The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

[passerbyeus]

by the looks of MaddCatt Vapors juice I just do not see anything that would be different from any other vendor.... I am so tired of getting RY4s that have the same tobacco base.....its like asking the same girl on a date knowing she will say no everytime ..total let down hahaha

 

[thehangdude]

Damn, I wanted a picture of Aphrodite on a bottle.

I'm going to look into them soon though.

Sorry, no scantily clad woman.

RY4 on left is red, DH RY4 on right is light hay color.

 

[ogredog]

Cool hang..and thanks...I like richer, sweeter Asian/Chinese ry4s but my preference is more American customs either desserty. Or smokier. I'm also glad u described a tinny ness lol See Bill I'm not alone in that!

 

[ogredog]

Well k, mt. O has an Aphrodite flavor....and so does Poseidon vaping I don't know if Aphrodite is on that bottle....

Passer....I know what your saying, I do....but the price is right. If i remember there's a sale on $10 bucks for 30mls....so its not a bad gamble if you need juice and end up with the same thing....but if you find a good ry4 you at least win our applause lol

 

[Cool_Breeze]

Perhaps we might expand the thread to include more aspects of DIY. New pre-mixed RY4 flavor concentrates are appearing in the marketplace (I now have twelve of them), and some of us do try to concoct our own DIY RY4s from scratch---not that I've ever had much success with that personally. Anyway, there might be some fresh blood in that arena. Just a thought, you know? Running it up the flagpole to see who salutes...

I think the notion of exploring DIY RY4s, via either RY4 concentrates or from scratch may be a good idea. Certainly we could share a lot of experiences here. Then again, it could be like hearding cats.

 

[ogredog]

Well as far as the thread expanding I come here for two things. Ok 3.

1. For the people who enjoy this flavor. I can chat, or I know I can find you guys if I want to pm you!

2. For the info gleaned-whether its daily or not whether there are lots of new posts or not. I catch tidbits of info, and ry4 news, a sleeper juice maybe,or hear about a new vendor-here.

3. To talk crap lol

Its your thing Bill, but there's plenty of DIY threads and only one ry4 roundup thread. I was away from ecf for a long time because of work and personal issues but I never forgot this thread and found it when I came back.( It wasn't like I was constantly thinking about it or anything like that lol It was always just a great thread)

Bill was crazy doing all those reviews btw, its cool getting free juice and fun to try but I know it is a lot of work for you. Always a great job with ever new novel lol. I bet the whole encyclopedia brittanica has less words than one of your reviews lol ahhhh I'm just kidding

My first post is #20 just a few after passerbyeus. So for what its worth I hope it doesn't change but if it does ill still check it out. I don't think there is a void here though, its about ry4 there are so many new vendors daily just check out the suppliers forums and find them and try them people.

I just wish there was some co-oping here or passing some juice from member to member for everyone to try then we could all discuss it, save money (if we dont like it lol) and post and liven this thing up maybe.

Now look who the long winded one is lol

 

[billherbst]

I mixed a 10ml bottle of Ruyan 4 using the following recipe:

0.4mls of Ruyan 4 flavoring (4%)
6.5mls of 36mg nic liquid in a VG base
3.1mls of PG

specs: The resulting liquid is a 35/65 PG/VG blend at 24mg nic strength. Juice color is a golden amber. I let the mixed liquid steep for a week. Testing was done using a Boge 2.2 ohm LR carto powered by a Vector VV (Vtube 1.5t) set to 4.3 volts, producing 8.4 watts.

Tobacco Express Ruyan 4 is one of the new super-concentrated Chinese flavorings now carried by EcigExpress. Recommended mix ratio with these super-concentrates is only 2.0–5.0%, so a 10ml bottle of concentrate will make at least 200mls of diy mixed juice (and perhaps even 400-500mls). Cost is only $3.99/10ml bottle, so we're talking about a lot of very inexpensive ejuice here. Tobacco Express also offers a flavoring called “RY4,” which is a sweeter, more candy-toned or dessert RY4.

Ruyan 4 is a straight tobacco-caramel-vanilla blend. No nuts or other flavors that I can discern. Unlike most Chinese RY4s, balance was tossed right out the window for this DIY concentrate, as was unity of the overall flavor so characteristic of classic RY4s. The uneven flavor profile of Ruyan 4 is dominated by a synthetic tobacco, which is generic but quite tasty. It’s less bright than I expect in a typical Chinese RY4, but has more depth and carries a potent punch at 24mg nic. It's not overly smooth and carries an edge of roughness, which I like.

Caramel comes next and is distinct on both inhale and exhale. This caramel is not candy-like at all and is neither rich nor sweet. Instead, it has depth and lovely dark body.

Now for the problem: Vanilla. While the dark caramel walks contentedly alongside the strong tobacco, vanilla merely brings up the rear, like a very young child being pulled in a little red wagon behind his tobacco dad and caramel mom. The vanilla is almost an afterthought. As a flavor, it's almost undetectable in the mix. To the extent that I can perceive its presence, this is a very light vanilla that may have been intended to provide a counterbalancing airy uplift to the deeper tobacco and darker caramel. If that was the intention, however, the plan failed. To be a real RY4, this juice needs more vanilla. That said, it still tastes good.

As formulated, Ruyan 4 is definitely not the killer RY4 of all time, but it remains very vapable nonetheless. Closer to a caramel-tobacco blend than a true RY4, this diy juice should please tobacco lovers. With a little added vanilla, Ruyan 4 might just make RY4 lovers happy, too.

As with all diy juices, flavor intensity, throat hit, and vapor production are largely user-controllable, depending on the percentage of flavor concentrate, strength of liquid nic, and PG/VG base. My particular bottle is amply flavorful (4% concentrate), has substantial throat hit (24mg nic), and produces plumes of vapor (35/65 PG/VG base blend).

My closing comment is that I like Ruyan 4 more as I vape it longer. It's curiously satisfying, despite the lack of balance. This juice could grow on me. Both the tobacco and caramel are particularly good. Compared to the ten-or-so other RY4 diy flavorings I've tried, this mix easily holds it own and is significantly better than most, in my personal opinion. I think I'll leave this batch as-is and whip up another 10ml bottle to which I'll add a little extra vanilla. Later, I'll post a follow-up on the thread to report how that works out after a week or so of steeping.

Tobacco Express Ruyan 4 diy flavoring - Grade: a nice, solid B.

Link to purchase: http://www.ecigexpress.com/flavorse...c-16_96_98/tobacco-express-ruyan4-10ml-p-1532

 

[Jim Bob]

LOL @ "herding cats"

 

[On Target]

Well, I do not have my BWB order of Dulce De Leche or Backo yet but I do have a bottle of BWB Hunters Blend that I tried mixing with BWB Vanilla Bean this morning. I must say, this combo is GOOD. Not sure of the percentages as I just topped off a Boge Carto that was about half full of Vanilla Bean with the Hunters Blend and then put a couple more drops of Vanilla Bean on top of that. I would guess probably in the neighborhood of 60% vanilla bean. Nic strength is 18mg and at 4 volts with the SR Boge on my Provari, it is definitely my sweet spot. So far so good, might be onto a RY4 substitute until Don re-creates his masterpiece? Adding the Dulce de Leche may just do it!

 

[ogredog]

On target I'm sure if it was that ez to create or recreate the famed bwb ry4 Don would have done that, most likely he wants to make something. Just as unique as b4 at least I would hope so. I'm not saying you couldn't make a great one doing that in fact it could be incredible to your liking but he has a rep to maintain lol I'm sure he will come out with another good one and everyone is gonna say its not as good as the old one blah blah.....but what if its even better! Ya never know!

 

[passerbyeus]

I feel the same way about Alien Visions if they dont make a better RY4 than RAF I will not be a happy vapor at all and i dont care if they have to pull it out of Darths .... it better be good hahahaha

 

[On Target]

On target I'm sure if it was that ez to create or recreate the famed bwb ry4 Don would have done that, most likely he wants to make something. Just as unique as b4 at least I would hope so. I'm not saying you couldn't make a great one doing that in fact it could be incredible to your liking but he has a rep to maintain lol I'm sure he will come out with another good one and everyone is gonna say its not as good as the old one blah blah.....but what if its even better! Ya never know!

I agree with you 100%. I know Don would already have an RY4 replacement if it were as easy as just taking 3 existing juices and mixing them. The original RY4 is so unique, I am just trying to come up with a replacement that suits my palate until he has created a new one. No doubt he wants it to be perfect given the precendent already set. I am liking this Vanilla Bean / Hunters Blend mixture so well that I have not had to get my BWB RY4 fix all day. And that is no small feat for me as it has been in my daily RY4 rotation for quite some time now. At least now I have something for a substitute that can prolong what little I do have left. And, no doubt you are right, people will always compare Don's new RY4 to the old - some like better, some not. I bet that I for one will be a fan of whatever his replacement is!

 

[Roxxette]

More info (with revelations) about Highbrow RY4.

I received an email from Bryan at HighbrowVapor clarifying the Highbrowbacco RY4 ingredient questions. Because it was a personal email, I won't share the entire content, just the relevant parts that I feel are appropriate for public consumption.

Turns out that the cocoa flavoring Highbrow uses---which is exclusive to their RY4---is a proprietary extract from a homemade cocoa liqueur. Aha! How cool is that? Seems my palate wasn't so far off after all. In fact, I was right both times, first on my own and then with the help of Highbrow's RY4 page description. The flavor is cocoa, it is liqueur , and the two tastes (which are really a single flavoring ingredient) are quite subtle and unique.

In addition, Highbrow's tobacco blend juices are listed the way they are on the ingredients page because of certain obscure and unresolved legal issues involving tobacco extracts and flavorings. I presume this has to do with the FDA and the gray area of tobacco as a regulated nicotine source, but it's nice to know the skinny on that one.

Wow. So much remains hidden from view in the world, whether intentionally or not, that it's very satisfying in those rare instances when we get answers to certain questions about reality, especially when the confirmation is straight from the horse's mouth. That's happened before in this thread, with the history of the whole "original" Janty RY4 and "lost" Dekang RY4, and it pleases me immensely.

Thanks so much, Bryan! I can vape Highbrow RY4 even more happily now. Also, knowing how special that extra ingredient is inclines toward my praising Highbrow for their creativity rather than docking them for pushing the flavor envelope. I don't have to remove Highbrow RY4 from the Liqueur category, and my high ranking is of less concern, since my respect for the careful craftsmanship that went into creating this distinctive RY4 is even more than before.

Been vaping these ry4 most of they day, i got on the classifieds along with other liquids and wow i was waiting to be at home to search these thread looking for these exact post/words ! at first i though these liquid had a little ginseng but it was impossible ? a ry4 with ginseng nah then i though that maybe the heat from transportation plus the fact that it was waiting for me more than a week to be picked here aaaaand its a bottle born on march maybe it was funny but after reading these i totally got it.

Thank you again mister Bill !

 

[chestertonic]

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[passerbyeus]

yes may we help you

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[thehangdude]

It is common for a vendor to make two versions of RY4. Usually these are similar in some aspect. Mount Olympus created two that have very little in common.

RY4 has an earthy (not dirty) tobacco base, similar to Spring Vapors' Black Label line. It has a rich caramel and sharp vanilla. All three flavors are very much there. They compete with each other rather than blend together. It is a strong flavor that leans to the dark side of RY4s.

There is little sweetness in MtO's RY4. The sweetness it has comes from the caramel and vanilla. The strong tobacco is all that keeps it from being a dessert blend. It is a very good classic American blend.

Double Happy RY4 has no grit in its tobacco. The tin-like tobacco is strong and clean. It has a bright vanilla and a touch of light caramel. There is also a strong sweetener. This is a good Chinese copy. About time we stole some of their intellectual property.

Where RY4 is like a caramel dessert tobacco, Double Happy RY4 is like an RY4 Koolaid. DH RY4 blends its sugar sweetness with a bit of sour, creating a very good Chinese-type Ry4.

I like both versions of Mt Olympus RY4. Both use tobacco as the main flavor, complimenting it with caramel and vanilla. That is what I like in my RY4. Neither has any odd, non-RY4 flavorings.

Would I buy these? Probably not, but only because I have more ejuice than I could ever vape. I have my favorites, and neither of these are quite good enough (to me) to knock off my regulars.

 

[passerbyeus]

if its earthy and not dirty would it be treey or grassy or flowery or oceany or lakey or volcanoy...etc? hahahaha what I mean is Tin-like? from the wizard of oz.... tin? and one more question sorry I just have to know does the Double Happy RY4 come with a Double Happy ending dang it never mind I see you say you may not get it again.....I like some Chinese RY4s is it in the Janty range or maybe its like RAF o please tell me its like RAF

 

[thehangdude]

if its earthy and not dirty would it be treey or grassy or flowery or oceany or lakey or volcanoy...etc? hahahaha what I mean is Tin-like? from the wizard of oz.... tin? and one more question sorry I just have to know does the Double Happy RY4 come with a Double Happy ending dang it never mind I see you say you may not get it again.....I like some Chinese RY4s is it in the Janty range or maybe its like RAF o please tell me its like RAF

Earthy is more of a grit factor, more peanut shell than peanut. More like a real leaf than the synthetic flavor.

As for tin-like, imagine licking a tin shed. That is the flavor I get from that tobacco. Totally synthetic. I never understood how that became a "tobacco" flavor, but I have accepted it as such. I even have grown to like it a bit.

Finally, I am not into Chinese classic RY4s. Bill will have to answer your final question. He should get his care package with these and more flavors by Monday, Tuesday at the latest. I have avoided Janty and RAF because they lean to the oriental side of the scale.

 

[sandybeach]

I mixed a 10ml bottle of Ruyan 4 using the following recipe:

0.4mls of Ruyan 4 flavoring (4%)
6.5mls of 36mg nic liquid in a VG base
3.1mls of PG

specs: The resulting liquid is a 35/65 PG/VG blend at 24mg nic strength. Juice color is a golden amber. I let the mixed liquid steep for a week. Testing was done using a Boge 2.2 ohm LR carto powered by a Vector VV (Vtube 1.5t) set to 4.3 volts, producing 8.4 watts.

Tobacco Express Ruyan 4 is one of the new super-concentrated Chinese flavorings now carried by EcigExpress. Recommended mix ratio with these super-concentrates is only 2.0–5.0%, so a 10ml bottle of concentrate will make at least 200mls of diy mixed juice (and perhaps even 400-500mls). Cost is only $3.99/10ml bottle, so we're talking about a lot of very inexpensive ejuice here. Tobacco Express also offers a flavoring called “RY4,” which is a sweeter, more candy-toned or dessert RY4.

Ruyan 4 is a straight tobacco-caramel-vanilla blend. No nuts or other flavors that I can discern. Unlike most Chinese RY4s, balance was tossed right out the window for this DIY concentrate, as was unity of the overall flavor so characteristic of classic RY4s. The uneven flavor profile of Ruyan 4 is dominated by a synthetic tobacco, which is generic but quite tasty. It’s less bright than I expect in a typical Chinese RY4, but has more depth and carries a potent punch at 24mg nic. It's not overly smooth and carries an edge of roughness, which I like.

Caramel comes next and is distinct on both inhale and exhale. This caramel is not candy-like at all and is neither rich nor sweet. Instead, it has depth and lovely dark body.

Now for the problem: Vanilla. While the dark caramel walks contentedly alongside the strong tobacco, vanilla merely brings up the rear, like a very young child being pulled in a little red wagon behind his tobacco dad and caramel mom. The vanilla is almost an afterthought. As a flavor, it's almost undetectable in the mix. To the extent that I can perceive its presence, this is a very light vanilla that may have been intended to provide a counterbalancing airy uplift to the deeper tobacco and darker caramel. If that was the intention, however, the plan failed. To be a real RY4, this juice needs more vanilla. That said, it still tastes good.

As formulated, Ruyan 4 is definitely not the killer RY4 of all time, but it remains very vapable nonetheless. Closer to a caramel-tobacco blend than a true RY4, this diy juice should please tobacco lovers. With a little added vanilla, Ruyan 4 might just make RY4 lovers happy, too.

As with all diy juices, flavor intensity, throat hit, and vapor production are largely user-controllable, depending on the percentage of flavor concentrate, strength of liquid nic, and PG/VG base. My particular bottle is amply flavorful (4% concentrate), has substantial throat hit (24mg nic), and produces plumes of vapor (35/65 PG/VG base blend).

My closing comment is that I like Ruyan 4 more as I vape it longer. It's curiously satisfying, despite the lack of balance. This juice could grow on me. Both the tobacco and caramel are particularly good. Compared to the ten-or-so other RY4 diy flavorings I've tried, this mix easily holds it own and is significantly better than most, in my personal opinion. I think I'll leave this batch as-is and whip up another 10ml bottle to which I'll add a little extra vanilla. Later, I'll post a follow-up on the thread to report how that works out after a week or so of steeping.

Tobacco Express Ruyan 4 diy flavoring - Grade: a nice, solid B.

Link to purchase: http://www.ecigexpress.com/flavorse...c-16_96_98/tobacco-express-ruyan4-10ml-p-1532

When I spoke to a certain vendor about their blend of a certain juice, they told me that they have to use 4-6 different vanillas to get the blend correct.

 

[sandybeach]

I mixed a 10ml bottle of Ruyan 4 using the following recipe:

0.4mls of Ruyan 4 flavoring (4%)
6.5mls of 36mg nic liquid in a VG base
3.1mls of PG

specs: The resulting liquid is a 35/65 PG/VG blend at 24mg nic strength. Juice color is a golden amber. I let the mixed liquid steep for a week. Testing was done using a Boge 2.2 ohm LR carto powered by a Vector VV (Vtube 1.5t) set to 4.3 volts, producing 8.4 watts.

Tobacco Express Ruyan 4 is one of the new super-concentrated Chinese flavorings now carried by EcigExpress. Recommended mix ratio with these super-concentrates is only 2.0–5.0%, so a 10ml bottle of concentrate will make at least 200mls of diy mixed juice (and perhaps even 400-500mls). Cost is only $3.99/10ml bottle, so we're talking about a lot of very inexpensive ejuice here. Tobacco Express also offers a flavoring called “RY4,” which is a sweeter, more candy-toned or dessert RY4.

Ruyan 4 is a straight tobacco-caramel-vanilla blend. No nuts or other flavors that I can discern. Unlike most Chinese RY4s, balance was tossed right out the window for this DIY concentrate, as was unity of the overall flavor so characteristic of classic RY4s. The uneven flavor profile of Ruyan 4 is dominated by a synthetic tobacco, which is generic but quite tasty. It’s less bright than I expect in a typical Chinese RY4, but has more depth and carries a potent punch at 24mg nic. It's not overly smooth and carries an edge of roughness, which I like.

Caramel comes next and is distinct on both inhale and exhale. This caramel is not candy-like at all and is neither rich nor sweet. Instead, it has depth and lovely dark body.

Now for the problem: Vanilla. While the dark caramel walks contentedly alongside the strong tobacco, vanilla merely brings up the rear, like a very young child being pulled in a little red wagon behind his tobacco dad and caramel mom. The vanilla is almost an afterthought. As a flavor, it's almost undetectable in the mix. To the extent that I can perceive its presence, this is a very light vanilla that may have been intended to provide a counterbalancing airy uplift to the deeper tobacco and darker caramel. If that was the intention, however, the plan failed. To be a real RY4, this juice needs more vanilla. That said, it still tastes good.

As formulated, Ruyan 4 is definitely not the killer RY4 of all time, but it remains very vapable nonetheless. Closer to a caramel-tobacco blend than a true RY4, this diy juice should please tobacco lovers. With a little added vanilla, Ruyan 4 might just make RY4 lovers happy, too.

As with all diy juices, flavor intensity, throat hit, and vapor production are largely user-controllable, depending on the percentage of flavor concentrate, strength of liquid nic, and PG/VG base. My particular bottle is amply flavorful (4% concentrate), has substantial throat hit (24mg nic), and produces plumes of vapor (35/65 PG/VG base blend).

My closing comment is that I like Ruyan 4 more as I vape it longer. It's curiously satisfying, despite the lack of balance. This juice could grow on me. Both the tobacco and caramel are particularly good. Compared to the ten-or-so other RY4 diy flavorings I've tried, this mix easily holds it own and is significantly better than most, in my personal opinion. I think I'll leave this batch as-is and whip up another 10ml bottle to which I'll add a little extra vanilla. Later, I'll post a follow-up on the thread to report how that works out after a week or so of steeping.

Tobacco Express Ruyan 4 diy flavoring - Grade: a nice, solid B.

Link to purchase: http://www.ecigexpress.com/flavorse...c-16_96_98/tobacco-express-ruyan4-10ml-p-1532

Now you have me wanting to taste it, Bill