The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

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OT; I just read this thread start to finish (~30 days)... and I'm a 555 GUY, very informative & entertaining, it peaked my interest in RY4 and a few new Vendors. I'd like to thank Don billherbst and the other regular contributors for the wealth of information compiled here, the addition of the DIY information was another welcome dimension and could lead to some experimentation down the road.

BTW, I am a faithful steeper of all my juices, minimum of three weeks, though I have quite a bit to go through, so most of them sit for 6-8 weeks. My preference is for Coffee/Cappuccino, Hazelnut and Singularly flavored Fruits (no Strawberry/Banana or other combos) and lately some Tobaccos other than 555. I enjoy 555 mostly at work and other Tobaccos & Blends during the evening.
 

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I am a faithful steeper of all my juices, minimum of three weeks, though I have quite a bit to go through, so most of them sit for 6-8 weeks. My preference is for Coffee/Cappuccino, Hazelnut and Singularly flavored Fruits (no Strawberry/Banana or other combos) and lately some Tobaccos other than 555. I enjoy 555 mostly at work and other Tobaccos & Blends during the evening.

MFToms,

Welcome! Ah, another nut guy. LOL. Although I enjoy nutty RY4s, I have only two 555s that I vape on anything approaching a regular basis, probably because they both deviate from the standard 555 flavor profile: Black Label 555 from SpringVapor and 555 Exotic from BWB.

As for Coffee vapes, my faves are BWB Espresso and Cappuccino, CopperCreek Coffee and Cappuccino, and MountainVapor Mocha Royale. I've tried about 50 others, but those five are my personal champs. Tried, true, and still undefeated. I guess I should add Want2Vape Campfire Coffee as a diy flavoring concentrate.

Please feel free to contribute to the thread as much or as little as you wish, however the spirit/muse moves you.
 

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Thank you, I like the Kona series, Turkish Coffee & Shell Shocked (SS needs 1.5 months steep) from Virgin Vapor, and the ECblend Buttered Keoke Rum Coffee.

I purchased some BWB Cappo, Hunters Blend, Casablanca &BWB Blend but no 555, after finding their link on this thread. I've also bought the Spring Vapor Fall Harvest RY4, Peach Harvest Tobacco & Orchid Apple; Altcig RY4 & Gooey Buttercake, from these Vendors because of this thread.

Though I've bought from Altcig in the past, mostly Carmel Cappo, Dublin Down & Just Peachy:thumb:, I never thought of trying the RY or GBC. The Altcigs definitely improve immensely flavor-wise with a long steep (2 months), otherwise I've found them too subtle on flavor but that could be my taste-buds.
 

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OK, time for a little side-by-side comparison of twelve top-rated RY4s. Why twelve? No special reason, these are just the ones that called out to me from the A and A- groups of The Big RY4 Report Card. A thirteenth is missing: Vapeking VK4, because I vaped all 5mls that had been sent to me from Australia by scarf-ace. That’s a shame, because I think VK4 is fantastic, but I’m all out, so tough luck. The twelve up for comparison are:

CrystalELiquid RY4 Double Tobacco
Dekang RY4
GoodEJuice GJ4
Halo Tribeca
Ikenvape RY4 Gold
Janty Elixir RY4
Mom&PopVaporShop RY4v2
RWVapors RY4
SmokelessImage Volt RY4
VaporBeast Holy Grail RY4
Vapor..... OuR-Y4
VaporTalk Dulcis​
All the RY4s were loaded into filler cartos, either Boges or Smoktechs, and were vaped using a power-regulated Kicked Bolt set to its max output of 10 watts. Each carto was topped up to full saturation before vaping, and all these RY4s were/are well-steeped juices in the prime of their life-spans. Unless I mention nuts in a specific RY4, assume that there was no nuttiness, at least none I could discern.

Janty Elixir RY4
I start with Janty because it’s the original RY4, the great grand-daddy of all the upstart RY4 rug rats now scurrying about, hoping to grow up and make a name for themselves. Janty is their genetic forebear, to whom they owe a profound debt. What hits me first when I vape Janty RY4 is that it’s sweet without being sweet. The slight sourness counterbalances the sweetness, leaving the impression of sweetness without an actual sweet taste. The tobacco, caramel, and vanilla are incredibly well-balanced and blended (like most of the Classic RY4s that followed), which is wonderful or not, depending on your palate. No cotton candy. Synthetic tobacco that doesn’t stand out or call attention to itself.

Dekang RY4 (from HealthCabin)
Dekang is next. Why? Because it’s the most popular RY4 in the world. I’d guess that it outsells all other RY4s combined, because of numerous reasons: Dekang’s huge market share around the world, their low prices, and RY4 history (the mythic “lost” Dekang from 2008-2009 and mystique that was left in its wake). Compared to Janty RY4, the current Dekang formula is slightly darker (in taste, not color) and more caramelly, but still solidly within the Classic milieu. Like Janty, it’s not overly sweet, but it has a touch more tobacco flavor, which is a middle-of-the-road synthetic.

Ikenvape RY4 Gold
During its long development stage, IKV RY4 Gold was hyped as a replica of the lost Dekang formula. Well, opinions differ about the end result, primarily because of the pronounced nuttiness, which many old-timers swear was not present in the lost Dekang. The famous vanishing Dekang was also reputed by some who loved it to have spun sugar as a primary ingredient more than vanilla, making it a sweeter tobacco blend formula. Nonetheless, IKV RY4 Gold made quite a splash when it came out, and continues to be well-loved by many. I regard it as the first Custom RY4, since it throws out the brightness of the Classic RY4 recipe mix and goes for deep, dark, and caramel-rich instead. Very definitely with nuts. And a slightly more distinctive tobacco than Janty and Dekang, although still synthetic (as far as I know).

CrystalELiquid RY4 Double Tobacco
This is a Classic RY4 that’s formulated with NET (Naturally-Extracted Tobacco) in a double shot (meaning twice the percentage of tobacco flavoring in the mix). It’s a prime example of an RY4 with a stronger tobacco presence and terrific kick (which is related to, but not the same as, throat hit---kick is a term I use for flavor impact throughout the entire vape, both inhale and exhale). For my money, CEL RY4 2XT is great. Not too sweet, good balance between caramel and vanilla (which obviously take a back seat here), and a tobacco flavor that’s immensely pleasing.

GoodEJuice GJ4
Here we have another strong tobacco RY4 that uses in-house NET flavoring, but this leans more in the Custom direction, because of its darkness (in flavor, although it is a deep-caramel color). By comparison, CEL RY4 2XT has more distinct flavors, whereas GJ4 is blended so that the individual ingredients meld into a single overall flavor experience. Not sweet, but slightly caramel-rich.

Halo Tribeca
This is Halo’s take on a Classic RY4, and it’s darn good, as far as my palate goes. My first bottle required five months of steeping to get rid of the Halo “purity” base (which I don’t like), but now Halo has altered their base to remove what some of us taste as medicinal or bug spray-like, so ridiculously long steeping is no longer required. This is as good a Classic RY4 as anything coming out of China, where Classic RY4s are the norm.

Mom&PopVaporShop RY4v2
This is the middle of three RY4s offered by M&P. Closer to a Classic profile than their original RY4, but not nearly so extreme as their Custom RYO4. All three versions use NET. RY4v2 has the sweet-sour contrast of Janty, but with more lean toward sweetness, so that the end result is sweeter---not dessert-like, though, since the sourness cuts the sweetness some. All three primary ingredients (tobacco, caramel, vanilla) are flavorful and beautifully balanced, but still distinct. And the NET flavoring is a terrific tobacco. Very satisfying for those of use who love good tobacco vapes. If you like Janty but want slightly more distinct flavors and a bit more sweetness, RY4v2 should fill the bill.

RWVapors RY4
What distinguishes RWVapors’ offering is a wonderful subtlety. Athough it provides flavor that’s both ample and good, this is a quiet RY4---no shouting, and not in-your-face at all. Among RY4s, it’s the best example I know of less being more, in the sense of delicate restraint. Balanced and well-blended, Assuming you like the flavor profile, RWV RY4 is a great candidate for an all-day-vape, since the possibility of flavor blow-out through palate exhaustion is substantially reduced.

VaporBeast Holy Grail RY4
This Custom RY4 is characterized by a sweet-sour contrast---like Janty, the overt sweetness is neutralized---and a stronger tobacco presence. The tobacco is slightly unusual (I don’t know whether it’s synthetic or NET), and may not be to everyone’s liking, but my palate approves. This is not a middle-of-the-road RY4. No, it’s quite distinctive. Holy Grail RY4 is also the sneakiest RY4 in this group. It may not win you over at first. In fact, VB HG RY4 might seem a bit odd initially, but it keeps getting better the more you vape it, until you’re eventually hooked. That’s brilliant, assuming you get past the first two minutes.

Vapor..... OuR-Y4
This is a wonderful caramel-rich RY4 that skips back and forth between Classic and Custom. One minute my brain says, “Classic,” the next minute it counter with, “No, Custom.” And so it goes, back and forth. This is another RY4 that leaves the impression of sweetness without actually being very sweet. I’m not sure there’s a sour element, but the end result suggests that it might. The winning quality in OuR-Y4 is perfect balance in the harmony of flavors. Each flavor complements and supports the others.

VaporTalk Dulcis
Though I am not a fan of VaporTalk as a vendor---high prices, small bottles only, and almost always out of stock---I adore Dulcis and hope to never be without some in my juice stash. Dulcis is the Classic RY4 flavor profile with nuts added. It’s also sweeter than some, but the nuttiness steals some of the sweetness, enough to prevent Dulcis from being a straight Dessert-type RY4. Over my two years of vaping, Dulcis has occasionally fallen out of my Top 10 RY4s, but never very far or for very long, for the simple reason that it’s one of the most deliciously decadent RY4s ever made---mellow tobacco, rich caramel and vanilla, and those wonderful nuts. It’s out of stock today, seemingly as always.

SmokelessImage Volt RY4
As far as I know, SI Volt RY4 is the same juice as Bloog RY4, but I can’t confirm that for sure. They taste exactly the same to me. I mean exactly. Given that both vendors out-source their eliquids, I assume they’re from the same Chinese manufacturer. Whatever the case may be about its origins and similarity to Bloog, SI Volt RY4 is my favorite Classic RY4. It’s also the one bonafide dessert-type RY4 in this group, with an infused sweetness that isn’t cloying or saccharine. That yummy sweetness elevates the other flavorings into nirvana. Like Dulcis, I never want to be without this RY4 in my stash. Unlike Dulcis, Smokeless Image Volt RY4 is readily available in 30ml bottles for a decent price. LOL.
 

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I dropped mine in some hot water and it seemed to calm down the nuts and bring some of the cream in, I really would like this juice if the nutty was not so overpowering.

Interesting... The weird nutty coolness of Creamy RY4 is much more subdued on my vivinova than it is on the carto tank. That, or the coolness has transformed, largely, into a nuttiness through half a week of steeping.

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Thank you, Bill! Do you mix at the recommended suggested 20%?

No, I use 15% for w2v's RY4.

I also notice that over time my base ratio is changing. I started out DIY with mostly VG. Now I'm using 70/30 pg/vg, because that seems to carry flavors better, allowing lower percentages of concentrate.

Note: 15% produces an RY4 that is slightly lean and very subtle. 20% makes that same RY4 much richer, not quite bold, but close. Steeping might enrich the 15% mix, so I start there first. My new 15% batch hasn't had time to steep yet.
 
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I had a enlightenment
today with Zeus Creamy RY4 if you take away all the nut tones... I get a VaporTalk Dulcis taste...

So, Zeus stole all the Dulcis (since it's not now and seemingly never is in stock) and hid it inside a nutshell. Wow.
 

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I received my order of Vapor Beast Holy Grail RY4 today and, as usual, skipped any steeping and immediately loaded up a boge 3.0 ohm carto. I let the carto soak up the juice for about an hour and began vaping away. First thing I noticed when I opened the bottle is that is smelled very familiar to another juice in my inventory but could not put my finger on it. The first puff and voila, I knew what it was. Mountain Oak Vapors CountRY4. This juice is very similar to MOV. So much so, as soon as I got back to the office I had to vape the two side by side as I could hardly tell a difference.

After vaping both for 15 minutes, I have concluded these are very close first cousins. Holy Grail's tobacco base is a little different than MOV but not by much. The aroma of Holy Grail is more pleasant (no library, old book aroma). I do like this juice a lot but am a little dissappointed since it is so close to MOV. Maybe some steeping will transform Holy Grail into something else but even it does not, this 30ml bottle will not go to waste.

I challenge other followers of this thread to vape Holy Grail and MOV CountRY4 side by side and give their assessments. I am curious if it just me or if these two are as close to one another as I detect.
 

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I should be getting my Grail in tomorrow, being that MOV is one of fav RY4s, i will be looking forward to this battle :D



I received my order of Vapor Beast Holy Grail RY4 today and, as usual, skipped any steeping and immediately loaded up a boge 3.0 ohm carto. I let the carto soak up the juice for about an hour and began vaping away. First thing I noticed when I opened the bottle is that is smelled very familiar to another juice in my inventory but could not put my finger on it. The first puff and voila, I knew what it was. Mountain Oak Vapors CountRY4. This juice is very similar to MOV. So much so, as soon as I got back to the office I had to vape the two side by side as I could hardly tell a difference.

After vaping both for 15 minutes, I have concluded these are very close first cousins. Holy Grail's tobacco base is a little different than MOV but not by much. The aroma of Holy Grail is more pleasant (no library, old book aroma). I do like this juice a lot but am a little dissappointed since it is so close to MOV. Maybe some steeping will transform Holy Grail into something else but even it does not, this 30ml bottle will not go to waste.

I challenge other followers of this thread to vape Holy Grail and MOV CountRY4 side by side and give their assessments. I am curious if it just me or if these two are as close to one another as I detect.
 

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I challenge other followers of this thread to vape Holy Grail and MOV CountRY4 side by side and give their assessments. I am curious if it just me or if these two are as close to one another as I detect.

Comparison-vaping RY4s is my job. OK, got out my filled cartos of VaporBeast Holy Grail RY4 and MOV Classic CountRY4 (both in Boge LRs) here on my desk and put one on each of my two Kicked Bolts (both set to 9 watts). This way, I can vape one, then vape the other as quickly as I can put down the first Bolt and pick up the second.

First test: obviously similar. So, On Target is, um, on target.

In assessing how close they are, I needed other RY4s for contrast, so I grabbed my Acrylimax (another wattage regulated device, but so wildly mis-calibrated that 4.0 watts on the Acrylimax is about the same vape intensity as 9.0 watts on the Kicks). Tried Apollo RY4. Different from both VB and MOV. Tried COV4. Way different. Tried IKV RY4 Gold. Totally different. Tried Janty. Ridiculously different.

Looks like Holy Grail and CountRY4 are, indeed, brothers that share a remarkable similarity. I don't find them to be identical twins, though, maybe fraternal twins. MOV CountRY4's tobacco has a signature base tone that is both smoother and more eccentric in taste than VB Holy Grail RY4's tobacco, which is slightly stronger/sharper, with more bite, and a flavor that's closer to the center of the tobacco bell curve. The caramel/vanilla flavorings and mix seem equivalent, or at least not noticeably different.

If I vaped these two RY4s blindfolded, could I tell them apart? Well, now I could---having just spent five minutes vaping each one and thinking about the difference---but I'm not sure I could have identified which was which from a cold start. Makes me think that I should pull down Holy Grail to an A- and bump up CountRY4 to a B+, since they clearly shouldn't be more than a half-step apart in grading.

Personally, I like VB Holy Grail a shade more. Holy Grail's tobacco is a little more comfortable for me than CountRY4's. The oddness of MOV's tobacco base distracts my brain just a little away from pure enjoyment. All of MOV's tobaccos are a bit of an acquired taste for my palate.

Good work, On Target! By the way, your package of V4L Jammin went into the mails this morning and should arrive within 2-3 days. Paypal me your half ($11) of the order after it gets there.
 
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