainties than whether a thumbwheel setting will stay put in your pocket or not.

Kinda reminds us of the Space Pen urban lengend, doesn't it ? :p
 
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