I no longer vape MOV tobaccos at work because one of my colleagues described them as smelling like "the subways in Paris". That wasn't a compliment.
As long as the roof isn't leaking, I adore the smell of secondhand bookstores.
The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)
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Yay! I too have been adding a bit more tobacco to my waffles (that sounds weird) but I am trying out a few of the tobacco concentrates instead since I have only one half-full 12ml bottle of Morley left. I've only ever tried it in a clearomizer which might have accounted for my "WHOA, DOGGIES" reaction to it (Mr Scarf-Ace briefly thought I'd gone back to analogs, it was so realistic smelling). I plan to fill a small cartomizer to see if it tastes less intense.
So glad it worked out for you, Bill.
My database showed that I had ample Morley---half of a 3ml sample bottle, a full 10ml bottle, and a full 15ml bottle of Morley flavoring concentrate. I used the entire 10ml bottle to make my Morley & Waffles mix, but then I refilled that bottle with DIY Morley made with 20% flavoring. Haven't tried it yet, but it's the right color, so I figure it'll be good for my next experiment of salvaging a sweet juice I'm not in love with. LOL.
I've now had half a day to vape the Morley & Waffles Frankenjuice mix, and it continues to feel like a winner. I doubt that it will challenge the best retail tobacco vapes I have (too many to list), but I'll vape it quite happily.
I need to learn to be more salvagey like you guys are. I never mix juices. If I don't like one it sits until I put it on the classifieds, which I have been way to lazy to do for the past few months, so now I have another stash of a bazillion juices I don't like.
Bill gets the flavor just right.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...lly-big-ry4-roundup-long-200.html#post6516383
Never tried their original, probably never will. I MUCH prefer more tobacco vapes, having recently really liked HHH Gandalf and Dragons Fire (although for 100% VG I got liittle vapor, the taste was amazing)
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...lly-big-ry4-roundup-long-200.html#post6516383
Never tried their original, probably never will. I MUCH prefer more tobacco vapes, having recently really liked HHH Gandalf and Dragons Fire (although for 100% VG I got liittle vapor, the taste was amazing)
I think I'm finally ready to review one of the biggies, TRIBECA by Halo.
Like several other ECFers, I was generously offered my choice of free e-liquids by Halo. I chose Tribeca, of course, and Bella Valente. This is what I wrote about my first straight-out-of-the-box taste eleven days ago:
Fast forward a week and a half. What do I think? (All samples vaped in a clear DCC, 18mg,on a Provari Mini at 4.1 volts)
TRIBECA is like the proto-RY4. I find it shockingly similar to my HealthCabin RY4 or my IMIX concentrate. Light and bright ethylmaltol/caramel, extra-extra mild tobacco, and a powdery vanilla. All blended in perfect proportion.
I'm torn. Tribeca contains everything a RY4 should, and nothing it shouldn't. It is perfectly pleasant and eminently vapeable.
So why doesn't it excite me? I guess I'm just a bit jaded. Having tried somewhere between 30 and 40 RY4s, it takes more than "pleasant" to thrill me. It isn't bad, but it isn't great.
YES YES I hear you all screaming, "It hasn't steeped enough!" Eleven days plus seven days of trans-Pacific air travel is nearly three weeks. I will reserve final final judgment for another month. And the reason I'm granting that grace period is because my other Halo freebie displayed such an astonishing turnaround.
Bella Valente is A.MAZ.ING. From that first hit of greasy tobacco absolute which was just all kinds of wrong, this liquid has blossomed into a serious and sophisticated pleasure. It is the good sort of woodsy, a fragrant cigar PLUS the cedar humidor you'd keep it in. And yet this solemn austerity hasn't stopped me from vaping the carto dry in about 20 minutes.
BV isn't even remotely RY4-like, but if you need something deep and dry I very much recommend BV. Incidentally, this liquid is water-clear and produces phenomenal throat hit and vapor. I am entranced.
Thanks again to Halo for providing these. I will definitely try some of their others. Props also for good packaging: cobalt glass, waterproof labels, and the least annoying childproof caps I have yet encountered.
EDITED because I DO know how many days are in a week, honest!
Like several other ECFers, I was generously offered my choice of free e-liquids by Halo. I chose Tribeca, of course, and Bella Valente. This is what I wrote about my first straight-out-of-the-box taste eleven days ago:
Fast forward a week and a half. What do I think? (All samples vaped in a clear DCC, 18mg,on a Provari Mini at 4.1 volts)
TRIBECA is like the proto-RY4. I find it shockingly similar to my HealthCabin RY4 or my IMIX concentrate. Light and bright ethylmaltol/caramel, extra-extra mild tobacco, and a powdery vanilla. All blended in perfect proportion.
I'm torn. Tribeca contains everything a RY4 should, and nothing it shouldn't. It is perfectly pleasant and eminently vapeable.
So why doesn't it excite me? I guess I'm just a bit jaded. Having tried somewhere between 30 and 40 RY4s, it takes more than "pleasant" to thrill me. It isn't bad, but it isn't great.
YES YES I hear you all screaming, "It hasn't steeped enough!" Eleven days plus seven days of trans-Pacific air travel is nearly three weeks. I will reserve final final judgment for another month. And the reason I'm granting that grace period is because my other Halo freebie displayed such an astonishing turnaround.
Bella Valente is A.MAZ.ING. From that first hit of greasy tobacco absolute which was just all kinds of wrong, this liquid has blossomed into a serious and sophisticated pleasure. It is the good sort of woodsy, a fragrant cigar PLUS the cedar humidor you'd keep it in. And yet this solemn austerity hasn't stopped me from vaping the carto dry in about 20 minutes.
BV isn't even remotely RY4-like, but if you need something deep and dry I very much recommend BV. Incidentally, this liquid is water-clear and produces phenomenal throat hit and vapor. I am entranced.
Thanks again to Halo for providing these. I will definitely try some of their others. Props also for good packaging: cobalt glass, waterproof labels, and the least annoying childproof caps I have yet encountered.
EDITED because I DO know how many days are in a week, honest!
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Dekang and Hangsen Bargain Hunters!!!!
I put an order in with a new company I found in China, vaporbreak.com
I thought I'd wait till they arrived before posting about them as the prices seemed too good.
Anyway, my test order turned up today.
100ml of DK RY4 and 100ml of Hangsen RY4.
Both taste VERRRRY fresh. I think the freshest I have had.
By that, I mean the DK has a slightly more predominant tobacco exhale than usual and the Hangsen has a MONSTER throat hit. I had to double check the nic level as I ordered low (11mg) and this feels higher. I would describe it as immature flavour.
They will all go into the steeping drawer and if they come up to their usual level I will order another 500ml of each.
I find that I prefer them both after they have sat for at least a month.
The best part is the price.
$1.00 per 10ml
My order of 200ml including express postage via EMS which took 7 days cost $32.
They have the full dekang and hangsen ranges including RY1, RY2, RY3 and RY4 in both brands.
I put an order in with a new company I found in China, vaporbreak.com
I thought I'd wait till they arrived before posting about them as the prices seemed too good.
Anyway, my test order turned up today.
100ml of DK RY4 and 100ml of Hangsen RY4.
Both taste VERRRRY fresh. I think the freshest I have had.
By that, I mean the DK has a slightly more predominant tobacco exhale than usual and the Hangsen has a MONSTER throat hit. I had to double check the nic level as I ordered low (11mg) and this feels higher. I would describe it as immature flavour.
They will all go into the steeping drawer and if they come up to their usual level I will order another 500ml of each.
I find that I prefer them both after they have sat for at least a month.
The best part is the price.
$1.00 per 10ml
My order of 200ml including express postage via EMS which took 7 days cost $32.
They have the full dekang and hangsen ranges including RY1, RY2, RY3 and RY4 in both brands.
Scarf, the Tribeca just keeps getting better. After 3 months of steeping, my sample went from horrible to holy (LOL). I could not beleive it changed so drastically. Now, Tribeca is my #1 favorte vape of all I have tried up to this point (maybe 50 juices so far of multiple flavors RY4 and otherwise, only been vaping 5 months). If you have not tried Halo's Turkish, I think you will like it as well.
Great review, I think I will include Bella Valente with my next Tribeca order. You sold me!
Great review, I think I will include Bella Valente with my next Tribeca order. You sold me!
Back in July, Scarf-ace and Lettucehead had a brief exchange on the thread concerning Honey Fig Tobacco from ThePlumeRoom. At that point, I decided to whip up a semi-diy version using some ancient (meaning nearly two-year-old) Fig Newton juice from FSUSA that was relegated to one of the Permanently Exiled drawers of my juice cabinets. I used some Real Cig/MLB tobacco concentrate, added a little FA Honey flavoring plus liquid nic and VG, then mixed in a good amount of the Fig Newton juice, which was mostly PG. Voilà! Surprisingly, my concoction was pretty good after a little tweaking of the ingredient ratios, and I've been vaping it off and on ever since. I've often wondered how it might compare to the "real thing"---ThePlumeRoom's retail version of Honey Fig Tobacco.
Recently, Andrea at ThePlumeRoom very generously bumped up a small order of mine by including a free 15ml bottle of Honey Fig Tobacco. Thanks, Andrea! Since all TPR's juices are made-fresh-to-order, I'd been letting it steep until yesterday, when I loaded up a carto and gave it a try.
Well, dog my cats. Turns out that my diy version is closer to Andrea's than I would have ever imagined, especially given my general sloppiness as a diy'er. I tend to throw together ingredients with a certain devil-may-care abandon, since I'm not mixing for anyone other than myself, and if I ruin a juice, nobody cares---including me. Not that Andrea's and my Honey Fig Tobacco are identical---oh no, her retail juice is fruitier and more "alive" than my diy mix. Andrea's fig flavoring tastes like fresh figs, where mine was, by definition, made with old fig newton cookie juice that was clearly approaching the alzheimer's stage of its brief life, so mine tastes a little flatter, less "three-dimensional," and more like candied than fresh fruit. But they're both really good. Different takes on the same theme. Another small victory in my resurrecting-Lazarus juice salvage business.
I hear from our colleague Cool_Breeze that a care package is winging its way to me containing a sample of Awesome Clouds AC3 (which is their take on a custom RY4), so I'll get back on the RY4 track soon and have another review to post within a week.
Unless I've miscounted, we've now passed the 100 mark of RY4s reviewed on the thread. Somebody pop open some champagne! (Or maybe vape some champagne juice...)
Recently, Andrea at ThePlumeRoom very generously bumped up a small order of mine by including a free 15ml bottle of Honey Fig Tobacco. Thanks, Andrea! Since all TPR's juices are made-fresh-to-order, I'd been letting it steep until yesterday, when I loaded up a carto and gave it a try.
Well, dog my cats. Turns out that my diy version is closer to Andrea's than I would have ever imagined, especially given my general sloppiness as a diy'er. I tend to throw together ingredients with a certain devil-may-care abandon, since I'm not mixing for anyone other than myself, and if I ruin a juice, nobody cares---including me. Not that Andrea's and my Honey Fig Tobacco are identical---oh no, her retail juice is fruitier and more "alive" than my diy mix. Andrea's fig flavoring tastes like fresh figs, where mine was, by definition, made with old fig newton cookie juice that was clearly approaching the alzheimer's stage of its brief life, so mine tastes a little flatter, less "three-dimensional," and more like candied than fresh fruit. But they're both really good. Different takes on the same theme. Another small victory in my resurrecting-Lazarus juice salvage business.
I hear from our colleague Cool_Breeze that a care package is winging its way to me containing a sample of Awesome Clouds AC3 (which is their take on a custom RY4), so I'll get back on the RY4 track soon and have another review to post within a week.
Unless I've miscounted, we've now passed the 100 mark of RY4s reviewed on the thread. Somebody pop open some champagne! (Or maybe vape some champagne juice...)
Target, I've just awakened and am having my morning coffee. I think you will enjoy Bella Valente with a cuppa, it is really a nice combination.
Point taken about Tribeca. I'm keeping it to re-try at a later date, rather than adding it to the pile of "stuff I could offload on aussievapers if I only had the energy" LOL.
I think it's Roxxette on this thread who dislikes tobacco absolute? Be warned that BV is very TA heavy.
If Halo's goal was to get exposure and gain customers, they succeeded on both counts. I'm definitely ordering a half-dozen of their juices next time I'm in a big-order mood. My hypothetical order contains:
More Tribeca and Bella Valente
Freedom
Torque
Prime 15 (hereafter known as Moldy Potato Juice in honor of Mrs. Hangdude LOL)
Turkish
Midnight Apple (I dislike apple-flavoured stuff as a rule and am only including this because I've fallen hard for Juice Who're's Double Apple Hookah which is delightful.)
Longhorn
How ironic that I like both of my Halo freebies, while the one that I actually paid for (Belgian Cocoa) is a dud. (A dud as far as chocolate juices go...it will make a good additive to my arsenal of Frankenjuice ingredients.)
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Oh no i dont have nothing against TA 
cant think how some dislike because its very common.
I have to try bella valente and longhorn plus the turkish one but the only local shop around still dont have the new flavors other than belgian cocoa hayed that one.
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cant think how some dislike because its very common.I have to try bella valente and longhorn plus the turkish one but the only local shop around still dont have the new flavors other than belgian cocoa
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Musing time.
When I consider whether the juice glass is half-empty or half-full, I always think half-full. What I mean by that is that I'm almost never dismayed by the number of sucky, lousy juices that are sold in the retail marketplace. Instead, I'm usually amazed by how many good juices are available.
I have this attitude not because I'm an eternal optimist (I'm not) or easy to please (again, I'm not), but because of the accumulated flight time I've acquired in the realm of diy juice-making. I know from firsthand experience how hard it is to make good nicquids from scratch. Sure, the basic ingredients are simple: flavorings, bases, and liquid nic. But the skill in combining those to make a pleasing and satisfying juice are far from straightforward. I'm lucky if half the juices I make are worth keeping, and only about 1 in 4 are really good. And what astonishes me most about this is that I'm making juice only for myself. Mine is the only palate that I have to please. I can hardly imagine what it must take to create juices that will appeal to a large part of the extremely broad bell-curve of palates/tastes in the marketplace.
I mean, how do the juice artisans at all our favorite vendors even know when they're successfully designing a juice that many people will like across the board of flavor subjectivity? Trial and error? Beta-testing? 100 different versions of the same juice with precise and carefully recorded recipes for each one, since these juicemakers will need to accurately replicate the final version over and over. Geez, just getting enough feedback must take forever. And yet, these folks create 20, 30, or however many juices that are for sale on their sites. They must do little else but sit in their respective juice labs all day tinkering away with one formula after another. Either that or they have some incredible sixth sense that I lack.
William Goldman, who wrote the screenplay for the famous Newman-Redord movie "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid," wrote a book about movie-making in Hollywood where he stated that no one involved in making movies ever knows if the end result will be good or not. My own experience with the Hollywood clientele I had back in the '80s and '90s confirmed that. Literally, no one ever knows. You roll the dice, and you get what you get. Most of the time, the movie is sort of a dud. On rare occasions, it's an Oscar. And once in a blue moon, by some stroke of good luck or perfect timing, the end result is a great movie, a true classic. But odds are 1,000-to-1 against. And that doesn't even include the 20,000 other written scripts or projects in various stages of development that never get green-lighted for one reason or another, and so don't ever get made. We're talking needles in haystacks here.
I figure that eliquids ought to have about the same odds, roughly 1,000-to-1 against. And yet, the odds of creating a superlative eliquid seem to me in the range of 100-to-1, or---with some juice vendors---even lower, say, 15-to-1 (one extraordinarily wonderful juice versus 15 others that might be OK but don't hit the mark of mass appeal). And yet, here we are as vapers, recipients of so many retail juices that are treasured by large numbers of vapers. Everyone knows the juices I'm talking about, and the truly amazing thing is how many there are---far too many to list.
So, my hat is off to the incredibly talented juice-masters and juice-mistresses of the vaping marketplace. Just in our particular realm of RY4s, the astonishing thing is not that so many sub-par or lousy RY4s disappoint us, but that so many superlative and wonderful RY4s are available to make us happy.
When I consider whether the juice glass is half-empty or half-full, I always think half-full. What I mean by that is that I'm almost never dismayed by the number of sucky, lousy juices that are sold in the retail marketplace. Instead, I'm usually amazed by how many good juices are available.
I have this attitude not because I'm an eternal optimist (I'm not) or easy to please (again, I'm not), but because of the accumulated flight time I've acquired in the realm of diy juice-making. I know from firsthand experience how hard it is to make good nicquids from scratch. Sure, the basic ingredients are simple: flavorings, bases, and liquid nic. But the skill in combining those to make a pleasing and satisfying juice are far from straightforward. I'm lucky if half the juices I make are worth keeping, and only about 1 in 4 are really good. And what astonishes me most about this is that I'm making juice only for myself. Mine is the only palate that I have to please. I can hardly imagine what it must take to create juices that will appeal to a large part of the extremely broad bell-curve of palates/tastes in the marketplace.
I mean, how do the juice artisans at all our favorite vendors even know when they're successfully designing a juice that many people will like across the board of flavor subjectivity? Trial and error? Beta-testing? 100 different versions of the same juice with precise and carefully recorded recipes for each one, since these juicemakers will need to accurately replicate the final version over and over. Geez, just getting enough feedback must take forever. And yet, these folks create 20, 30, or however many juices that are for sale on their sites. They must do little else but sit in their respective juice labs all day tinkering away with one formula after another. Either that or they have some incredible sixth sense that I lack.
William Goldman, who wrote the screenplay for the famous Newman-Redord movie "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid," wrote a book about movie-making in Hollywood where he stated that no one involved in making movies ever knows if the end result will be good or not. My own experience with the Hollywood clientele I had back in the '80s and '90s confirmed that. Literally, no one ever knows. You roll the dice, and you get what you get. Most of the time, the movie is sort of a dud. On rare occasions, it's an Oscar. And once in a blue moon, by some stroke of good luck or perfect timing, the end result is a great movie, a true classic. But odds are 1,000-to-1 against. And that doesn't even include the 20,000 other written scripts or projects in various stages of development that never get green-lighted for one reason or another, and so don't ever get made. We're talking needles in haystacks here.
I figure that eliquids ought to have about the same odds, roughly 1,000-to-1 against. And yet, the odds of creating a superlative eliquid seem to me in the range of 100-to-1, or---with some juice vendors---even lower, say, 15-to-1 (one extraordinarily wonderful juice versus 15 others that might be OK but don't hit the mark of mass appeal). And yet, here we are as vapers, recipients of so many retail juices that are treasured by large numbers of vapers. Everyone knows the juices I'm talking about, and the truly amazing thing is how many there are---far too many to list.
So, my hat is off to the incredibly talented juice-masters and juice-mistresses of the vaping marketplace. Just in our particular realm of RY4s, the astonishing thing is not that so many sub-par or lousy RY4s disappoint us, but that so many superlative and wonderful RY4s are available to make us happy.
Man, I can't wait. I did one tankful of Tribeca and dumped half of it out because I didn't like it. It's been steeping now maybe three weeks. When should I try it again?
So what's the verdict? Who likes the Honey Fig and how much? That sure sounds delicious to me.
Great post, Bill. From talking to different juice-chefs, one who used to call me ad nauseum who WILL NOT BE NAMED but you know who it is, they have said it's pretty much like any invention. 999 nasty and 1 amazing.
Well said Bill.
I hope that I didn't sound churlish when I wrote that Tribeca didn't excite me. Is it better than 90% of the juices out there? Quite. Is it better than, well, 99% of the juices I make myself? Indubitably. I laughed nervously when you wrote "thanks for the recipes" the other day (in re. the tobaffle blends-neologism alert). Because what some call a recipe, I call insouciantly flinging together drops of this and that until it tastes not horrible. Does a lot of liquid go down the drain because of this? Yup. Do my disasters prompt me to take a deep breath and actually write stuff down, and vape it a drop at a time until perfection is achieved? Or at least a reasonable facsimile?
Er, no.
So I too, must congratulate the artisans and vendors who take the time to achieve something wonderful, so that we can all talk about it. I certainly wouldn't have the patience to do it, but I'm sure glad somebody does
I hope that I didn't sound churlish when I wrote that Tribeca didn't excite me. Is it better than 90% of the juices out there? Quite. Is it better than, well, 99% of the juices I make myself? Indubitably. I laughed nervously when you wrote "thanks for the recipes" the other day (in re. the tobaffle blends-neologism alert). Because what some call a recipe, I call insouciantly flinging together drops of this and that until it tastes not horrible. Does a lot of liquid go down the drain because of this? Yup. Do my disasters prompt me to take a deep breath and actually write stuff down, and vape it a drop at a time until perfection is achieved? Or at least a reasonable facsimile?
Er, no.
So I too, must congratulate the artisans and vendors who take the time to achieve something wonderful, so that we can all talk about it. I certainly wouldn't have the patience to do it, but I'm sure glad somebody does
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