The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

[billherbst]

Has anyone seen orgedog? Did he vape his self to death.....or maybe he bought so much juice he could not pay his internet bill or maybe he got caught taking his neighbors internet or maybe one of his on reviews did him in hahahaha

passer,

Nope. Maybe I offended him with my orangutan-orangutang misunderstanding. His last post here was six days ago, and his last post anywhere on ECF was three days ago. He's gone AWOL and is MIA.

Ok this is off the RY4 subject but I am going to rant on these rebuildable attys etc.. things, I guess to me the purpose would be to save money just like back in the analog days when I knew people would roll cigs themself, this stuff reminds me of when I started vaping and my deal was is that I just wanted to vape, I did not want to have to tinker with stuff to get it to work right, to me thats just time and money, I have dumped so much money on crap that just did not work right and still today I try new things but not as bad as I used to. I really dont think there is anything easier then a cartos you fill and go but I dont like doing it but it just seems the best option. People do all these reviews and say how great these things are but yet a week later you see another review explaining how you must make a adjustment or cut a tube etc.....you know what.... I spent money on this crap it should work with out a adjustment, thats what killed me about gotvapes when they first started, they had all those clear carts saying how new and improved they are and come to find out it was the same crap no wicking!! and now its not just gotvapes everyone is selling these things that just does not wick right, if people want to waist money on things they have to play around with to get them to work then good luck with that, I will stick to my dual coils and keep on vaping. Maybe I will find something that works just as good as a cartos but I am not going to buy something that I have to make work it will go in the trash ....

I feel pretty much the same way you do about the accelerating craze for rebuildable atties. Not for me.

The whole tank thing makes me shake my head. Vivi Novas? From what I've read, the replaceable coils last about a week before they pop, and then you have put on (or make) a new one. And the prices on some of this stuff! I don't care how great it is, $50 for an atty that you have to mess with all the time is too steep for me.

Yeah, I've bought a bunch of Kanger T2s and replacement heads, and I sort of like them, but Boge and/or SmokTech single-coil cartos are less than a buck from some vendors, and they're really hard to beat for a satisfying vaping experience. I'm willing to pay $2 each for an Ultimate CE2, and five bucks for a decent atty is OK, but past that it gets dicey for me.

Awhile back, I was gifted with a $22 Avid HH357 atty by a poster on the thread, and I'll admit that it was the best atomizer I ever used. Smooth as silk, and it brought out flavor in juices I didn't even know was there. I used it in one of my bottom-feeders. When it died at three months, I had to decide whether to buy another. I chose not to. Why? Because it's not 22 times as good as a Boge carto. It's not even twice as good. Maybe 50% better, but I don't always feel like vaping from a bottom-feeder.

Equipment has improved markedly since I began vaping in October of 2010. But all the buzz about latest and greatest, new and improved, yadayada is too often just marketing hype. And yes, GotVapes is a prime offender of always hyping their products to the sky. But, as you note, they are far from alone in that.

I'm not suggesting that people shouldn't go ahead and by the newest stuff if they are so inclined. Lord knows I've spent enough on vaping toys in two years to outfit a small army. But you gotta draw the line somewhere. For me, that line is just this side of wrapping my own coils.

 

[sandybeach]

So being that the term "not too proud to beg" comes to mind, I have a long over due RY4 coming I have high hopes on this one, the vendor has been around a long time....

Has anyone seen orgedog? Did he vape his self to death.....or maybe he bought so much juice he could not pay his internet bill or maybe he got caught taking his neighbors internet or maybe one of his on reviews did him in hahahaha




Ok this is off the RY4 subject but I am going to rant on these rebuildable attys etc.. things, I guess to me the purpose would be to save money just like back in the analog days when I knew people would roll cigs themself, this stuff reminds me of when I started vaping and my deal was is that I just wanted to vape, I did not want to have to tinker with stuff to get it to work right, to me thats just time and money, I have dumped so much money on crap that just did not work right and still today I try new things but not as bad as I used to. I really dont think there is anything easier then a cartos you fill and go but I dont like doing it but it just seems the best option. People do all these reviews and say how great these things are but yet a week later you see another review explaining how you must make a adjustment or cut a tube etc.....you know what.... I spent money on this crap it should work with out a adjustment, thats what killed me about gotvapes when they first started, they had all those clear carts saying how new and improved they are and come to find out it was the same crap no wicking!! and now its not just gotvapes everyone is selling these things that just does not wick right, if people want to waist money on things they have to play around with to get them to work then good luck with that, I will stick to my dual coils and keep on vaping. Maybe I will find something that works just as good as a cartos but I am not going to buy something that I have to make work it will go in the trash ....

Oh Passer, I so agree with you. I am on the quest for tinker-free vaping. Same with my cell phone. I started another thread about Android and we started talking about rooting phones. Now I would do that if it didn't take tons of research, which I found annoying enough when I started vaping. It's very similar. I usually research something technical I want to buy within a day or less, then buy it.

But CRAP! With vaping, I started looking at ECF in October and didn't even by my first PV until November. It took forever to weed through it. It still feels like the good old days of computer hobbyists to me, and frankly, I'd rather pay more and buy something that's easy. Not Apple easy. That's a little overboard. But maybe Google Nexus 7 or Chromebook easy.

 

[sandybeach]

passer,

Nope. Maybe I offended him with my orangutan-orangutang misunderstanding. His last post here was six days ago, and his last post anywhere on ECF was three days ago. He's gone AWOL and is MIA.




I feel pretty much the same way you do about the accelerating craze for rebuildable atties. Not for me.

The whole tank thing makes me shake my head. Vivi Novas? From what I've read, the replaceable coils last about a week before they pop, and then you have put on (or make) a new one. And the prices on some of this stuff! I don't care how great it is, $50 for an atty that you have to mess with all the time is too steep for me.

Yeah, I've bought a bunch of Kanger T2s and replacement heads, and I sort of like them, but Boge and/or SmokTech single-coil cartos are less than a buck from some vendors, and they're really hard to beat for a satisfying vaping experience. I'm willing to pay $2 each for an Ultimate CE2, and five bucks for a decent atty is OK, but past that it gets dicey for me.

Awhile back, I was gifted with a $22 Avid HH357 atty by a poster on the thread, and I'll admit that it was the best atomizer I ever used. Smooth as silk, and it brought out flavor in juices I didn't even know was there. I used it in one of my bottom-feeders. When it died at three months, I had to decide whether to buy another. I chose not to. Why? Because it's not 22 times as good as a Boge carto. It's not even twice as good. Maybe 50% better, but I don't always feel like vaping from a bottom-feeder.

Equipment has improved markedly since I began vaping in October of 2010. But all the buzz about latest and greatest, new and improved, yadayada is too often just marketing hype. And yes, GotVapes is a prime offender of always hyping their products to the sky. But, as you note, they are far from alone in that.

I'm not suggesting that people shouldn't go ahead and by the newest stuff if they are so inclined. Lord knows I've spent enough on vaping toys in two years to outfit a small army. But you gotta draw the line somewhere. For me, that line is just this side of wrapping my own coils.

Ha Bill, I don't think Dawg woulda gotten offended by that, it was humorous!

About the Vivi Novas - Yes it was a bit of a learning curve, but I have it down to a science now. The heads last a good long time now for me -- I just dry burn them. And the most important thing, is to get them from a really super-reputable vendor that KNOWS for a fact they they are not knockoffs. I prefer the ones from GotVapes; they seem to get the latest and best from Vision. On Vision's site there is a list of approved vendors. I would only buy from one on the list. I've gotten them from Hoosier e-cigs, too, they are on the list, and have the best prices for genuine Vision Vivi Nova tanks.

My method:
Take the Vivi apart and soak the parts for a minute in a bowl of warm water. Drain and put the parts on a towel. Blow out excess moisture. Pat the wicks dry with the towel. Dry the tube with the towel. Screw the head on. Dry burn it in 2 to 5 second bursts until the coil glows red. Continue dry burning until no more vapor comes out. That's about 5 times or so.

Start vaping! The first few puffs are diluted, then it's fine.

 

[Roxxette]

guys forget about those damm vivi novas or any of that "replaceble" head stuff.

Get one of those phoenix drippig rebuildables or a ERA (theres a bottom feed version too) after that some kanthal or nichrome and fiber wick or stainless steel mesh and your set.

 

[billherbst]

Sandy,

I don't have a land line anymore---just two cell phones, one for the house and another I keep in the car just in case---so I'm not a total tech ....... My cell phones are not "smart," however---they're dumb as dirt. I've never sent a text message from a cell phone. So I get your point.

But "not Apple easy?" Hey, I've owned 24 Macs since 1984, and they've served me beautifully. I wrote all my books on a Mac (and sold the first one to the publisher as a completely desktop-published package way back in 1987 for 20% royalties), made my own new-wave Celtic music album on a Mac in 1994. Total time I've spent in front of other people's PCs is about two hours in 28 years. Every time I do, I want to race right back to my iMac and Macbook.

(I know, you can't say anything that references a product without rubbing somebody the wrong way. LOL.)

 

[Roxxette]

Bill your such a hipster j/k

Love apple products too but these days they are waaayy to focus on the iToys lol

 

[sandybeach]

Have you been in an Apple store lately? It's geared to the lowest common denominator - the person who wants to their hand held through seven classes on how to use email on the iPad. Everything on the newest OS releases has been pretty much idiot proofed, but I guess it's always been like that. I just upgraded to OS 10.8, but even on 10.7, just to look at your library files in the finder, you have to press GO in the menu, then hold the Option key to even see the library files, otherwise they are hidden.

 

[billherbst]

Have you been in an Apple store lately? It's geared to the lowest common denominator - the person who wants to their hand held through seven classes on how to use email on the iPad. Everything on the newest OS releases has been pretty much idiot proofed, but I guess it's always been like that. I just upgraded to OS 10.8, but even on 10.7, just to look at your library files in the finder, you have to press GO in the menu, then hold the Option key to even see the library files, otherwise they are hidden.

Sandy,

I haven't been to an Apple Store since---oh, let me think---about 1992. OS X 10.8? What's that? Mountain Lion? I'm stuck back on Snow Leopard (10.6.6). My Macbook (bought used) is the original core duo and is no longer supported starting with Lion (10.7), so until I decide to get a new laptop or iPad, I'll stick with 10.6. Otherwise, I won't be able to do spiffy, easy-as-pie backups from my iMac to keep the MacBook current. I don't really use my MacBook, except as one of my six backup layers. Nowadays I keep it in the trunk of my old Saab Sportwagon, along with clothes and medical stuff, in case the Cascadia fault blows 50 miles off the Oregon Coast (where the Pacific Juan de Fuca tectonic plate is sliding under the North American San Andreas plate). If the every-240-years-on-average Humongous Quake happens (the last huge one occurred in 1700, so we're living on borrowed time out here on the coast), I'll get 12 minutes warning to get my .... to high ground before the resulting tsunami takes out my house. So my car is loaded and ready to go. Oh well, it's either that, the radiation bath we're getting from Japan, or something else. Tick, tick, tick.

As a Mac pioneer who lived through the early Mac-PC wars (financially won by PCs, of course, but conceptually won by Macs, which PCs have been trying hard to emulate ever since), I never put a first version anything on my Macs anymore. Too risky. I let a year or two go by, then upgrade (maybe).

When was the last time you had a real reason to access your unix Library files in the system? Not dissin' you, just asking. I can see the Library files in OS 10.6.6, but I've never had a reason to even look at them, much less try to do something with them.

 

[passerbyeus]

I got a Phoenix and it worked good for a week so I rebuilt it 6 times and let me tell you those coils looked perfect after the 6th try but yet still got burnt taste etc....to much work for little enjoyment....

guys forget about those damm vivi novas or any of that "replaceble" head stuff.

Get one of those phoenix drippig rebuildables or a ERA (theres a bottom feed version too) after that some kanthal or nichrome and fiber wick or stainless steel mesh and your set.

 

[billherbst]

Any vaping gear that someone chooses is fine, as far as I'm concerned.

If someone likes vaping with blue foam carts on a 180-mah kr808-1 mini-cig, more power to him/her. Same with Genesis or Penelope on a GGTS or whatever. If it floats your boat, go for it.

 

[Roxxette]

I got a Phoenix and it worked good for a week so I rebuilt it 6 times and let me tell you those coils looked perfect after the 6th try but yet still got burnt taste etc....to much work for little enjoyment....

Thats why you gotta ask mate burn taste in these atty can only mean 1 thing: a short wich is easy to fix.

Bill 100% agree with you, if someone is happy vaping with blue foam like you say theres no reason to look for something else just because others claims etc; thats why i liked when pbusardo made hes odysseus review to state that just because he went and bought one doesnt mean you should too.

Anyway not going to hijack the thread lol passer if you need any help pm anytime mate.


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[lettucehead]

Personally, I think many of us 'recovering smokers' are obsessive personality types.

I mean, look how many collect thousands upon thousands of dollars of high-end mods - lovingly polish them and even have custom display cabinets for them?

Similarly, how many have advanced electronics equipment and write pages of technical information on the performance of X mod with this resistance at this setting vs. Y mod at the same settings?

Ahem, how many have tried hundreds and hundreds of similar juices - delicately picking apart the slightest nuance of flavor and depth?

This current rebuildable craze is a different symptom of the same disorder...

 

[sandybeach]

Sandy,

I haven't been to an Apple Store since---oh, let me think---about 1992. OS X 10.8? What's that? Mountain Lion? I'm stuck back on Snow Leopard (10.6.6). My Macbook (bought used) is the original core duo and is no longer supported starting with Lion (10.7), so until I decide to get a new laptop or iPad, I'll stick with 10.6. Otherwise, I won't be able to do spiffy, easy-as-pie backups from my iMac to keep the MacBook current. I don't really use my MacBook, except as one of my six backup layers. Nowadays I keep it in the trunk of my old Saab Sportwagon, along with clothes and medical stuff, in case the Cascadia fault blows 50 miles off the Oregon Coast (where the Pacific Juan de Fuca tectonic plate is sliding under the North American San Andreas plate). If the every-240-years-on-average Humongous Quake happens (the last huge one occurred in 1700, so we're living on borrowed time out here on the coast), I'll get 12 minutes warning to get my .... to high ground before the resulting tsunami takes out my house. So my car is loaded and ready to go. Oh well, it's either that, the radiation bath we're getting from Japan, or something else. Tick, tick, tick.

As a Mac pioneer who lived through the early Mac-PC wars (financially won by PCs, of course, but conceptually won by Macs, which PCs have been trying hard to emulate ever since), I never put a first version anything on my Macs anymore. Too risky. I let a year or two go by, then upgrade (maybe).

When was the last time you had a real reason to access your unix Library files in the system? Not dissin' you, just asking. I can see the Library files in OS 10.6.6, but I've never had a reason to even look at them, much less try to do something with them.

HAHAHAHA, love the survivalist story. If you need to delete a preferences file it's in the library. I like access to all my files

I liked 10.6. I think it was Snow Leopard that started all the cool pinch to zoom stuff, I really like all the good stuff you can do with the trackpad.

The automatic backups thing is spooky, so I have that turned off. I don't like anything "automatic". I like to decide when I back stuff up.

I started using Google Docs instead of Word - it's kind of cool - my files are available on any computer I am using. I have my music collection and photos on Google's cloud too, but they started charging for extra storage now, so I don't know if I will continue using it.

Guess what? My first computer was a Commodore 64! The second one was a Mac with a little black and white screen.

 

[sandybeach]

Personally, I think many of us 'recovering smokers' are obsessive personality types.

I mean, look how many collect thousands upon thousands of dollars of high-end mods - lovingly polish them and even have custom display cabinets for them?

Similarly, how many have advanced electronics equipment and write pages of technical information on the performance of X mod with this resistance at this setting vs. Y mod at the same settings?

Ahem, how many have tried hundreds and hundreds of similar juices - delicately picking apart the slightest nuance of flavor and depth?

This current rebuildable craze is a different symptom of the same disorder...

So ya sayin we all OCD over here? Ah, yup. If the shoe fits, I have a closet full of them.

 

[billherbst]

If you need to delete a preferences file it's in the library. I like access to all my files

I liked 10.6. I think it was Snow Leopard that started all the cool pinch to zoom stuff, I really like all the good stuff you can do with the trackpad.

The automatic backups thing is spooky, so I have that turned off. I don't like anything "automatic". I like to decide when I back stuff up.

I started using Google Docs instead of Word - it's kind of cool - my files are available on any computer I am using. I have my music collection and photos on Google's cloud too, but they started charging for extra storage now, so I don't know if I will continue using it.

Guess what? My first computer was a Commodore 64! The second one was a Mac with a little black and white screen.

Sandy,

Well, your reasons for wanting access to the Library are perfectly legitimate. My word, girl, you certainly sound like a very savvy end user. Not that there's any reason you shouldn't be. I'm a pretty knowledgeable Mac user in terms of long experience, but there are some techie doorways I've simply passed by and refused to walk through, "clouds" being one of them. I still use multiple Firewire drives to keep everything (almost 30 years of my life) backed up in quintuplicate. Now Apple is phasing out Firewire (sigh). And so it goes, the passing parade...

A Commodore 64, eh? My first computer was an original 128K Mac with a single 3.5" disk drive, purchased two days after Macs debuted in February, 1984. Gee, that makes us seem downright ancient. Lots of ECF members weren't even born in 1984. We're not old, though, we're ripe and well-seasoned. LOL.

 

[scarf-ace]

My first computer as a kid was an original 1981 IBM PC with 64 kilobytes (Kilobytes!!!) of memory and two floppy disk drives. My toaster has more computing power than that now.

The only proper "rebuildable" I've ever bought was the Smoktech Vivi tank which I threw into the cart while stocking up on nicquid from Healthcabin. It is a flop, as any liquid that is the least bit VG-containing throttles it and makes it taste burnt. It is also far too difficult to rebuild. (This device should not be confused with either the Vivi Nova or the Mini Vivi Nova, both of which I have found to be fairly trouble-free and easy to use. Especially the Mini, simply because there is rarely any liquid that I want to vape more than 2ml of at a time.)

I thought I was over cartomizer tanks as well until I got this new Boge F16. Best carto tank ever! I have had it filled with Copper Creek Cheesecake since I got it and it chugs along brilliantly with no gurgling or flooding at all.

But for ease of use and inexpensiveness and great performance, nothing beats my beloved clear DCCs.

And as for OCD, lettucehead? Someday I'll get up the courage to post pictures of my scarf collection. You ladies will just PLOTZ. (The men will just grumble LOL)

 

[thehangdude]

I recently went to a local vape meet, and came away with a Vapage "Crystal-XL". It is not so much a rebuildable, but has a replaceable 2.0 ohm atomizer. I have been vaping a GJ4/Conspiracy mix. It really has good flavor, like an atty. But you don't have to drip, because it holds 5ml. It seems to draw better than any of the CEx's that I've tried. Dry hits are not a ploblem (I do dry-hits every 4-5 puffs to keep it fed).

So far, I have two rebuildables that I have not tried to rebuild. I know as soon as I do one it will be easier. But so far I just can't bring myself to try.

 

[lettucehead]

I recently went to a local vape meet, and came away with a Vapage "Crystal-XL". It is not so much a rebuildable, but has a replaceable 2.0 ohm atomizer. I have been vaping a GJ4/Conspiracy mix. It really has good flavor, like an atty. But you don't have to drip, because it holds 5ml. It seems to draw better than any of the CEx's that I've tried. Dry hits are not a ploblem (I do dry-hits every 4-5 puffs to keep it fed).

So far, I have two rebuildables that I have not tried to rebuild. I know as soon as I do one it will be easier. But so far I just can't bring myself to try.

OK, I'm so jealous I'm seeing cross-eyed...
I SO wanted to go to that!!!




(I'm glad it was a good time though! )

 

[sandybeach]

Sandy,

Well, your reasons for wanting access to the Library are perfectly legitimate. My word, girl, you certainly sound like a very savvy end user. Not that there's any reason you shouldn't be. I'm a pretty knowledgeable Mac user in terms of long experience, but there are some techie doorways I've simply passed by and refused to walk through, "clouds" being one of them. I still use multiple Firewire drives to keep everything (almost 30 years of my life) backed up in quintuplicate. Now Apple is phasing out Firewire (sigh). And so it goes, the passing parade...

A Commodore 64, eh? My first computer was an original 128K Mac with a single 3.5" disk drive, purchased two days after Macs debuted in February, 1984. Gee, that makes us seem downright ancient. Lots of ECF members weren't even born in 1984. We're not old, though, we're ripe and well-seasoned. LOL.

Geez at work -- 1982, we had two TRS-80 computers. Each cost about $6000, if my memory serves me right. We upgraded to these floppy disk drives where the disks were the size of dinner plates. I think each drive had 64K of memory. The fun part was using CP/M. It was basically looking up codes to write stuff in machine language, but I could customize everything. I really don't know that much about computers, just a little. But I did build some databases for work in something called Datastar. It was mostly just fiddling around until I got stuff to work. I kind of miss that job. I was such a dork, my boss didn't want me to smoke at my desk anymore, and I QUIT over it!!!!!!!!

 

[scarf-ace]

By the way Sandy, don't ever use the phrase "rooting your phone" down here. In fact the word "rooting" as Americans use it, like cheering on a team, is a bad idea. In Australia it is a slang word to refer to, um, the marital act I regret to say that I was the .... of many jokes before I figured that out