The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

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Cool_Breeze

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I did about 6% just to shake and vape, it made need around 10% for steep time...

I emailed Flavor Envy for their thoughts...

"It really depends on the flavoring <Cool_Breeze>.

Most flavors you can start around 15% but some flavors like Fruity COPYRIGHTDMCA, Gummi Bears need to be way down around 5% to start as they contain some citrus oils in the natural extracts and you will get a huge over-powering taste on it.

In general, anything but FP, GB, Mints, Menthols and tobaccos should be around 15%. I’d start 10% in the tobacco flavors and adjust from there.

Make sure you warm your e-liquid before shaking it to fully incorporate all your components and decrease steeping time.

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Sam
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specs: The 10ml bottles of RY4 and Tribeca flavoring concentrates I purchased from FlavorEnvy contain clear, transparent liquids whose ingredients are listed as “natural/artificial flavorings and PG.” I mixed each into DIY liquid using 10% flavoring at 12mg nic in an overall blend of 60/30/10 (60% PG, 30% VG, 10% distilledwater, the so-called “German” eliquid base). I then quick-steeped each liquid in a hot water bath. Testing was done by dripping into a 1.5 ohm Joyetech 510LR atomizer powered by a Vision Spinner clone battery set to 4.1 volts (for 11 watts).

As with eliquid reviews in general and, in particular, reviews of home-made juices using DIY flavorings, assessment is difficult because of the many variables---percentage of flavoring used, base blend, nic content, age (fresh, quick-steeped, or slow-steeped, and how long?)---that can and often do affect the overall vaping experience of the DIY liquid. Add to this the widely divergent range of individual flavor preferences, which is sometimes almost mind-boggling, and one must take all reviews with a grain of salt. Your reaction might parallel mine, or it might differ---a little, substantially, or even wildly.

I’m not worried about the base blend or nic content with these, but the flavoring percentage and steeping are definite concerns. I don’t have 10 different samples of each DIY juice using different percentages of flavoring at many ages of maturity, so I’ll go with what I have---quick-steeped liquids made with 10% flavoring. Keep in mind, however, that more or less flavoring and longer steeping could change the juices (and my opinions about them) for better or worse.


FlavorEnvy RY4 (DIY):
FE RY4 has the Classic RY4 quality of presenting a unified single flavor in the vape experience. I can’t pick out the tobacco, caramel, or vanilla as individual flavors, but the combination is recognizable as an RY4. On the other hand, this juice doesn’t have the brightness of a Classic RY4. It feels like a Custom, so that's what I'll call it, a Custom RY4. There seems to be a substantial pine note, along with a “bread-like” taste that my brain wants to call Acetyl Pyrazine. It may not be AP, but, whatever it is, the effect is similar. I suppose it could be a nutty element, but that's not how my brain sees it. In any case, I find the bread-like element distracting, and I wish it weren't present.

As I'm sure you can tell, I’m not in love with this flavoring. As an RY4, it’s average at best. Once I’m done with this review, I doubt that I’ll vape it again, except to see if steeping time alters it for the better.


FlavorEnvy Tribeca (DIY):
I’m slightly surprised that FlavorEnvy Tribeca does bear some resemblance to Halo’s retail Tribeca. Sort of. No, it doesn’t replicate Halo Tribeca, but it does lean in a similar direction, enough so that I don’t mind that FlavorEnvy named it “Tribeca.” (I thought I might obect to that.) If I want Tribeca, however, I’ll always reach for Halo Tribeca, not this.

Like FlavorEnvy RY4, Tribeca has a bread-like element in the flavor profile. I don’t find it as strong or as distracting in Tribeca as I did in FE RY4, however.

OK, how good is this juice as an RY4? Let me put it this way: I like FE Tribeca much better than FE RY4. I could see myself vaping this DIY juice, although it won’t challenge any of the top-rated DIY RY4 flavorings on The Big List. Still, having so many superb RY4s from which to choose, I doubt that I'll be vaping FE Tribeca much if at all.


[Note: I also sampled both of these DIY juices at 15% flavoring. While the taste of each juice was intensified, the overall character and flavor profile of each remained the same. I feel that less is probably better in this instance, so I’ll stick with a 10% recommendation. As always, YMMV.]

FlavorEnvy RY4 flavoring concentrate grade: C-
link to purchase: RY4 flavoring from FlavorEnvy

FlavorEnvy Tribeca flavoring concentrate grade: B-
link to purchase: Tribeca flavoring from FlavorEnvy

After a couple of months, I’ll revisit each of the sample bottles I made up and reviewed here to see if long-term steeping produces any effects. If so, I’ll amend these reviews accordingly.
 
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Bill, any updates on the steeped "Billwoods Brew"? I've been thinking about ordering the flavoring to give it a try.

I just arty-dripped some of my small bottle of "Billwoods Brew" that's been steeping since I created it on December 28th, almost a month ago. Results are not encouraging. Steeping has altered the Chinese pine nut flavoring I bought from EcigExpress, significantly reducing the pine flavor and increasing the nut flavor. The DIY juice isn't dreadful now, it's just not as much like BWB RY4 as it was when I first mixed it. BWB RY4 is much more "piney" and has no nuttiness.

I guess we need a pine flavoring that's more straight ahead pine. None of the usual vaping flavoring vendors stocks anything of that nature. Unfortunately, searches for "pine" at all the DIY flavoring sites turns up nothing but "pineapple."

Maybe that's why Don at BWB discontinued his RY4 in the first place. Perhaps he couldn't find a reliable source for the pine flavoring in BWB RY4.
 
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I just did a Google search for "pine flavoring" and came up a number of different varieties from Nature's Flavors: Pine Flavor, and Pine Smoke Flavor. Both flavors are available in organic or non-organic, with or without diacetyl, and as flavoring concentrates or pure extracts. Between the pine and pine smoke flavors, I'd lean toward the straight pine, although the pine smoke could conceivably complement the tobacco flavor in an RY4. The only way to judge that would be to try both.

These are available from the Nature's Flavors web site. None of the vaping flavoring vendors that carry a selection of Nature's Flavors have either. (That may mean that these extracts aren't designed for vaping. I just don't know. I do know that when Nature's Flavors started out in 2011, they advised using the extracts rather than the flavor concentrates for flavoring eliquid. I don't know what their position is now) .

Unfortunately, the smallest size one can order is a 2 oz. bottle (60ml), which will set you back $11.95 before shipping for the Organic Pine Extract without Diacetyl. That's a little more than I want to spend on a wild goose chase.

Anyway, here's the link:

Organic Pine Extract without Diacetyl from Nature's Flavors
 

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An excellent thread.

I'm a big fan of Jon Wayne by Uncle Junk's but found it lacks the throat hit I need due to the high vg content.

I'm now vaping RY ..... by Chefs Vapour but it lacks the full bodied flavour of the Jon Wayne (I'm assuming its cause of the lower vg)

I'll definitely be ordering some of the juices mentioned on this thread.
Thank you all very much for your input:)
 

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I just did a Google search for "pine flavoring" and came up a number of different varieties from Nature's Flavors: Pine Flavor, and Pine Smoke Flavor. Both flavors are available in organic or non-organic, with or without diacetyl, and as flavoring concentrates or pure extracts. Between the pine and pine smoke flavors, I'd lean toward the straight pine, although the pine smoke could conceivably complement the tobacco flavor in an RY4. The only way to judge that would be to try both.

These are available from the Nature's Flavors web site. None of the vaping flavoring vendors that carry a selection of Nature's Flavors have either. (That may mean that these extracts aren't designed for vaping. I just don't know. I do know that when Nature's Flavors started out in 2011, they advised using the extracts rather than the flavor concentrates for flavoring eliquid. I don't know what their position is now) .

Unfortunately, the smallest size one can order is a 2 oz. bottle (60ml), which will set you back $11.95 before shipping for the Organic Pine Extract without Diacetyl. That's a little more than I want to spend on a wild goose chase.

Anyway, here's the link:

Organic Pine Extract without Diacetyl from Nature's Flavors

Good point you bring up. Took a quick look on their site and see they state that…

Should I use and extract or concentrate? Nature's Flavors' Organic Flavor Extracts and Organic Flavor Concentrates are both certified organic, all natural and water soluble. Flavor Concentrates, however, have a cloudy/opaque look to them while the extracts are clear. This is not because the concentrates are any less pure, but concentrates are set in a gum acacia base, while extracts are set in an alcohol base.

I'll have to check my inventory but believe all I have are ecigexpress concentrates. What's the diff B in your opinion?

Thx.

Good luck.

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I'll have to check my inventory but believe all I have are ecigexpress concentrates. What's the diff B in your opinion?

Mac,

EcigExpress sells 70-some flavorings by Nature'sFlavors, but nothing is mentioned on the product pages about whether the selections are concentrates or extracts. By contrast, on the Nature'sFlavors web site, each flavor has different listings for concentrates versus extracts.

I have 28 bottles of NF flavorings---14 from EcigExpress and 14 from HighDesertVapes. All have been rebottled and relabeled by the respective retail vendor, and none of the labels specifies whether the contents are concentrates or extracts. I guess you could email EcigExpress (or HighDesertVapes) and ask which kind they sell and why.

A small number of my NF bottles have liquids that show the white cloudiness. I'm glad to learn that they haven't gone bad, because I did wonder about that.

[As an aside, one of the doctors who is very involved in researching the health effects of eliquids and flavorings recommends (in a video I saw on YouTube) using only artificial flavorings in eliquids rather than organic extracts, because he fears that the biological compounds from organic extracts may deteriorate inside the lungs, with potentially negative long-term repercussions. I hope he's wrong, because I haven't followed that advice yet.]

[EDIT: I just looked at a bunch of NF flavoring product pages on EcigExpress and HighDesertVapes, and ethyl alcohol was the first ingredient listed in each on EE, with ethyl alcohol second---behind water---on HDV. That makes me think that all the NF flavorings sold by both those vendors are probably extracts rather than concentrates, especially since gum acacia wasn't listed among the ingredients for any of those I checked. By contrast, the ingredients lists for all the concentrates sold on the Nature'sFlavors home site read: "water, gum acacia, natural flavors, citric acid."]
 
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I tried J-Vapes Pursuit of Happiness Black Label which is Max VG 3mg. I ordered a 120ml bottle of it and the first 30-40mls were actually pretty good. I bought some CaRnY4 by G2 to try so I put the J-Vapes in the steep closet. Well, after a couple of weeks I decided to go back to the J-Vapes and the taste has completely changed. IMHO it tastes like crap. I dont know what happened to it but it reminds me of tomato soup. I cant vaped it..Absolute crap. I bought it around Christmas so its probably 6-7 weeks old. Its been stored in a cool, dark closet. Gonna dump it unless something drastically changes in the flavor profile..Also, The G3 is good but not what I consider a RY4. Its flowery and I dont get the caramel and vanilla from it. I also tried Butterflys Custom Juices RY4 and I dont know what the hell they were going for. Tastes and smells like perfume. Gross. Left it without the cap on to allow it steep and maybe some of the perfume smell would burn off but so far that has no happened. Getting sick of chasing the perfect RY4. Just ordered a bottle of Eureka Juice's Hopscotch so that will next on my quest for the ultimate RY4
 

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Mac,

EcigExpress sells 70-some flavorings by Nature'sFlavors, but nothing is mentioned on the product pages about whether the selections are concentrates or extracts. By contrast, on the Nature'sFlavors web site, each flavor has different listings for concentrates versus extracts. Yes saw that and appreciate the mention here on this thread.

I have 28 bottles of NF flavorings---14 from EcigExpress and 14 from HighDesertVapes. All have been rebottled and relabeled by the respective retail vendor, and none of the labels specifies whether the contents are concentrates or extracts. I guess you could email EcigExpress (or HighDesertVapes) and ask which kind they sell and why. Difficult and confusing based on some of the references on EE's website.

A small number of my NF bottles have liquids that show the white cloudiness. I'm glad to learn that they haven't gone bad, because I did wonder about that. It's all good, lol. Nopes, all good.

[As an aside, one of the doctors who is very involved in researching the health effects of eliquids and flavorings recommends (in a video I saw on YouTube) using only artificial flavorings in eliquids rather than organic extracts, because he fears that the biological compounds from organic extracts may deteriorate inside the lungs, with potentially negative long-term repercussions. I hope he's wrong, because I haven't followed that advice yet.] Love to see it if you happen upon it again Bill.

[EDIT: I just looked at a bunch of NF flavoring product pages on EcigExpress and HighDesertVapes, and ethyl alcohol was the first ingredient listed in each on EE, with ethyl alcohol second---behind water---on HDV. That makes me think that all the NF flavorings sold by both those vendors are probably extracts rather than concentrates, especially since gum acacia wasn't listed among the ingredients for any of those I checked. By contrast, the ingredients lists for all the concentrates sold on the Nature'sFlavors home site read: "water, gum acacia, natural flavors, citric acid."]

I think you're on the money with your observation Bill on the [EDIT]. This page and my prior link (are) ambiguous though stating...These unique flavor concentrates. Right, I haven't had any flavorings goin' back a year go bad per se. However, some notably caramels have seemed to lose potency. Mostly stuff for my personal DIY. I do just a few volume recipes for teams of interns and hardware demo's I do as part of my research study. Still I'll be taking a better look at the composition for NF here on out but…like you I'm not givin' up naturals or organics anytime soon, tell ya that.

Thanks for the quick comeback.

You take care B and g'luck.

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I tried J-Vapes Pursuit of Happiness Black Label which is Max VG 3mg. I ordered a 120ml bottle of it and the first 30-40mls were actually pretty good. I bought some CaRnY4 by G2 to try so I put the J-Vapes in the steep closet. Well, after a couple of weeks I decided to go back to the J-Vapes and the taste has completely changed. IMHO it tastes like crap. I dont know what happened to it but it reminds me of tomato soup. I cant vaped it..Absolute crap. I bought it around Christmas so its probably 6-7 weeks old. Its been stored in a cool, dark closet. Gonna dump it unless something drastically changes in the flavor profile..Also, The G3 is good but not what I consider a RY4. Its flowery and I dont get the caramel and vanilla from it. I also tried Butterflys Custom Juices RY4 and I dont know what the hell they were going for. Tastes and smells like perfume. Gross. Left it without the cap on to allow it steep and maybe some of the perfume smell would burn off but so far that has no happened. Getting sick of chasing the perfect RY4. Just ordered a bottle of Eureka Juice's Hopscotch so that will next on my quest for the ultimate RY4

I haven't tried any of these except the Butterfly's. And it's my favorite RY4! It's the only juice I order from them and I order 120-240 mls at once. Just goes to show how subjective these things are. Keep sampling, I'm sure you'll find one you love!
 
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