The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

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I seem to have a love/hate relationship with RY4, I have only tried the ECBlends RY4 (Extra flavor + Extra carm/vanilla). I will be at work and crave the taste something fierce, go home and load up a tank... Take 5-6 pulls and love it, 10 min later I hate it.

mekks,

For many of us, enjoyment of flavors can be a slippery slope. I seem to go in phases, in-phase for awhile with some flavor or category and enjoying it immensely, then out-of-phase with that flavor for awhile where I want to (and do) stop vaping it. That takes weeks, however, sometimes even months to cycle through. Your "diurnal flavor rhythms" seem to be almost moment-by-moment. I have no idea what that means.

While intending no disrespect to ECBlends, I'd encourage you to try at least a couple other highly-regarded RY4s.
 

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if your going to do a review from the same vendor why in the world would you have 8 different threads.....

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She's a noob. Didn't know any better. Chose eight threads rather than one thread with eight posts. I'll bet she caught some flak for that. LOL.
 

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Just a quick fly by. Howdy RY4 lovers. I am almost ready to start the last bottle of RY4s that the Supreme RY4 Meister brewed up for me. Out of the four I tried, two were superb, one was good, and only one was so-so. I didn't hate any of them.
Thanks again Bill, for sending these to us.
Sandy

Thanks, Sandy.

Supreme RY4 Meister. LOL. Some days I feel like the Supreme RY4 Shyster.

Three out of four isn't too shabby. I didn't create the flavorings, of course, so I had no personal investment in your liking them or not---I just whipped up the bottles for you from single-flavoring DIY pre-mixed RY4 concentrates.
 

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Holy Grail I think I am vaping MOV CountRY-4, wow I really do not see much difference at all...Really it is kinda of let down thinking about trying something new but its not lol....great call on this one guys , Its still a awesome juice to me just kinda let down :confused:

My guess is that Holy Grail and MOV CountRY-4 taste much more distinct and different to LeDean, who created both juices, than they do to us. She knows exactly how they're different in ingredients, mix, and flavor profile, while we just vape 'em both and say, "Wow, twins." LOL.
 

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I have a old one to bring up and just any new thoughts on KalamazooVaporShop RY4, im kinda paranoid now with the Holy Grail deal, could you compaire this juice to another but not really looking for the same but as classic or the tobacoo in it. Thanks

OK, keep in mind that my bottle of Kalamazoo Vapor Shop RY4 is now a year and a half old, so it might be getting a bit long in the tooth. Anyway, KVS RY4 started out for me early in the thread as a pretty solid B-range effort. Over time, it's lost ground (to a C+) for two reasons: 1. it's not particularly special in any way, at least to my palate, and 2. I'm not thrilled with the tobacco element KVS uses. My brain says "Virginia," but that might be wrong.

KVS is in three Category Groups: Dessert/Sweet, Nutty, and Balanced/Blended. It leans toward the Classic profile, but has some of the Custom distinctness of flavors.

I'm sitting here with 100 RY4s in cartos. I don't know what to sample to compare.

All right. Try this. Either of the MaddCatt offerings---RYJ4 and RYW4---strike me as roughly equivalent. Also DIYFlavorshack RY4, GoodEJuice RY4 (not GJ4), and EliteVaporworks RY4. Pick one.
 

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Thanks dude, Sorry Bill I was only asking if it had changed in your roundup.ranking/grade

JB,

Back in the April review, I gave TFA RY4 Asian a B+. Now it's a B, since I'm trying to keep the DIY section simple by not giving pluses or minuses.

Personally, I like the top Custom RY4 concentrates a little more---TFA RY4 Double and Want2Vape RY4, then behind those Hangsen RY4 and HealthCabin RY4 (which are midway between Custom and Classic)---but that's just me. For a truly Classic RY4 flavor profile (bright, middle-of-the-road synthetic tobacco base that's doesn't stand out and is well-blended with caramel and vanilla into a balanced overall flavor) in a pre-mix DIY concentrate, TFA RY4 Asian is hard to beat. If you're a devoted Classic RY4 lover who's into DIY, RY4 Asian is a no-brainer. Really tasty, and a heck of a lot cheaper per ml than retail Janty Elixir or just about any other RY4.
 

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For anyone still having a hard time understanding what I mean by Classic versus Custom RY4s (despite my previous efforts to explain), try this shorthand:

Classic RY4s are defined by The Three Bs---Bright, Balanced, and Blended.

Bright is the vaping equivalent of the treble range in music. The high end as a flavor experience for the brain. Sparkly, almost effervescent, but hopefully not shrill. Stimulating rather than pulsating. Think birds in flight. Think trumpets or soaring violins. One might even use the more emotional term light-hearted.

Balanced means that all the constituent ingredients have equal or at least roughly equivalent impact in the flavor profile. Strong tobacco, caramel-rich, and vanilla-rich are not Classic flavor profiles. No one flavor stands out.

Blended is both an art and a choice, namely, the use of complementary flavorings that like each other and are mixed in such a way that they all fuse together into unity. The resulting overall flavor tends toward one taste experience for the vaper, rather than distinctly tasting each individual ingredient.

Balance and Blending necessarily work together. You may still recognize the presence of each ingredient, but the individual components work in harmony. They don't scream to get your attention or fight with each other to be king of the hill. Think the Andrews Sisters or Crosby, Stills, and Nash (or, with nuts, Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young---I guess that makes Neil Young nuts, LOL). But not Diana Ross and the Supremes. No lead singers, no backup singers. The Mormon Tabernacle Choir.

By contrast, Custom RY4s are, well, everything else. Custom RY4s have no particular shared characteristics common to all, except that they are not Classic. They are often "deeper" or "darker" in flavor than Classics, but not always. They may use flavorings other than or in addition to the standard trio (tobacco, caramel, vanilla, and sometimes nuts), or use their component flavorings in ways that make a particular element stand out. An RY4 with very distinct flavor components is probably Custom.

Classic RY4s cannot be mistaken for anything else. They are not mere tobacco blends, nor simply sweet dessert juices. They are clearly RY4s. Custom RY4s, on the other hand, sometimes push the flavor envelope so far that the question becomes: Are they RY4s or not? That's always a judgment call, since "objective" criteria are so difficult to define for Custom RY4s.


The Holy Trinity of RY4 flavoring ingredients

Tobaccos vary widely in RY4s. The tobacco in some Classic RY4s is pedestrian and nondescript, but never distracting. Custom RY4 tobacco flavorings are all over the map, from standard to wildly eccentric, and from mild to potent. NETs (natural tobacco extracts) are always Custom, since Classic RY4 was created using synthetic tobacco flavorings.

Caramel is a near universal in all RY4s, except those few that substitute a cotton-candy spun-sugar type flavor for the caramel, but even those tend to provide the taste of caramelized sugar. Caramels may be sweet or savory, rich or lean, more like hard candies. chewy candies, or poured liquid ice-cream toppings. If the caramel is too dominant, however, you've reached the boundary of RY4 Land and may have crossed over into the Empire of Caramel. RY4 without much caramel are exceedingly rare, and usually vanilla-rich (but simply being vanilla-rich doesn't necessarily imply a lack of caramel).

Vanilla is the wild-card mystery ingredient of RY4. Sometimes used liberally to obvious effect, but more often added almost as an afterthought, a kind of background binder for the tobacco and caramel. It is essential, however.

Nut flavorings are optional, as are more outlandish additional ingredients, such as: liqueurs, bitter/sour, maple/molasses, cocoa/chocolate, various fruits, menthol/mint, etc. RY4s may contain nuttiness and still qualify as Classic. That's true also of a sour component to counterbalance sweetness, since Janty---the original, first-ever RY4---uses that sweet-sour counterbalancing). All the other odd flavorings are inherently Custom. Use any of the weirder flavorings, and you end up with a Custom RY4.
 

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Im lurking the thread for a while now, not buying any ry4s other than tribeca and vs4 :) very nice liquids.

I gotta say Bill that the "classic ry4" will fade away, market is flooded with custom versions and a most lack that ry4 feel imo; bwb ry4 (still have a little more than half a bottle left) will remain the true custom ry4 its just so unique with that heavy vanilla taste yet is well blended.




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Im lurking the thread for a while now, not buying any ry4s other than tribeca and vs4 :) very nice liquids.

I gotta say Bill that the "classic ry4" will fade away, market is flooded with custom versions and a most lack that ry4 feel imo; bwb ry4 (still have a little more than half a bottle left) will remain the true custom ry4 its just so unique with that heavy vanilla taste yet is well blended.

roxxette,

I concur that Tribeca and VS4 are darn good. Like you, I still have about 15mls of BWB RY4 in my stash. Despite my having fallen out of love with BWB RY4 (more than once---I started out in love with it for a long time, then fell out of love, then later moved back in love again with some reservations, and these days I'm not sure how I feel), I acknowledge BWB RY4's almost legendary status among vapers. And now that it's gone (apparently), legendary will probably morph into mythic.

As to whether Classic RY4s will fade away, who knows? The marketplace will decide. The increasing onslaught of custom RY4s over the past year has certainly been amazing to watch. I assume that's a big part of what's kept this thread alive.
 
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