The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

[billherbst]

specs: The 5ml sample bottle of ouR whY Qu4tro I purchased from QuickNicJuice contains a dark-caramel-colored transparent liquid at 24mg nic in a 50/50 PG/VG base blend. I should probably let this juice steep for at least another week, but I’m eager to try it out, so this will be a “first impression” review rather than a final judgment. Nose of the juice is a pleasing scent that gives no evidence of tobacco. Testing was done by dripping into an 1.8 ohm IKV i06 atty powered by a VAMO set to 8.0 watts.

Before I launch into my “first impressions” review, allow me to make a press release, as much an admission as a statement. I'll preface with some background.

This thread is now more than a year and a half old. A lot of water has crossed under the bridge over that time. We’ve defined the three necessary core ingredients that make a juice an RY4 (tobacco, caramel, and vanilla), reviewed more than 110 RY4s, and developed criteria for two distinct genres of RY4 (Classic and Custom). Along the way, we’ve also unearthed some of the buried history of RY4, including the stories of how RY4 was initially created on the spur of the moment literally one day in 2007 by Ludo from Janty and a Dekang flavor chemist, and we’ve pieced together what happened to the mythic “lost” Dekang RY4 from 2009. Meanwhile, RY4 Land continues to expand, with old RY4s reappearing (including the original, first-ever Janty RY4 in Janty’s DK series) and new Custom RY4s proliferating like rabbits.

OK, now for my admission: I really love the idea of Custom RY4s, especially RY4s using a stronger tobacco base made with NET (naturally-extracted tobacco). But here’s the rub: I like that better as an idea than as a reality, at least so far. Oddly enough, I find myself absolutely knocked out by Janty RY4 DK, which takes me full circle---all the way back to the original RY4. I love that juice, and I haven’t yet found any Custom RY4s---whether made with synthetic tobacco flavoring or NET---that can come close to giving me the pleasure and satisfaction of the RY4 that kicked off the whole shebang and defines the Classic genre.

The reason that admission is relevant and worth stating is that I don’t have the slightest idea what to write about QuickNic ouR whY Qu4tro.

I guess an RY4 that uses NET could conceivably have a Classic flavor profile, but so far, all the NET-based RY4s I’ve vaped are Custom all the way. Well, ouR whY Qu4tro is definitely Custom. In fact, it's out-of-sight Custom. ouR whY Qu4tro doesn’t just push the envelope of what an RY4 is and should taste like, it explodes it, takes a wrecking ball to it, demolishes it completely. I ask myself, “What flavorings are in this stuff? Can I identify the Holy Trinity of tobacco, caramel, and vanilla?" Absolutely. I’m certain that both caramel and vanilla are amply present in ouR whY Qu4tro, but the potent fire-cured NET tobacco alters their flavor dramatically. As a result, the overall flavor profile and impact is, quite simply, like no RY4 I’ve ever tasted before. Not even similar. Hell, not even in the same ballpark. (The hangdude wrote the same thing in his mini-review, and Mr.Mann stated that the fire-cured tobacco was so bold and aggressive as to be startling.)

My first impression is that ouR whY Qu4tro is more an NET hybrid (meaning an NET to which other flavors have been added during mixing) than an RY4. The name makes it clear as a bell that QuickNic intends it to be an RY4. I’m not entirely sure it is, though. Despite having all the qualifying ingredients, the way the juice tastes is right at the edge of RY4 Land, and maybe beyond the border. At the very least, ouR whY Qu4tro is an RY4 from another planet. It's possible that the fire-cured NET is the wrong kind of NET to make a good RY4, but that's very subjective.

Do I like it? I don’t know (which means that I probably don’t, at least not yet). As an NET hybrid, it’s fine. Even good. As an RY4, however, I’m not sure I like it. As I said, the juice hasn’t had time to properly steep, so I’ll wait on giving it a grade, since judging based on my reaction today would be unfair. I will, however, include it on The Big RY4 List and in the RY4 Category Groups (under Stronger Tobacco and Distinctive/atypical).

Link to purchase: QuickNicJuice liquids

 

[billherbst]

I got an email today announcing that the VaporTalkStore is back in business and restocked with all the VT eliquids. In balance, I regard that as good news, even though it's sort of a mixed blessing.

Although I don't vape RY4s for pleasure much anymore and don't really need the massive stash of RY4s that I have, VaporTalk Dulcis remains one of my all-time favorite RY4s. Since I was down to about 4mls left, I moseyed on over to the renewed site and ordered two more 10ml bottles. Yeesh. I knew in advance that I wouldn't like the sticker shock: 70¢/ml plus $6 shipping. That's highway robbery, even with a 10% off coupon code (ILOVEVAPORTALK)---$18.57 for two 10ml bottles.

Oh well, it's only money, as they say, and I'm glad to restock. Dulcis is a perennial Top 10 RY4 for me. One of the best "not-quite-Classic-but-darned-close" RY4s ever made. What with Custom RY4s getting more adventurous/outrageous every season, I'd probably put Dulcis into the Classic RY4 camp these days.

Anyway, I'm pleased that Dulcis is available again.

 

[passerbyeus]

beat to the punch on that one......I am upset with Janty USA I ordered on the 1/30 and it did not ship until 2/5 thats fine and all but since I did pay over 7 dollars for shipping I expect it not to take almost a week to get it priority....O well i got it today and happy not my RAF but will do....

 

[passerbyeus]

So I was just thinking about all the RY4 we vape and try. Technically not only are we RY4 masters but also caramel, vanilla, and tobacco masters

 

[billherbst]

So I was just thinking about all the RY4 we vape and try. Technically not only are we RY4 masters but also caramel, vanilla, and tobacco masters

I wouldn’t call myself a master. I have become, however, a fairly avid student of tobacco, caramel, and vanilla. Especially tobacco.

Through my two+ years of vaping, I’ve learned more about tobacco than I ever did over 40 years of smoking. I’m way past kindergarten, but I’ve probably only reached junior high school in my knowledge and understanding. I sure as heck haven’t reached college yet, and graduate school is a long way off.

One thought I had during the writing of my first-impressions pre-steep review of QuickNic ouR whY qu4tro review has stayed with me. Here’s the sentence I wrote in the review, which I added at the last moment, almost as an after-thought:

It's possible that the fire-cured NET is the wrong kind of NET to make a good RY4, but that's very subjective.
​

I’ve been thinking that perhaps one of the reasons that RY4 is such a compelling juice blend might center around the relative neutrality of the Classic RY4 tobacco base.

Consider the tobacco base in the original, first-ever RY4 from 2007---Janty RY4---which became available again in 2012 in Janty’s DK Series. While Janty RY4’s tobacco has some character and even distinct flavor, it doesn’t scream or grab the limelight, and it's certainly not eccentric or exotic. It remains, if not quite neutral, at least not dominant over the caramel and vanilla. In fact, in some Classic RY4s the tobacco base is indistinct, almost nondescript, in much the same manner that, throughout the middle 20th century, “Americanized” versions of ethnic foods were usually reformulated to be closer to the center of the flavor bell curve of the relatively unsophisticated American palate of that time.

I’m thinking not merely about restaurant dishes, but about canned and packaged foods, such as Chun King “Chinese,” Chef Boyardee “Italian,” and Folgers “coffee.” These and many similar foods were somewhat less then authentic, meaning that much of the spiciness, heat, and otherwise exotic or intense flavors that characterized the diverse localities of the ethnic or regional foods on which they were based ended up toned down or even sometimes removed entirely, replaced by “safer,” more middle-of-the-road flavors. In short, they were ersatz substitutes for the real thing. This tended to be true even of foods as seemingly universal as pizza. Most cultures create a version of pizza, but typical American pizza from Dominos and Pizza Hut reflected none of those authentic ethnic versions. That watering-down effect has been challenged somewhat over the past couple decades due to the influx of ethnic restaurants and "gourmet" upscale supermarkets. Despite that broadening, however, all the fake, “safe” versions still exist. Sushi has not replaced MacDonalds, and baba ghanoush hasn't overtaken KFC.

As the Juice World moves quickly into the new stage of Naturally-Extracted Tobacco flavorings (NETs), the classic range of tobacco flavors is making a dramatic re-emergence. Although synthetic, lab-based tobacco flavorings from Dekang or FlavourArt took a stab at making vaping versions of Burley, Virginia, or Turkish tobaccos, as well as the aromatic blends like Cavendish used in pipe tobaccos and the other aromatics in cigars, it is the NETs that are bringing out the full range of these diverse, potent and sometimes exotic tastes.

We are now seeing the appearance of new Custom RY4s based on NET flavorings, with the two most recent examples reviewed on the thread being MOV Full Flake Virginia RY4 and QuickNic ouR whY Qu4tro. In one way or another, NET-based RY4s tend to highlight the tobacco, to make it the star.

Here are my questions, probably the first group of many that I may pose in the near future:

Is it possible that the caramel and vanilla in RY4 work best with a relatively neutral tobacco base, one that doesn’t stand out as the central flavor or star of the production, but merely provides a solid base that brings out the best of the caramel-vanilla combo? In the same way that Americans still love our middle-of-the-road pizza---which may not be ethnically authentic, but is still incredibly popular---does the broad enthusiasm for RY4 among vapers share some of that same quality? Could it be that RY4 actually tastes better when all the flavors stay safely in the middle of the bell curve?

I don’t have an answer, but it’s a possibility that I had not even considered until recently, and one that I find both provocative and slightly disturbing.

 

[passerbyeus]

I may have to say I like RY4 with a neutral tobacco base. The nets just seems over powering, though I cant say I have tried 100s of nets but most of the ones I have tried just seem to take over the whole profile, I am not saying nets will not work in a RY4 but the only one I find with a good balance is about 1 for now.

 

[billherbst]

I just revisited Ravyn from AliceinVapeland. I grabbed one of my VAMOs, took off the Vivi Nova tank of Caramel Swirl Cappuccino I keep on that one, screwed on a 1.8 ohm IKV i06 atty, and drip-tested Ravyn again at 8.0 watts.

Ravyn is the first foray into NETs by artisan juice vendor AliceinVapeland. Not only that, but Ravyn is the first tobacco vape of any kind---synthetic or NET---offered by AiV. To make matters more complex, Ravyn was a one-time-only limited release of only 80 bottles total, of which I now own two (long story, don't ask...).

In my initial review, back on January 26th, I wasn’t sure whether or not to include Ravyn on The Big RY4 List. In part, that uncertainty was due to the general lack of agreement about whether or not AiV intended Ravyn to be an RY4, and in part because---whatever AiV intended---Ravyn’s NET flavor profile is pretty far out there for an RY4. Granted, Custom RY4s are allowed to push the flavor envelope, but even that freedom has limits. At the very least---no matter what a juice is named, and no matter what ingredients are in it---to be considered an RY4, a juice should stimulate something in the vaper’s brain that says, “Ah---RY4!”

My feeling at the time was that Ravyn might be considered an RY4, but it might not. Vaping it this morning, after an additional two weeks of steeping, leaves me with a feeling of greater certainty. Not that my opinion counts as ultimate authority or anything so grandiose, but I am the keeper of The Really Big RY4 Roundup thread, so I’m sort of grandfathered in as the RY4 Guru, for whatever it’s worth. (As the old joke goes, with that and $3.50 you can get a cappuccino. LOL.)

Anyway, here’s what I think now: Ravyn is not an RY4. It’s an interesting, flavorful vape, and another distinctive contender in the rapidly increasing harvest of NET hybrids, but it’s not an RY4.

That's just for the record. Not that the case is closed, since I’d certainly be open to opposing viewpoints to argue the case in the other direction, but that’s my opinion for now.

 

[springfieldarms]

Missed the raven train mysel but been curious about it

 

[passerbyeus]

So I ordered Janty DK RY4 from the Janty Europe site, it cost $17 and some change for 30ml which on the US site its $21 for 20ml not sure what is going on there but will update to see how long it takes thats if i even get it lol

 

[Koman]

I got an email today announcing that the VaporTalkStore is back in business and restocked with all the VT eliquids. In balance, I regard that as good news, even though it's sort of a mixed blessing.

Although I don't vape RY4s for pleasure much anymore and don't really need the massive stash of RY4s that I have, VaporTalk Dulcis remains one of my all-time favorite RY4s. Since I was down to about 4mls left, I moseyed on over to the renewed site and ordered two more 10ml bottles. Yeesh. I knew in advance that I wouldn't like the sticker shock: 70¢/ml plus $6 shipping. That's highway robbery, even with a 10% off coupon code (ILOVEVAPORTALK)---$18.57 for two 10ml bottles.

Oh well, it's only money, as they say, and I'm glad to restock. Dulcis is a perennial Top 10 RY4 for me. One of the best "not-quite-Classic-but-darned-close" RY4s ever made. What with Custom RY4s getting more adventurous/outrageous every season, I'd probably put Dulcis into the Classic RY4 camp these days.

Anyway, I'm pleased that Dulcis is available again.

That's good news. Will have to order something.

 

[aggo]

Hello ry4 lovers! I just recently got into ry4s and now I can't stop ordering different ones. I'm officially addicted and wanted to stop by and ask for a recommendation from you guys, if you don't mind(sorry, I'm sure you guys get this on the daily). I am on the hunt for an ry4 that is sickly sweet. I want heavy caramel and light tobacco. Cake flavors are not frowned upon and neither is maple(but I prefer the caramel). So, what is the sweetest, most desert-like ry4 known to man? Thank you for your time!

If you really want a sickly sweet one try Velvet Vapors' Vanilla Caramel: Velvet Vapors - Vanilla Caramel Tobacco Flavor

Very heavy on the caramel. I can only take it in small doses or mixed with other juices.

 

[billherbst]

How do we tell whether an RY4 is Classic or Custom?

Defining Classic RY4s versus Custom RY4s is really not difficult. While certain RY4s may live in the gray zone between the two genres, most often the boundaries are clear and the genre to which a given RY4 belongs is obvious.

Numerous distinctions separate the two types. The first scalpel to cut them apart is country of origin. Classic RY4s tend to come from China. Not invariably, but usually. Custom RY4s, by contrast, are predominantly American. The whole development of Custom RY4s is a more recent phenomenon first created in America and pursued with enthusiasm by American juice-makers. Exceptions do exist, but they are more rare than one might assume. (Many American vendors sell Classic RY4s that are not labeled as Chinese, but are, in fact, made in China. The opposite is never true: Chinese vendors don't sell American-made juices. Period.)

Other distinctions are flavoring ingredients and brightness. Classic RY4s tend to use the Holy Trinity of flavor elements: tobacco, caramel, and vanilla. Custom RY4s often add extra flavor ingredients to this trio: nuts, cotton candy, maple, cocoa, etc. Also, Classic RY4s usually have a brighter flavor profile with a treble impact that might almost contain effervescence. They are sparkly, one might say slightly brassy. By contrast, Custom RY4s usually have a deeper or darker flavor profile that's heavier on the bass notes.

Another quality that distinguishes Classic from Custom RY4s is flavor balance. Classic RY4s tend toward balance between their flavor elements. The flavor profile isn't perfectly equal (which would be 33% each). Rather, the balance is nearly equal but slightly skewed. Caramel is usually a bit stronger than tobacco, and both are stronger than vanilla. The ideal Classic ratio might be 40% caramel, 35% tobacco, and 25% vanilla. Custom RY4s tend to play with and distort this ratio, usually in the direction of less balance. If an RY4 is vanilla-rich or has a stronger tobacco base, it's definitely Custom. Basically, whenever one flavor dominates the profile, that's a Custom RY4.

Tobacco is a further difference. In Classic RY4s, the tobacco base is always a mild and neutral synthetic tobacco flavoring that doesn't stand out. Instead, that tobacco base acts as a carrier for the other flavorings, supporting and enlivening them, while tending to disappear into the background. If the tobacco flavor is stronger in the mix, that's a dead giveaway of a Custom RY4.

Naturally-Extracted Tobacco flavorings (NETs) have been around for more than two years (initially begun by Vaperite, Want2Vape, and BackwoodsBrew), but recently NETs have begun to proliferate like wildfire as more and more artisan juice vendors experiment with in-house tobacco macerations to produce more authentic tobacco flavorings. NETs bear little resemblance to synthetic, lab-based tobacco flavorings. NETs taste like tobacco because they are made from real tobacco.

VapeRite, Want2Vape, and BackwoodsBrew all have offered RY4s made with NETs for years, but many of the newer NET juice vendors are now trying their hands at creating NET-based RY4s. Almost by definition, NET-based RY4s belong in the Custom genre, because NETs tend to have a distinctive taste that stands out more boldly in the mix. Again, that may not be true for every RY4 that uses NET as its tobacco base, but it is generally the case. Even if an NET-based RY4 isn't in the Stronger Tobacco category, it's usually still a Custom RY4 for other reasons. Since I've now sampled most of the NET-based RY4s currently on the market, I'm beginning to feel that NET-based RY4s might perhaps deserve a sub-genre all to themselves. Time will tell on that one. For the moment, all NET-based RY4s can be considered Custom.

Of all the distinctions between the two genres of RY4, flavor blending is the single most obvious difference. Classic RY4s use flavorings that harmonize well and tend to meld toward oneness. The end result is a more unified overall flavor experience. While the taste of a Classic RY4 may not be perfectly unified, it still leans in the direction of the the juice presenting itself as one flavor rather than three. A sensitive palate may be able to identify the individual flavors, but their taste isn't distinct or separate. In this, Classic RY4s are like a symphony or chamber orchestra, where the individual instruments blend, allowing the music itself to emerge purely.

Custom RY4s, on the other hand, tend to offer up their component flavors as distinctly separate tastes, often by emphasizing one flavor over others in the mix, but also sometimes by choosing component flavors that don't harmonize and instead tend to stand alone. In this, Custom RY4s are more like rock bands---guitar, bass, drums, and perhaps keyboards---where the very different tonalities of the various instruments play a crucial role in defining the very essence of the music. Symphony orchestras can't play rock and roll, no matter how hard they try, and rock bands can't play Beethoven. Well, they can, of course, and sometimes do, but they can't make the music sound like Beethoven intended.

 

[On Target]

I agree 100% with the NET assessment. My personal preference is with NET juices, not only RY4's but ANY juice. I guess that goes with the territory after 38 years of smoking. Last week I had the strongest urge for a cigarette that I have had since quitting last April. Guess what satisifed my craving? Not any of the synthetic tobacco's - only my assortment from Backwoods Brew stopped the strong craving. I had to chain vape for a couple of hours and that has not happened for months.

Bill, I would love to see NET's as their own category in "the Big List" as those are the ones I tend to re-order. One exception is Indigo Vapor - their synthetic tobacco is excellent and as close to NET as any I have found. I will be re-ordering from them soon!

 

[Jim Bob]

Please let us know IF it's still the same?

I got an email today announcing that the VaporTalkStore is back in business and restocked with all the VT eliquids. In balance, I regard that as good news, even though it's sort of a mixed blessing.

Although I don't vape RY4s for pleasure much anymore and don't really need the massive stash of RY4s that I have, VaporTalk Dulcis remains one of my all-time favorite RY4s. Since I was down to about 4mls left, I moseyed on over to the renewed site and ordered two more 10ml bottles. Yeesh. I knew in advance that I wouldn't like the sticker shock: 70¢/ml plus $6 shipping. That's highway robbery, even with a 10% off coupon code (ILOVEVAPORTALK)---$18.57 for two 10ml bottles.

Oh well, it's only money, as they say, and I'm glad to restock. Dulcis is a perennial Top 10 RY4 for me. One of the best "not-quite-Classic-but-darned-close" RY4s ever made. What with Custom RY4s getting more adventurous/outrageous every season, I'd probably put Dulcis into the Classic RY4 camp these days.

Anyway, I'm pleased that Dulcis is available again.

 

[billherbst]

Please let us know IF it's still the same?

J.B.,

I just comparison-vaped the Dulcis from the new bottle I just received with my nearly two-year-old Dulcis (purchased in May 2011).

I'm happy to report that they are identical. This is good news not only because it means that Dulcis is, in fact, available again, but also because it shows the durable longevity of at least some eliquids. Admittedly, I had only 3mls left of the old Dulcis, but it hadn't degraded at all and was still as flavorful and yummy as the new stuff. Even vapor production was identical.

Yay!

 

[billherbst]

Bill, I would love to see NET's as their own category in "the Big List" as those are the ones I tend to re-order.

On Target,

In the RY4 Category Groups post, there is now a category for NET-based RY4s. Just copy that, and you can then easily find all the NET RY4 vendors with links on The Big RY4 List.

I'll be posting an updated version of the RY4 data pages soon (The Big RY4 List, RY4 Category Groups, and RY4 Report Card), within a couple of days. That will contain all the NET-based RY4s that are currently available, at least as far as I know. The only one that might not be included will be MyVapeJuice Rogue RY4, simply because it's in transit to me now and will need a week to steep after I get it, so it'll probably miss the cut of the update.

 

[billherbst]

​

specs: The 10ml bottle of Gold Rising that was sent to me free by Ahlusion contains a gold-colored transparent liquid at 24mg nic strength in a 30/70 PG/VG blend. Nose of the juice is a quite pronounced but pleasing scent of sweet pipe tobacco, perhaps a Burley or Virginian blend (I’m not especially good yet at identifying unknown tobacco varietals.). I let the juice steep for four days after arrival, but since this is an NET-based RY4, additional steeping time might improve and refine the flavors. Testing was done both by dripping into a 1.8 ohm IKV io6 atty and loaded into a 2.0 ohm Boge XL carto, both powered by a VAMO set to 7 watts.

NET is an acronym meaning Naturally-Extracted Tobacco flavorings, as opposed to synthetic, lab-based tobacco flavorings, which comprise the vast majority (probably 98-99%) of the tobacco blend eliquids available in the marketplace.

Gold Rising is part of Ahlusion’s Non-Aromatic NET series. It is an NET hybrid, meaning that the tobacco flavoring is naturally-extracted, then augmented by the addition of other flavorings during mixing. What makes this an RY4 is the fact that caramel and vanilla are predominant among the additional flavors.

Below is the list of NET-based RY4s from the RY4 Category Groups page:

Ahlusion Gold Rising (in-house NET)
BackwoodsBrew RY4 (in-house NET, now discontinued and unavailable)
GoodEJuice GJ4 (in-house NET)
HighbrowVapor Highbrowbacco RY4 (NET, source unknown)
Mom&PopVaporShop RY4 (Tobacco Absolute)
Mom&PopVaporShop RY4v2 (Tobacco Absolute)
Mom&PopVaporShop RYO4 (Tobacco Extract, a derivative of Tobacco Absolute)
Moondrop RY4 (Tobacco Absolute)
MountainOakVapors Full Virginia Flake RY4 (in-house NET)
MyVapeJuice Rogue RY4 (in-house NET)
PrimeVaping PV4 (NET, unknown source)
QuickNicVapor RY4 (Tobacco Absolute, I think)
QuickNicJuice ouR whY Qu4tro (in-house NET)
VapeRite Organic VR4 (in-house NET)
Want2Vape RY4 (in-house NET)
​

Although the NET Category contains 15 RY4s, they clump naturally into three sub-groups.

1. The earliest NET-based RY4s, four of which appeared in 2010 through mid-2011. I believe (but cannot state with certainty) that VapeRite VR4 was first, followed by Want2Vape RY4, then BWB RY4, and finally PrimeVaping PV4. The youngest of this sub-group are GoodEJuice GJ4, from late 2011, and Highbrow RY4, from early 2012.

BackwoodsBrew RY4
GoodEJuice GJ4
HighbrowVapor Highbrowbacco RY4
VapeRite Organic VR4
Want2Vape RY4
PrimeVaping PV4
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2. RY4s using Tobacco Absolute or Tobacco Extract, which are commercially-produced ultra-concentrates made from Bulgarian tobacco. All these appeared in 2011.

Mom&PopVaporShop RY4
Mom&PopVaporShop RY4v2
Mom&PopVaporShop RYO4
Moondrop RY4
QuickNicVapor RY4
​

3. The new generation of NET-based RY4s, all of which have appeared very recently, within the last two months.

Ahlusion Gold Rising
MountainOakVapors Full Virginia Flake RY4
MyVapeJuice Rogue RY4
QuickNicJuice ouR whY Qu4tro
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These last four are of particular importance to The Really Big RY4 Roundup thread, because they represent the cutting edge in the evolution of RY4s. The new offerings from MOV and QNJ were reviewed recently, with Gold Rising being today’s subject. Rogue RY4 is in shipment to me now and will be reviewed within two weeks.

Imagine a “typical” (if we can use that term) Custom RY4---a really good one, such as Totally Wicked Patriot RY4---married to a potent and flavorful straight tobacco eliquid made with NET, and you have some idea of the taste experience provided by Ahlusion Gold Rising, MOV Full Virginia Flake RY4, and QNJ ouR whY Qu4tro. The mouthfeel is luscious, with strong tobacco flavor at the center, wrapped in rich caramel and creamy vanilla.

The instantaneous recognition---“Wow, RY4!”---provided by a beautifully blended Classic RY4, such as Janty RY4 DK, is largely missing here. One’s taste buds, palate, and brain are so immersed in the depths of tobacco that it takes awhile for the realization “Oh, this is an RY4!” to emerge. When it does, that thought is both a surprise and a bit of a shock. It’s followed by a second thought: “Wait, is this really an RY4?” and then a third: “I guess so.”

These juices are designed to be best appreciated as RY4s in long vaping sessions. A minute or two of vaping them just won’t do. The “RY4-ness” doesn’t register unless the brain is given ample time to adjust.

All Classic RY4s and even most Custom RY4s use a mild and neutral synthetic tobacco base specifically designed and mixed so as not to stand out. Instead, it supports the caramel and vanilla, blending with them into a single overall flavor experience. These newest NET-based RY4s turn that formula on its head. In these, the caramel and vanilla support the tobacco, sweetening and enriching it, but remaining as secondary players.

This is true of both MOV Full Flake Virginia RY4 and QNJ ouR whY qu4tro, but it’s most especially true of Ahlusion Gold Rising. More than any other RY4 I’ve ever tasted, Gold Rising demands an entirely different approach to enjoyment. One must accept (and love) the fact that this is tobacco, first and foremost, and allow the RY4-ness of the vape creep in gradually, at its own pace.

Held up against a Classic RY4 like Dekang, these three juices are wildly exotic and remarkably similar. Only when compared to each other do their distinct and individual differences become apparent. Of the three, MOV is the calmest and most easily accessible as an RY4, QNJ is the most assertive and potent in impact, and Ahlusion is definitely the richest and sweetest.

All three are amazing juices, with Gold Rising standing slightly above the others, in my opinion. This doesn’t mean that a particular vaper will necessarily like any of them. They are, quite frankly, acquired tastes that not every RY4-lover will appreciate. But then, not all art lovers appreciate Picasso, nor do all music lovers enjoy Stravinsky. But whether or not one likes the creations of these artists, their genius and profound historical impact on the art world is undeniable. The same is true of all three of these NET-based RY4s. They are game-changers, with Gold Rising setting the gold standard.

Ahlusion Gold Rising grade: A

Link to purchase: Ahlusion Gold Rising

 

[auTONYmous]

Just want to say, this is tears-of-joy-inducing, by far the most epic thread on any forum I've encountered to date. You guys all deserve an Internet Recognition on the front of Reddit or something. Amazing info in here.

I've been an on-again/off-again vaper since I joined the site in early 2010, and I managed to get my hands on an original, yr-old 10ml bottle of Dekang RY4 later that year. Took me 3 months to polish it off, and I've NEVER encountered anything as good since. It's also partly the reason I've been on-again/off-again vaping. Now I'm on-again, and looking for another "Dekang Classic"

I've had BWB RY4. Liked it, now it's gone. I've almost always bought from V4L, so seeing Jammin rate highly here is good news, as I DO like a lot of their juices (Smilin Special is a fave also).

The big question: V4L also sells an RY4 in their WOW line, and I don't see that reviewed here. Anybody tried it yet? How does it stack up against Jammin? Would either give the Janty DK a run for "classic"?

Edit: I've never tried either juice from V4L, as I'm just now buying new juices again after a 10-month hiatus, so I'm a bit out of the loop. Plus, I had a previous stock built up that I didn't need to buy new ones. But now I'm jonesing for an RY4 to get that old feeling back, like when I first started vaping, and I first quit analogs for a long while (until my RY4 was gone).

 

[passerbyeus]

V4L WOW RY4 is a ok RY4 its pretty much a classic style but the only issue I had with it is I am not to much into the base flavor profile of V4L has and thats why I like Jammin better because that is not there. If you want some older Dekang, Health Cabin would be the way just longer shipping times, but another option would be to get it from Goodejuice, I did not get to test both next to each other but its really close if not the same. BUT Janty DK RY4 is great stuff but costly on the USA site....so if your looking to bring up a vape affair you had from the past well that may be hard to do, I found and others have also becuz taste changes and so do ejuices at times.....lets us know how it goes and thanks for the questions...

 

[auTONYmous]

V4L WOW RY4 is a ok RY4 its pretty much a classic style but the only issue I had with it is I am not to much into the base flavor profile of V4L has and thats why I like Jammin better because that is not there. If you want some older Dekang, Health Cabin would be the way just longer shipping times, but another option would be to get it from Goodejuice, I did not get to test both next to each other but its really close if not the same. BUT Janty DK RY4 is great stuff but costly on the USA site....so if your looking to bring up a vape affair you had from the past well that may be hard to do, I found and others have also becuz taste changes and so do ejuices at times.....lets us know how it goes and thanks for the questions...

I was ABOUT to order some V4L Jammin, just to try it out, then decided to bite the bullet and grab a 20ml 24mg DK from Janty. What the hell, right? It's expensive, but still way cheaper than analogs. If it works, I'm setting up a huge stock-up order (like 10 bottles, or something in bulk if I can get them to do it that way) JUST to make sure I don't run out again.

GOOD GOOD GOOD!

Thanks again, guys! (Didn't mean to hijack the thread looking for a recommendation).