This is a very old post, but I'm a new member. Very extensive list! I'm also a new vapor, but have tried many flavors and RY4 is my absolute preferred preferrably! I only read through the OP, but just a vendor to add whose RY4 is absolutely amazing and I'm vaping it at 2wks+ steeped. Mister E's RY4!
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AuTONYmous,
Going for the original, first-ever Classic RY4 is a good choice for setting yourself up in RY4 Land.
If you're struggling with staying off analogs or just continuing with that fight, then you might consider ordering at least one bottle of an NET-based RY4. Any of the three reviewed above will do. They are much closer to true tobacco than any other Classic or Custom RY4s and may help stave off reaching for a cancer stick when your cravings act up.
Also, any juice made with Tobacco Extract will have an ashy component (many vapers hate that, but some ex-smokers love it). Mom&PopVaporShop RYO is a straight-tobacco juice made with TE, and M&P's RYO4 is their version of an RY4 made from that base. Again, that might help firm your resolve to stay off the analogs.
Good luck!
Going for the original, first-ever Classic RY4 is a good choice for setting yourself up in RY4 Land.
If you're struggling with staying off analogs or just continuing with that fight, then you might consider ordering at least one bottle of an NET-based RY4. Any of the three reviewed above will do. They are much closer to true tobacco than any other Classic or Custom RY4s and may help stave off reaching for a cancer stick when your cravings act up.
Also, any juice made with Tobacco Extract will have an ashy component (many vapers hate that, but some ex-smokers love it). Mom&PopVaporShop RYO is a straight-tobacco juice made with TE, and M&P's RYO4 is their version of an RY4 made from that base. Again, that might help firm your resolve to stay off the analogs.
Good luck!
Bobee,
Mister E's RY4 has been reviewed on the thread and is on The Big RY4 List. Below are links to the vendor page and my review post, in case you'd like to read my take on it. I rated Mister E's RY4 a B+ on the Big RY4 Report Card, for whatever that's worth.
Mister-E-Liquid MrEs RY4 - post #3125
Yep, that's what made me just go for the "classic", since that's what worked to get me off analogs the first time. And I liked BWB RY4, a NET-based RY4 (as you guys refer to it), though I'm not looking to duplicate that. I found it very "smokey", kinda deep with the tobacco flavor. Enjoyable, but not my all-day vape.
But, yeah, this time, I must cleanse the palate of analogs, then start going back in for the flavors. "Classic" RY4, Chocolate Mint-mixes, and certain mint/menthol types do that for me just fine. ( SOON TO BE ex-NewPort smoker)
I'll let you guys know how it works out for me. I think I'm gonna receive the Janty DK a day or two after a respectable piece of new kit shows up: Vision Spinner VV 650, with Kanger T3's@2.4ohm (putting my old MV Lux eGO knockoff out to pasture).
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If you order from the Janty Europe site its way cheaper, just takes longer to get it...
As I was reading another thread this evening (Dekang, Hangsen and Zainy in the General E-Liquid Discussion Forum), I read a post by ECF member MikeA5 that stated:
Ah, Frankenjuicing! One of my favorite pastimes. While there was nothing particularly revolutionary about Mikes choice of juices to combine, his post caught my attention. I had reviewed NiteLiteVapor Caramel Corral on this thread way back in December, 2011 (link here: post #961). Despite initially including Caramel Corral on The Big RY4 List, since it does contain all three of RY4s core ingredients---tobacco, caramel, and vanilla---eventually I changed my mind and chose not to include it for the same reason that I later excluded PinkSpot RY8. Both juices are essentially so caramel-rich that they become caramel-dominant and veer too far from the flavor profile of even Custom RY4s.
Reading MikeA5s post, however, I wondered how Caramel Corral would fare as an addition for a FrankenRY4. As one of the most Classic RY4s, the current version of Dekang is a bit leaner and less sweet than some---for instance, all the Janty RY4s are considerably sweeter than Dekang. Might the richness of Caramel Corral in both caramel and vanilla produce an interesting offspring?
To find out, I mixed up two small 6ml batches: the first in an 80/20 Dekang RY4/NLV Caramel Corral mix, as in Mikes post, and the other in a slightly more conservative 90/10 ratio.
Both Frankenjuice versions sweeten and enrich the Dekang profile considerably, while leaving undisturbed the essential RY4 character. The difference (in my opinion) is that the 90/10 mix remains Classic, although moving the Dekang into the Dessert category, while the 80/20 mix pushes the Dekang out of the Classic genre entirely and into Custom RY4 territory, since the careful balance and blending that are central to Classic RY4 is undone as the rich, sweet caramel steps more boldly into the limelight.
Although Caramel Corral is intensely flavorful, I was surprised by how much the Dekang is altered by even relatively small percentages (10% and 20%). Neither Frankenjuice version could possibly be mistaken for the original, unaltered Dekang RY4, which is much drier and nowhere near as luscious. The overall taste and mouthfeel are markedly different.
Not that Dekang RY4 needs to be altered. Given Dekang's lion share of the global juice market, I'm sure that Dekang RY4 is far and away the best-selling RY4 in the world, and for good reason. But the addition of such extra-rich caramel/vanilla is an interesting experiment, to say the least, especially for Dessert RY4 lovers.
If you have both juices on hand, try atty-dripping four drops of Dekang RY4 with one drop of Caramel Corral to see what you think.
I have some Dekang RY4 that I mix with NLV Caramel Corral (~80% RY4 and ~20% Caramel Corral) very good, but I don't like Dekang RY4 all by itself.
Ah, Frankenjuicing! One of my favorite pastimes. While there was nothing particularly revolutionary about Mikes choice of juices to combine, his post caught my attention. I had reviewed NiteLiteVapor Caramel Corral on this thread way back in December, 2011 (link here: post #961). Despite initially including Caramel Corral on The Big RY4 List, since it does contain all three of RY4s core ingredients---tobacco, caramel, and vanilla---eventually I changed my mind and chose not to include it for the same reason that I later excluded PinkSpot RY8. Both juices are essentially so caramel-rich that they become caramel-dominant and veer too far from the flavor profile of even Custom RY4s.
Reading MikeA5s post, however, I wondered how Caramel Corral would fare as an addition for a FrankenRY4. As one of the most Classic RY4s, the current version of Dekang is a bit leaner and less sweet than some---for instance, all the Janty RY4s are considerably sweeter than Dekang. Might the richness of Caramel Corral in both caramel and vanilla produce an interesting offspring?
To find out, I mixed up two small 6ml batches: the first in an 80/20 Dekang RY4/NLV Caramel Corral mix, as in Mikes post, and the other in a slightly more conservative 90/10 ratio.
Both Frankenjuice versions sweeten and enrich the Dekang profile considerably, while leaving undisturbed the essential RY4 character. The difference (in my opinion) is that the 90/10 mix remains Classic, although moving the Dekang into the Dessert category, while the 80/20 mix pushes the Dekang out of the Classic genre entirely and into Custom RY4 territory, since the careful balance and blending that are central to Classic RY4 is undone as the rich, sweet caramel steps more boldly into the limelight.
Although Caramel Corral is intensely flavorful, I was surprised by how much the Dekang is altered by even relatively small percentages (10% and 20%). Neither Frankenjuice version could possibly be mistaken for the original, unaltered Dekang RY4, which is much drier and nowhere near as luscious. The overall taste and mouthfeel are markedly different.
Not that Dekang RY4 needs to be altered. Given Dekang's lion share of the global juice market, I'm sure that Dekang RY4 is far and away the best-selling RY4 in the world, and for good reason. But the addition of such extra-rich caramel/vanilla is an interesting experiment, to say the least, especially for Dessert RY4 lovers.
If you have both juices on hand, try atty-dripping four drops of Dekang RY4 with one drop of Caramel Corral to see what you think.
In my review of Ahlusion Gold Rising from two days ago, I listed the NET Category of RY4s. I overlooked a couple, namely, the three RY4s from SpringVapor: Fall Harvest RY4, Black Label RY4, and Black Label RY4 - Day and Night.
In my juice database, those are all noted as NETs, although I don't know the type or source of the extract.
Unfortunately, the edit window for that post has vanished, so I'm left with awkwardly appending the original here. Oh well, better late than never.
In my juice database, those are all noted as NETs, although I don't know the type or source of the extract.
Unfortunately, the edit window for that post has vanished, so I'm left with awkwardly appending the original here. Oh well, better late than never.
Today my package of goodies from MyVapeJuice was delivered. Three 12ml bottles: Rogue RY4 in its retail juice version, plus two special gifts from Diane---Rogue RY4 Extract, and Savage Cocoa Blend Extract---all NETs. [Note: Rogue RY4 Extract is not currently available for sale. Thank you, Diane!]
A slight snafu was quickly apparent. I ordered Rogue RY4 retail juice in 24mg nic strength, but the bottle label stated 6mg (and tasted like it---no throat hit, at least not for me, since Im accustomed to 18-24mg). No problem. I poured the 12mls of 6mg Rogue RY4 into a 20ml bottle, added 4mls of 100mg 50/50 nic, 3mls of Rogue RY4 Extract, and 1ml of VG. Presto chango! 20mls of 24mg Rogue RY4 in a 60/40 PG/VG blend. My altered juice might not be perfectly identical to the retail version at 24mg that Diane would mix, but I'd be willing to bet that it's darned close. Close enough for gummint work, anyway.
other specs: The juice is a dark caramel color, neither cloudy nor opaque, but not perfectly transparent. The nose is indistinct, with only the slightest hint of a mild caramel scent. The juices born on date was listed as February 12th on the label, so its had six days to steep. Maybe not long enough for full bloom, but good enough for horseshoes. Anyway, I usually try my juices when they arrive. If I dont, how will I know whether steeping changed them and, if so, by how much? If I like a juice fresh, I keep vaping it. If I feel that something is missing or out of kilter, I put it away to steep. Either way, steeping happens, since I vape so many different juices daily that I never go through any one juice very quickly. Testing was done first by atty-dripping into a 1.8 ohm IKV i06 and then loaded into a 2.0 ohm BogeXL carto. Both methods were powered by a VAMO providing 8 watts RMS.
This is the last in the quartet of new NET-based RY4s that have recently become available, one each from Ahlusion (Gold Rising), MountainOakVapor (Full Flake Virginia RY4), QuickNicJuice (ouR whY qu4tro), and now MyVapeJuice (Rogue RY4). All four use 100% NET to flavor their tobacco bases, with extracts produced in-house by each vendor. Friends, that represents the State of the Art in tobacco flavorings for vaping. No synthetics, no Tobacco Absolute/Extract, and from macerations made using only the highest quality tobaccos. Right now, it doesnt get any tastier or more natural than that.
Let me state right off the bat that my particular batch of Rogue RY4 has one helluva throat hit, due no doubt to the 100mg nic from Wizard Labs that I used to bring it up to 24mg nic strength. Wow. Kicks like a mule. Perhaps this high impact will tone down a bit with steeping, but maybe not. Perhaps its just inherent in the juice mix.
Rogue is MyVapeJuices second RY4. The first was Our RY4, which used a synthetic tobacco base. As far as I can tell this is the same recipe, but with the substitution of the NET rather than synthetic tobacco flavoring. The difference is major. In Our RY4, the synthetic tobacco is silent, acting mainly as a carrier for the caramel and vanilla. In Rogue RY4, by contrast, the tobacco sings a soft but lovely tune. The balance is actually improved by the NET, which is unusual. Normally, the tobacco flavor in Net-based RY4s overwhelms the caramel and vanilla, or fights with them for center-stage.
Rogue was the second of four NETs that MyVapeJuice now offers. First was My Hero tobacco, followed by Rogue, then Savage, and most recently Country Squire. Of the three I have (all but Country Squire), Rogue is the mildest tasting extraction, which suits RY4 perfectly. As I wrote in a recent post, Classic RY4s typically use a mild and neutral tobacco that supports the caramel and vanilla, blending in rather than standing out. Many Custom RY4s use tobacco bases with a stronger flavor and presence. So, what we have with Rogue RY4 is a Custom RY4 (since all NET-based RY4s are Custom) whose overall flavor profile is closer to Classic than any of the other three NET RY4s I mentioned above and reviewed yesterday. The caramel in Rogue is deep and almost chewy rather than bright, rich, or sweet, and the vanilla is present but refined rather than potent. That caramel-vanilla mix in Rogue is similar in taste and feel to the same pair in MOV Full Flake Virginia RY4, but considerably less intense than uber-rich caramel-vanilla in QNJ ouR whY qu4tro.
Is Rogue's mild tobacco base a good or bad thing? Well, neither really, but it does help Rogue RY4 carve out a unique identity all its own. Because of the distinctiveness of their tobaccos, Ahlusion Gold Rising and QuickNic ouR whY qu4tro both push the envelope of traditional RY4 flavor profiles quite hard, taking it to extremes---they live way out on the wings of the RY4 bell curve. Rogue RY4 stays much closer to the center of the curve, making it the most accessible of these four new NET-based RY4s to the greatest number of vapers, with MOV Full Flake coming in a close second for accessibility. That may not thrill hard-core tobacco vapers who love exotic NETs, but it should please fans of more traditional RY4 in droves.
If I placed all four of these new NET-based RY4s on a linear scale of most normal/accessible to most exotic/unusual, Id put Rogue RY4 at the normal end, with Full Flake Virginia RY4 somewhere in the middle, and both Gold Rising and ouR whY qu4tro at the exotic end, making for a very nice spread between them from which a vaper can choose based on tobacco and/or RY4 preferences. At least one of these NET juices should please just about everyone who enjoys RY4.
MyVapeJuice Rogue RY4 grade: A-
link to purchase: Rogue RY4
A slight snafu was quickly apparent. I ordered Rogue RY4 retail juice in 24mg nic strength, but the bottle label stated 6mg (and tasted like it---no throat hit, at least not for me, since Im accustomed to 18-24mg). No problem. I poured the 12mls of 6mg Rogue RY4 into a 20ml bottle, added 4mls of 100mg 50/50 nic, 3mls of Rogue RY4 Extract, and 1ml of VG. Presto chango! 20mls of 24mg Rogue RY4 in a 60/40 PG/VG blend. My altered juice might not be perfectly identical to the retail version at 24mg that Diane would mix, but I'd be willing to bet that it's darned close. Close enough for gummint work, anyway.
other specs: The juice is a dark caramel color, neither cloudy nor opaque, but not perfectly transparent. The nose is indistinct, with only the slightest hint of a mild caramel scent. The juices born on date was listed as February 12th on the label, so its had six days to steep. Maybe not long enough for full bloom, but good enough for horseshoes. Anyway, I usually try my juices when they arrive. If I dont, how will I know whether steeping changed them and, if so, by how much? If I like a juice fresh, I keep vaping it. If I feel that something is missing or out of kilter, I put it away to steep. Either way, steeping happens, since I vape so many different juices daily that I never go through any one juice very quickly. Testing was done first by atty-dripping into a 1.8 ohm IKV i06 and then loaded into a 2.0 ohm BogeXL carto. Both methods were powered by a VAMO providing 8 watts RMS.
This is the last in the quartet of new NET-based RY4s that have recently become available, one each from Ahlusion (Gold Rising), MountainOakVapor (Full Flake Virginia RY4), QuickNicJuice (ouR whY qu4tro), and now MyVapeJuice (Rogue RY4). All four use 100% NET to flavor their tobacco bases, with extracts produced in-house by each vendor. Friends, that represents the State of the Art in tobacco flavorings for vaping. No synthetics, no Tobacco Absolute/Extract, and from macerations made using only the highest quality tobaccos. Right now, it doesnt get any tastier or more natural than that.
Let me state right off the bat that my particular batch of Rogue RY4 has one helluva throat hit, due no doubt to the 100mg nic from Wizard Labs that I used to bring it up to 24mg nic strength. Wow. Kicks like a mule. Perhaps this high impact will tone down a bit with steeping, but maybe not. Perhaps its just inherent in the juice mix.
Rogue is MyVapeJuices second RY4. The first was Our RY4, which used a synthetic tobacco base. As far as I can tell this is the same recipe, but with the substitution of the NET rather than synthetic tobacco flavoring. The difference is major. In Our RY4, the synthetic tobacco is silent, acting mainly as a carrier for the caramel and vanilla. In Rogue RY4, by contrast, the tobacco sings a soft but lovely tune. The balance is actually improved by the NET, which is unusual. Normally, the tobacco flavor in Net-based RY4s overwhelms the caramel and vanilla, or fights with them for center-stage.
Rogue was the second of four NETs that MyVapeJuice now offers. First was My Hero tobacco, followed by Rogue, then Savage, and most recently Country Squire. Of the three I have (all but Country Squire), Rogue is the mildest tasting extraction, which suits RY4 perfectly. As I wrote in a recent post, Classic RY4s typically use a mild and neutral tobacco that supports the caramel and vanilla, blending in rather than standing out. Many Custom RY4s use tobacco bases with a stronger flavor and presence. So, what we have with Rogue RY4 is a Custom RY4 (since all NET-based RY4s are Custom) whose overall flavor profile is closer to Classic than any of the other three NET RY4s I mentioned above and reviewed yesterday. The caramel in Rogue is deep and almost chewy rather than bright, rich, or sweet, and the vanilla is present but refined rather than potent. That caramel-vanilla mix in Rogue is similar in taste and feel to the same pair in MOV Full Flake Virginia RY4, but considerably less intense than uber-rich caramel-vanilla in QNJ ouR whY qu4tro.
Is Rogue's mild tobacco base a good or bad thing? Well, neither really, but it does help Rogue RY4 carve out a unique identity all its own. Because of the distinctiveness of their tobaccos, Ahlusion Gold Rising and QuickNic ouR whY qu4tro both push the envelope of traditional RY4 flavor profiles quite hard, taking it to extremes---they live way out on the wings of the RY4 bell curve. Rogue RY4 stays much closer to the center of the curve, making it the most accessible of these four new NET-based RY4s to the greatest number of vapers, with MOV Full Flake coming in a close second for accessibility. That may not thrill hard-core tobacco vapers who love exotic NETs, but it should please fans of more traditional RY4 in droves.
If I placed all four of these new NET-based RY4s on a linear scale of most normal/accessible to most exotic/unusual, Id put Rogue RY4 at the normal end, with Full Flake Virginia RY4 somewhere in the middle, and both Gold Rising and ouR whY qu4tro at the exotic end, making for a very nice spread between them from which a vaper can choose based on tobacco and/or RY4 preferences. At least one of these NET juices should please just about everyone who enjoys RY4.
MyVapeJuice Rogue RY4 grade: A-
link to purchase: Rogue RY4
By the way, when I initially reviewed QuickNicJuice ouR whY qu4tro back on February 6th, I wasn't sure what to make of it. At the time, I wrote that it was fine as an NET hybrid, but that I didn't know where it fit in RY4 Land. As a result, I didn't give a grade, pending further steeping. Well, twelve extra days of steeping and the comparison-vaping I did to write the NET-based RY4 reviews of yesterday and today have resolved my uncertainties.
QNJ ouR whY qu4tro is a compelling if eccentric RY4, and a delicious juice to boot. I give it a grade of B+ and recommend it without reservation.
I am, quite frankly, tremendously impressed by all four of these new NET-based RY4s and have graded them accordingly, with one A (for Gold Rising), two A- (for MOV Full Flake Virginia RY4 and MyVapeJuice Rogue RY4), and the B+ (for QNJ ouR whY qu4atro). Any differences between them in grading are less important than the uniformly high quality they all share. Bravo to all four vendors.
QNJ ouR whY qu4tro is a compelling if eccentric RY4, and a delicious juice to boot. I give it a grade of B+ and recommend it without reservation.
I am, quite frankly, tremendously impressed by all four of these new NET-based RY4s and have graded them accordingly, with one A (for Gold Rising), two A- (for MOV Full Flake Virginia RY4 and MyVapeJuice Rogue RY4), and the B+ (for QNJ ouR whY qu4atro). Any differences between them in grading are less important than the uniformly high quality they all share. Bravo to all four vendors.
I ordered 3 bottles of NET's from MOV (Full Virginia Flake RY4, Sunday Morning and Pendragon) and should have my order either tomorrow or the next day. Can't wait to try all three, especially the RY4.
I'm looking forward to all 4 of those new NET based RY4s Bill, most notably the Rogue and Gold Rising. I really like the vanilla and caramel flavor of MyVapeJuice's original RY4, so glad they are sticking to that recipe.
I've heard the Gold Rising goes for a honey tobacco taste instead of the holy trinity in order to mimic the original RY4, but can remember neither the source or the thread I read that. Can you enlighten me on any truth to that?
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I've heard the Gold Rising goes for a honey tobacco taste instead of the holy trinity in order to mimic the original RY4, but can remember neither the source or the thread I read that. Can you enlighten me on any truth to that?
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Jerms,
Yes, I too remember reading that Gold Rising was a honey tobacco, but I can't recall the source either. I can attest to the fact that Gold Rising is sweeter than the other three new NET-based RY4s, and there's definitely a honey taste to that sweetness. The tobacco is wonderful, of course (leave it to Ahlusion to see to that) and---unlike some honey-sweetened tobacco juices I've vaped in the past---the honey taste isn't cloying or over done, but just right. It whispers rather than screams.
As for substituting honey for the caramel and vanilla (assuming that's what Ahlusion did---I think it's possible that they merely cut back on the amount of caramel and vanilla, keeping them in the background), that may technically violate the standard profile of RY4s, but NET-based RY4s are Custom and push the flavor envelope anyway, so typical RY4 flavoring rules tend to go out the window.
The case could be made that Gold Rising should be considered a honey tobacco rather than a bonafide RY4, but it's so darn good that I don't really care. After twice reviewing AliceinVapeland's Ravyn, I chose to leave it off The Big RY4 List, in part because I wasn't sure AiV meant Ravyn to be an RY4, but also because its flavor profile was a bit too complex, which is a polite way of saying confused and somewhat muddy. One revelation about RY4s is that---even if many different ingredients are used in the mix---the end result of an RY4's flavor should be simple and clear. Gold Rising is clear as a bell.
Thanks for the info Bill. Ahlusion doesn't say on the website the specific flavors used, rather it says "our take on the original RY4 with improved flavor notes." My guess is they were looking to recreate the original flavor rather than tossing some caramel and vanilla into some tobacco and calling it RY4, and looked for flavorings that would help create that experience. I know you've mentioned the classics having brighter top notes, and can see honey being used to that effect. They also mention under Gold Rising "if you're looking for a neutral, all day vape" which makes me think of blending flavors to come together as a singular experience, rather than having strong flavors or letting certain flavors come to the front.
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I have to jump in here, ok if NETS are the tobacco base thats fine becuase a RY4 has tobacco even though it may not be a real tobacco like a NET, that is the purpose, but to go beyond the caramel and vanilla for a RY4 is just to much and to change that is not pushing the
envelope, but really making a juice that should not even be a RY4....a RY4 needs boundries or it takes away from the whole idea...and to add something other then the three to make a RY4 better is just
blasphemy
envelope, but really making a juice that should not even be a RY4....a RY4 needs boundries or it takes away from the whole idea...and to add something other then the three to make a RY4 better is just
blasphemy
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Jerms,
As I sit here at my desk with 120 RY4-loaded cartos in front of me, I can't think of any that have a distinct honey flavor (except Gold Rising, of course). One or two might exist, but I can't name them off the top of my head. Vapers---and that includes vendors---often toss around the term "original" RY4, and I wonder what they know or think they know about the actual history of RY4. Our research on The Really Big RY4 Roundup thread has revealed that Janty RY4 DK-Series was/is the "original, first-ever" RY4---created ad hoc on the spur of the moment in a production facility in China one fine day in 2007 by Ludo (one of Janty's owners) and a Dekang flavor chemist who were messing around with different flavorings, and after four tries came up with a juice that made them both say "Wow!" That's why it's called RY4, because it was the fourth version they made. And Ruyan (Chinese slang for "cigarette-like"), shortened to RY. Thus, RY4.
There's no honey in any Janty or Dekang RY4, at least none that my palate can discern. Please understand, I'm not saying that no Classic RY4s use honey flavoring, just that there's no inherent connection between honey and "the original RY4," no matter what's written on Ahlusion's web page.
I remember the six month run-up to IKV Gold RY4 coming out in 2011. ECF was all aflutter with scuttlebutt during that period about all the exhaustive research Isaac was doing to make sure that IKV Gold RY4 was a perfect replication of the "original" RY4 (presumably the "lost" Dekang RY4, which wasn't the original RY4, by the way). Then Gold RY4 came out and didn't taste much like any Janty or Dekang RY4, which have no nuttiness. Now, I happen to like nutty RY4s, but it's pretty obvious that the first wave of RY4s had no nuts, so, for all intents and purposes, IKV Gold was a Custom RY4. A terrific one, to be sure, but not even close to a replication of those early RY4s. Oh well, go figure.
As far as Gold Rising's on-site description as a "neutral all-day-vape"---I can certainly imagine Gold Rising being an all-day-vape for folks who like having an ADV, but neutral? Hardly. For my money, part of what distinguishes Ahlusion's entire juice line-up of tobacco blends, whether aromatic or not, is the absence of neutrality. And I mean that in a good way. I'm vaping Gold Rising right now---quite happily---but it's sure as heck not neutral to my palate. Delicious? Yes. Eccentric? Slightly, at least in its RY4-ness. But neutral? Nope.
I guess it's possible that in Ahlusion's universe Gold Rising is neutral, but not in mine. LOL.
Great info Bill. I have been guilty of repeating erroneous info I got that the original RY4 included a honey note. I'm curious why Ahlusion decided to use honey and if it's meant as a side note to the vanilla and caramel or if it's replacing them entirely.
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Me too. I'd love to know the component flavors in Gold Rising. I doubt that Wlad is sharing those secrets, and now that Mr.Mann has gone AWOL (for good reasons), we've lost our spy in the A+ camp. Oh well.
Wait. I go away for bloody ages and they go and release what is probably considered the orginal and the best (bar none) Ry4 ever... In Europe no less and I find out about this now! When did this happen!
I need, must, will order lots and lots.
Also hello again all, love that this threads still going and as popular as ever. Brillaint work all. As always Bill, steller work again sir.
I have to jump in here, ok if NETS are the tobacco base thats fine becuase a RY4 has tobacco even though it may not be a real tobacco like a NET, that is the purpose, but to go beyond the caramel and vanilla for a RY4 is just to much and to change that is not pushing the envelope, but really making a juice that should not even be a RY4....a RY4 needs boundries or it takes away from the whole idea...and to add something other then the three to make a RY4 better is just
blasphemy
That's your job, passer, to be the honest good cop on the beat who keeps important laws from being broken with too much wild abandon. Standards are meaningful as the bedrock of civilization, but even standards can and do change over time. That's why I "invented" the Classic versus Custom genres, to account for both tradition and evolution/revolution.
And you're right, course. If any combination of ingredients can be an RY4, then RY4 loses all essential meaning. Just calling some juice an RY4 doesn't make it so.
Have you tried Ahlusion Gold Rising? It's probably in the gray zone where we could reasonably argue in either direction ("Yes, it's an RY4" or "No, it's not an RY4"), but---having vaped about 5mls of Gold Rising over the past 48 hours---I do get enough "RY4-ness" from it to make me comfortable including Gold Rising on The Big RY4 List. I'm open to other views, however, from RY4 vapers who've tried Gold Rising and have an opinion about it.
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