The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

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passerbyeus

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I really dont mind if it was on or off just trying to see the difference at this point, I just have had nothing like both those juices and it hit me how they are almost the same and even smell the same....You really did not have break it down to a science but thank you , im just looking for an all together taste, kinda like hey this chocolate cream pie kinda taste like this chocolate moose pie.lol
 

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Has anyone ever read/seen a thread on "How many mil of juice do you currently own?" If not, I think that would be fun. Bill, if I start one, would you be my first poster?:)

Sure, Kat, but I wonder if that would scare away some other potential posters?
 

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Maybe a "How many different flavors do you have?" thread. I have about 1500 mls of about 150 flavors (best guess). My guess is bill has half that in RY4s.

Good guess, dude, but no cigar.

My current stash of RYx juices (all RYs and RY-variants) is 1,850mls of 86 different bottled juices (for example, Ikenvape Gold RY4 PG is a separate bottle from Ikenvape Gold RY4 VG).

Roughly 100mls of that total are loaded into about 50 labeled cartos with drip tips (for comparison tasting), with 200mls kept in labeled 1-dram glass dropper bottles for topping up. Plus, I have another 150 loaded and labeled cartos or tanks, with glass dropper top-up bottles for non-RY juices. In addition, I keep a detailed database on my iMac of all the vaping supplies I've ever bought from day one---every juice, PV, atty/carto, battery, drip tip, etc.---detailing dates, descriptions, vendors, sizes, cost, etc. Taken all together, all these add up to a boringly typical illustration of what any person with a modestly obsessive-compulsive temperament can and will do.

I figure that of the approximately 1,100mls of all commercial juices I have used (70% vaped versus 30% wasted in spills, tank leaks, bad DIY experiments, etc.) over the past 16 months, roughly 120mls of it have been RY4s and variants.

I'm also sure as shootin' that all those numbers would look paltry compared to certain other ECF members. For instance, my average juice consumption is about 3mls/day. Heck, many people vape more than that. Compared to true juice heavyweights, I'm just a minor leaguer. On the other hand, I've probably spilled more juice than some novice or part-time vapers have ever bought. LOL.

But then, at least I no longer smoke cigarettes...
 
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I sure like that number 1 on your personal current favorites list Bill :thumbs: I truly love this thread and value your opinion especially because I agree on the Goodejuice GJ4. And that was before I ever saw this thread. Glad I found the best one right away :p But bless your soul Bill I think I'd hate RY4 if I sampled this many. You are a wonder to behold...
 

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This post is partially a bump to get the RY4 thread back on page one of the subforum, but also to continue pursuit of the endless question: Just what is an RY4, anyway?

I read a post tonight that mentioned RY4 from mypvshop.com, so I went to the site to check it out. Turns out that what mypvshop sells is just regular Dekang RY4 (which has already been reviewed more than once). What interested me, however, was the product blurb written by the vendor:


“This is a very popular flavor on the forums. Descriptions vary dramatically but the most common are cotton candy-ish, toffee-ish, nutty-ish.”

Fascinating. No mention at all of Tobacco, Caramel, or Vanilla. Now, I don’t give mypvshop any special authority concerning RY4s, nor do I intend to throw out our three existing guideline flavor components, but it certainly goes to show you how little agreement there is about RY4s.

Also, I was rooting around one of my juice drawers looking for a certain liquid and stumbled across a 5ml sample bottle of English Toffee Tobacco from ECBlend, which immediately reminded me of our recent debate here concerning ECSI Toasted Toffee. So, I grabbed the bottle from the drawer where it's been steeping for months and did a little comparison tasting. Guess what? ECBlend English Toffee Tobacco tasted like, well, toffee candy mixed with a bit of synthetic tobacco---nothing at all like an RY4, and not even remotely like Toasted Toffee, which continues to taste (to me) just like a classic RY4, or, at the very least, very similar to one.

Not that I intend to reverse my decision and return Jane’s ECSI Toasted Toffee to the Big List, but it sure does leave me thinking, “hmmm…”

Sometimes I feel that we’re floating down the RY4 river without so much as a paddle.
 

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specs: Albert at NewEraVaping sent me a 3ml sample bottle of NewEra’s RY4 for review. The liquid is a very dark caramel color, still transparent but heading down the road toward opaque. It is among the darkest-colored RY4s I’ve vaped. The base is 50/50 PG/VG, and nic strength is 18mg. Tasting was done by dripping into a bonut-modified 1.5 ohm Joye LR306 atty driven by a Buzz Pro set to various voltages from 3.4V to 4.6V, producing power outputs ranging from 7 to 11 watts.

First, the easy part. Is NewEraVaping RY4 a classic or custom RY4? Custom all the way, without anything suggesting classic formulation.

Now the hard part. What’s the taste profile? Here’s the description from the NewEra 3ml ordering page for RY4 (each bottle size---3ml, 5ml, 10ml, 20ml, and 60ml---has its own page): “A sweet, nutty flavor with a hint of tobacco.” As it turns out, I don’t agree with that description, as will become obvious momentarily.

The nose of this juice is very slight, but pleasant, with the merest whiff of what my nose wants to call caramel. Upon taking a drag, the inhale is tobacco and nuttiness---and definitely more than just a hint. I found the tobacco very distinctive and quite potent, which is a surprise in an RY4, and (for me) a pleasurable one. This is a rich and smoky tobacco flavor, but it stops short of tasting ashen. The tobacco is wrapped in nuttiness, which is nothing like the “mystery peanut” of a DK-TAB. It’s more like pecan or walnut, or a mixed nut flavor. Deep and dark.

While the vapor is in the lungs, the other flavors in the ensemble emerge, but only in the background, without asserting themselves. Rather than obvious flavors, they seem to add ethereal harmonies, almost like reverb for a guitar or vocal. I don’t claim to know what those other flavorings are, since none identified itself to my palate. I would guess at caramel, but as to whether there is vanilla, I simply can’t tell. Possibly. Or maybe it’s marshmallow. I don’t know. The description says only “sweet,” which is curious.

The curiosity around sweetness lies in its relative absence. The juice in my sample bottle is slightly sweet, but not much. Not only is the NewEra RY4 I vaped not a dessert juice, but it’s actually the least sweet, most tobacco- and nut-dominant RY4 I’ve ever vaped. These three qualities---strong tobacco, distinct nuttiness, and very little sweetness---mark it as unique, and leave NewEra RY4 playing in a league all its own, as an unusual and darkly exotic specimen. For those accustomed to classic RY4s, this juice will come as a jolt, and perhaps an acquired taste. I don’t yet know whether I like it or not, but it has my attention.

With the RY4, Albert also included a 3ml sample bottle of NewEra’s signature tobacco blend, called New Era (which is like the old joke, “The Dept. of Redundancy Dept.”). Although the same dark caramel color as the RY4, the New Era was brighter to my palate, with a slightly fruity sweetness that enlivened it. I might say that New Era is entertaining, while NewEra’s RY4 is deeply meditative and more serious.

If you’re tired of generic RY4 clones, you might try NewEra RY4. It’s definitely not run-of-the-mill. Many of the RY4s I’ve reviewed since autumn have been custom recipes that pushed the envelope of what an RY4 is or can be, and NewEra RY4 continues that revolution by moving the boundaries further than any RY4 I’ve vaped thus far.

Category Groups: Stronger Tobacco, Nutty, Distinctive (atypical)

Link: NewEraVaping RY-4

New Info Note: Albert just PM'd me that the New Era flavor is not only NewEra's signature tobacco blend (as described on the NewEra web site), but is also "...our own little twist on the RY4." Aha! In my first draft of the review, I wrote that the New Era juice tasted to me more like an RY4 than their RY4 did, but I took out that sentence, thinking that my taste buds must be screwy. Now I know why Albert sent me the New Era sample in the first place, and why my taste buds responded as they did. Also, I can now openly affirm my personal preference for the New Era juice because it's a little brighter and sweeter than the darkly intense RY4. I'll happily include New Era in the Big List and under the same Category Groups as the RY4.

Link: NewEraVaping New Era
 
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When things calm down (financially) I really want to check out some of your higher ranked RY4s, every time I read this thread it gets me pumped about this particular flavor profile. So far I've only tried M+P RY4v2, not your highest ranked but it seemed like a decent place to start for me. RY4v2 is holding strong in my #2 spot just below V4L Wowboy, and slightly above M+P Tobacco Praze. It's just one of those flavors I'm never unhappy to pull out of my pocket. Really appreciate all the thought and work that has gone into this so far, and hope to one day contribute something of my own.
 

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have you tried the Genesis RY4? It's from Gecigarette.co.uk, and it's a quite good RY4 (superior to dekang's RY4 in my opinion).

As for the Janty on #1.. That's really where it should be. The Classic/Elixir label is fantastic, I prefere the Elixir one, as it's more sweet IMO :D
 

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have you tried the Genesis RY4? It's from Gecigarette.co.uk, and it's a quite good RY4 (superior to dekang's RY4 in my opinion).

valtergomes,

No, I haven't tried it. I don't generally frequent the UK/European sites, because shipping to the US is expensive. The only UK juice I've vaped is Dekang RY4 Intense (from VapourWorldUK), a sample of which was sent to me by the thread's resident UK juice authority, ECF member zombitedesade. It's a good bet that he's tried the Genesis RY4.
 

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I got my hands on some of Vaperite's RY4 and am totally in love with it. It's definitely at the top of my list right now along with 555.

mercurial,

As I'm sure you know, Vaperite has two versions of RY4. What Todd calls RY4 Tobacco is VR's more standard, classic formulation, while VR4 is the obviously custom variation with its over-the-top gooey caramel.

Vaperite RY4 Tobacco is certainly a solid citizen of RY4 Land (and worthy of your affection), but VR4 is among my personal all-time favorites. I find VR4's richness wonderfully exotic and unique among caramel-tobacco blends, although NiteLiteVapor's Caramel Corral has joined the fray recently to provide a different but equally unusual alternative among caramels.

Todd is not only an artisan juice-master, but a true pioneer in organic flavorings and natural tobacco extracts, along with Donley at Want2Vape, Don at BackwoodsBrew, and Fred at VapetheRockies. Now we have many more choices as the ranks of organic/natural extract vendors swell, including PrimeVaping, GoodEJuice, Mom&PopVaporShop, VirginVapors, Moondrop, Highbrow, etc.
 

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Bill,
This thread is one of my favorites on ECF! I've learned a lot from reading it. I've been vaping for about a year now. Since I started reading this thread I've tried close to a dozen RY4's. It seems I've gravitated to the natural tobacco extracts. Mom & Pop probably being my favorite vendor for ejuice up to this point. So far my favorite RY4's are: Mom & Pop's RY4v2, Vaperite's VR4, Primevaping's PV4 and IKenvape's RY4 Gold (PG). I enjoy NLV Caramel Coral a lot (although not on the RY4 list anymore).
I am grateful for all the enjoyment and knowledge I've gained from this thread. I'll continue sampling many others in the future that I've not tried yet.
Thanks again for all the effort that you have put into this RY4 list.
 

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So far my favorite RY4's are: Mom & Pop's RY4v2, Vaperite's VR4, Primevaping's PV4 and IKenvape's RY4 Gold (PG). I enjoy NLV Caramel Coral a lot (although not on the RY4 list anymore).

Mike,

Our palates must be similar. Three of your four favorites---VR4, PV4, and IKV RY4---are in my Personal Top 10 RY4s. The other (m&p RY4v2) is near the top of my second ten.

As you know, nlv Caramel Corral did a "now you see it, now you don't" disappearing act from the list. It's a very interesting, unique caramel, but I came to feel that the overall flavor profile wasn't close enough to RY4 to justify a place on the Big List. Total judgment call, of course, since we have no true "objective" criteria to apply.
 
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