hey guys i have a great deal in the classifieds for NET from MOV 43ml for $22
The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)
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I just learned that Tony at IndigoVapor may be coming out with a second version of RY4, which is tentatively called simply Classic. That’s not definite yet, as far as I know, but I hope it pans out. Tony’s first version, Indigo RY, contained a small amount of cocoa flavoring. Classic won’t have any cocoa.
I have long held the personal opinion that cocoa/chocolate really has no place in RY4s. I just feel that chocolate doesn't fit the flavor profile even in custom RY4s, where basically anything goes in terms of pushing the envelope. I don't know, maybe I'm being a conservative stick-in-the-mud jerk about this, but somehow chocolate just rubs me the wrong way in RY4s. YMMV, of course. There are a small number of custom RY4s on The Big List that use cocoa/chocolate, but the two that always come to mind for me are Vapure VY4, which has a very distinct chocolate element, and Highbrowbacco RY4, which uses a naturally-extracted cocoa liqueur flavoring as a background tone. I'll bet that Tony's non-cocoa Classic recipe might be even better than the Indigo RY I reviewed, which was admittedly very good (in part because the cocoa was subtle and not overdone). I mean, I did give it an A grade when I reviewed it (I have since lowered that slightly to an A-).
I just sample-vaped my carto of Indigo RY again while writing this post, and I'm reminded that what I like so much about it is the tobacco, which is terrific, despite the fact that it's a synthetic, lab-based tobacco flavoring. I experience the cocoa not so much as a distinct choco-flavor, but mainly as a shadowy, undefined background element that adds creaminess. Leaving it out of the second version should push the new lndigo Classic closer to Janty, which I continue to regard as the king of Classic RY4s. Tony will need to make the caramel element richer in his new recipe, however, if that RY4 is to have a chance of holding its own against Janty. I look forward to trying Indigo Classic should it become available.
I find it interesting that the single best RY4 I've ever had is Janty RY4 in the DK-Series, which Janty identifies as the original, first-ever RY4. Janty RY4s in the Classic, Elixir, and Vitaya Series were all subtle tweaks on the recipe profile, but the DK Series RY4 now available again was apparently the granddaddy of them all. Hard to improve on perfection, I guess.
Diane at MyVapeJuice has a second NET-based RY4 coming out next month, using an extract she calls Rogue. I'm eager to sample her new Rogue RY4, since my interest these days is focused entirely on NETs (Naturally-Extracted Tobacco). Admittedly, the caramel and vanilla that comprise 2/3 of the "Sacred Trinity" of core flavor ingredients in RY4 are probably the ideal flavorings to make the most of synthetic tobaccos. If we date the origins of vaping as an industry back to about 2005, then synthetic, lab-based tobacco flavorings were the only option for juices during the first four years. Around 2009, VapeRite and Want2Vape began to offer the first naturally-extracted tobaccos made from steeped macerations of real tobacco leaves. Now, in 2012-2013, the floodgates are beginning to open as more and more vendors start making their own in-house natural tobacco extractions. The huge Natural Tobaccos thread in the Juice Discussion Forum is proof positive of how compelling NETs are for many, many vapers.
I hold out hope that---as they become more common---NETs may eventually alter the landscape of RY4s in a significant way, by moving the Custom profile closer to a true tobacco blend rather than a sweet vape with a tobacco base. [On the Natural Tobacco thread, sweet or fruity juice blends that use tobacco in a minor supporting role are now being called "small font tobaccos" or SFTs, which is a moniker that makes me smile.]
I liked MyVapeJuice Our RY4---which used Diane’s My Hero NET base---enough to give it a B+, but I think Diane may have an A-level RY4 inside her just waiting to come out that could hold its own or even dethrone the current top-rated NET-based RY4s, such as GoodEJuice GJ4, MountainOakVapor Full Virginia Flake RY4, and Want2Vape RY4.
I have long held the personal opinion that cocoa/chocolate really has no place in RY4s. I just feel that chocolate doesn't fit the flavor profile even in custom RY4s, where basically anything goes in terms of pushing the envelope. I don't know, maybe I'm being a conservative stick-in-the-mud jerk about this, but somehow chocolate just rubs me the wrong way in RY4s. YMMV, of course. There are a small number of custom RY4s on The Big List that use cocoa/chocolate, but the two that always come to mind for me are Vapure VY4, which has a very distinct chocolate element, and Highbrowbacco RY4, which uses a naturally-extracted cocoa liqueur flavoring as a background tone. I'll bet that Tony's non-cocoa Classic recipe might be even better than the Indigo RY I reviewed, which was admittedly very good (in part because the cocoa was subtle and not overdone). I mean, I did give it an A grade when I reviewed it (I have since lowered that slightly to an A-).
I just sample-vaped my carto of Indigo RY again while writing this post, and I'm reminded that what I like so much about it is the tobacco, which is terrific, despite the fact that it's a synthetic, lab-based tobacco flavoring. I experience the cocoa not so much as a distinct choco-flavor, but mainly as a shadowy, undefined background element that adds creaminess. Leaving it out of the second version should push the new lndigo Classic closer to Janty, which I continue to regard as the king of Classic RY4s. Tony will need to make the caramel element richer in his new recipe, however, if that RY4 is to have a chance of holding its own against Janty. I look forward to trying Indigo Classic should it become available.
I find it interesting that the single best RY4 I've ever had is Janty RY4 in the DK-Series, which Janty identifies as the original, first-ever RY4. Janty RY4s in the Classic, Elixir, and Vitaya Series were all subtle tweaks on the recipe profile, but the DK Series RY4 now available again was apparently the granddaddy of them all. Hard to improve on perfection, I guess.
Diane at MyVapeJuice has a second NET-based RY4 coming out next month, using an extract she calls Rogue. I'm eager to sample her new Rogue RY4, since my interest these days is focused entirely on NETs (Naturally-Extracted Tobacco). Admittedly, the caramel and vanilla that comprise 2/3 of the "Sacred Trinity" of core flavor ingredients in RY4 are probably the ideal flavorings to make the most of synthetic tobaccos. If we date the origins of vaping as an industry back to about 2005, then synthetic, lab-based tobacco flavorings were the only option for juices during the first four years. Around 2009, VapeRite and Want2Vape began to offer the first naturally-extracted tobaccos made from steeped macerations of real tobacco leaves. Now, in 2012-2013, the floodgates are beginning to open as more and more vendors start making their own in-house natural tobacco extractions. The huge Natural Tobaccos thread in the Juice Discussion Forum is proof positive of how compelling NETs are for many, many vapers.
I hold out hope that---as they become more common---NETs may eventually alter the landscape of RY4s in a significant way, by moving the Custom profile closer to a true tobacco blend rather than a sweet vape with a tobacco base. [On the Natural Tobacco thread, sweet or fruity juice blends that use tobacco in a minor supporting role are now being called "small font tobaccos" or SFTs, which is a moniker that makes me smile.]
I liked MyVapeJuice Our RY4---which used Diane’s My Hero NET base---enough to give it a B+, but I think Diane may have an A-level RY4 inside her just waiting to come out that could hold its own or even dethrone the current top-rated NET-based RY4s, such as GoodEJuice GJ4, MountainOakVapor Full Virginia Flake RY4, and Want2Vape RY4.
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I cant say I am to happy with some of the NETS. I really did not like MOV NETS, its just to earthy, dirty, and to much like a chewing tobacco to me, I can handle W2V and GEJ, not sure the difference there is of all the NETS. A true tobacco taste to me for a ecig would want to taste like maybe a pipe or cigar but as a old analog user I never got into smoking those so if that is the purpose of NETS then that may be the reason I am not to much into them and for someone who is trying to stop smoking I really dont think they are like a analog at all.
Rogue RY4 sounds great just from the name I would try it
But I agree the Janty RY4 DK is top dog since RAF is gone lol...I liked it better then the classic it seems to be less sour.
Rogue RY4 sounds great just from the name I would try it
But I agree the Janty RY4 DK is top dog since RAF is gone lol...I liked it better then the classic it seems to be less sour.
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passer,
To each his own.
Your putting up for sale the MOV NETs made it clear that you didn't like them. Did they sell?
I can't speak for others, but for me NETs are not about getting closer to the taste of smoked tobacco. The whole schtick of "analog replacement" never made sense to me, since---with regard to tobacco anyway---vaping is (again, for me) nothing like smoking in any aspect of the respective experiences. Yeah, yeah, both involve inhalation into the lungs, both include the effects of nicotine (although differently), and both provide what we can call flavor (in this case, tobacco), but there the similarities end. With regard to flavor, if I put food on one end and smoking tobacco on the other, vaping flavor exists somewhere in the gray zone between the two, vaguely reminiscent of both, but significantly unlike either.
To some extent, forums such as ECF are more than just a virtual place for vapers to congregate. They are the social laboratories through which a whole new language, vocabulary, and grammar for the experience of taste and flavor are being developed. So far, we (collectively) still tend to reach back to the older languages at each end of the scale---eating (food) and smoking (tobacco). Vendors still show pictures of prepared foods and drinks when hawking their eliquids on-site, and their descriptions still harken back to food. And many of us (including me) tend to fall back often into statements such as, "Wow, XYZ juice tastes exactly like my memories of eating XYZ!" But it doesn't. Cake juices vaped just flat-out don't taste like eating cake, because eating involves a different compendium of senses. Fruits are a little closer in their essence, but eating a ripe peach is finally not similar to vaping peach-flavored eliquids. Same with tobacco.
NETs provide me with the vaping experience of satisfying, enjoyable flavors much more than synthetic, lab-based tobacco flavorings do. Your mileage obviously varies, but that's fine, since you've got thousands of other juices from which to choose.
To each his own.
Your putting up for sale the MOV NETs made it clear that you didn't like them. Did they sell?
I can't speak for others, but for me NETs are not about getting closer to the taste of smoked tobacco. The whole schtick of "analog replacement" never made sense to me, since---with regard to tobacco anyway---vaping is (again, for me) nothing like smoking in any aspect of the respective experiences. Yeah, yeah, both involve inhalation into the lungs, both include the effects of nicotine (although differently), and both provide what we can call flavor (in this case, tobacco), but there the similarities end. With regard to flavor, if I put food on one end and smoking tobacco on the other, vaping flavor exists somewhere in the gray zone between the two, vaguely reminiscent of both, but significantly unlike either.
To some extent, forums such as ECF are more than just a virtual place for vapers to congregate. They are the social laboratories through which a whole new language, vocabulary, and grammar for the experience of taste and flavor are being developed. So far, we (collectively) still tend to reach back to the older languages at each end of the scale---eating (food) and smoking (tobacco). Vendors still show pictures of prepared foods and drinks when hawking their eliquids on-site, and their descriptions still harken back to food. And many of us (including me) tend to fall back often into statements such as, "Wow, XYZ juice tastes exactly like my memories of eating XYZ!" But it doesn't. Cake juices vaped just flat-out don't taste like eating cake, because eating involves a different compendium of senses. Fruits are a little closer in their essence, but eating a ripe peach is finally not similar to vaping peach-flavored eliquids. Same with tobacco.
NETs provide me with the vaping experience of satisfying, enjoyable flavors much more than synthetic, lab-based tobacco flavorings do. Your mileage obviously varies, but that's fine, since you've got thousands of other juices from which to choose.
Hello ry4 lovers! I just recently got into ry4s and now I can't stop ordering different ones. I'm officially addicted and wanted to stop by and ask for a recommendation from you guys, if you don't mind(sorry, I'm sure you guys get this on the daily). I am on the hunt for an ry4 that is sickly sweet. I want heavy caramel and light tobacco. Cake flavors are not frowned upon and neither is maple(but I prefer the caramel). So, what is the sweetest, most desert-like ry4 known to man? Thank you for your time!
Thank you for your time!
Hello ry4 lovers! I just recently got into ry4s and now I can't stop ordering different ones. I'm officially addicted and wanted to stop by and ask for a recommendation from you guys, if you don't mind(sorry, I'm sure you guys get this on the daily). I am on the hunt for an ry4 that is sickly sweet. I want heavy caramel and light tobacco. Cake flavors are not frowned upon and neither is maple(but I prefer the caramel). So, what is the sweetest, most desert-like ry4 known to man?
Vaperite's VR4 gets my vote. Sadly, I have not tried a lot of RY4s. But it's very caramely ... or rather like lovely warm caramel.
Thank you so much for the response. I'll go check out the site and put it on my list to order. I may just have to order some caramel and vanilla to boost my flavors. I have never been a sweet lover but that has now changed. Oh well. At least I'm vaping instead of eating it.
Thanks again!
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Hello ry4 lovers! I just recently got into ry4s and now I can't stop ordering different ones. I'm officially addicted and wanted to stop by and ask for a recommendation from you guys, if you don't mind(sorry, I'm sure you guys get this on the daily). I am on the hunt for an ry4 that is sickly sweet. I want heavy caramel and light tobacco. Cake flavors are not frowned upon and neither is maple(but I prefer the caramel). So, what is the sweetest, most desert-like ry4 known to man?
angisage,
No single RY4 in particular leaps to mind as the answer to your question.
Although I understand that you're using the phrase as hyperbole to make a point, "sickly sweet" is not a term that any vendor would like seeing used to describe a juice in their line-up, RY4 or otherwise. Basically, you're looking for an RY4 that appears in the categories Dessert/Sweet and Caramel Rich, but not in the Stronger Tobacco category.
Logically, Dessert/Sweet RY4s with a sour element are probably not in the running, since the contrasting sourness tends to reduce the overall sweetness. I'm not sure that would necessarily prove true for you in real life, but for your question as stated, I'll cross off all the Janty RY4s as out of the running.
That leaves the following suspects:
AltCig RY4
CopperCreek Twisted Tobacco
CrystalELiquid RY4
EcigExpress My 4
GoodEJuice RY4 (not GJ4)
Greenhouse One RY4
Mom&PopVaporShop RY4
PrimeVaping PV4
TopShelf RY4
V4L Jammin (not caramel-rich, but quite sweet)
Vixen Vapors RY4
To these, I would add two juices that are not on The Big List, because they taste more like sweet caramel-tobacco blends than true RY4s:
NiteLiteVapor Caramel Corral Tobacco
PinkSpotVapors RY8
Good luck!
specs: The 30ml bottle of Ravyn I purchased from AliceinVapeland contains a darkish gold-caramel-colored transparent liquid at 24mg nic strength in an unspecified (proprietary) ratio PG/VG base blend. The nose is an odd caramel---a pleasant scent, but unusual. Testing was done using a 2.6 ohm CE3 bottom coil clearo powered by a variable-wattage VAMO set to 7.5 watts.
As keeper of this thread, Im presented with a conundrum by Ravyn. It is the first house-brewed NET hybrid, and indeed the first tobacco blend of any kind, offered by AliceinVapeland (AiV) in their line-up of artisan juices. AiV made a fixed amount of natural extract for this juice, so Ravyn is/was a limited edition of only 90 bottles---mine is #81---that sold out within a week or so of being put up for sale on the AiV web site. Heck, Ravyn has already been unavailable for the past two weeks. I dont know if another similar batch of extract will be made down the road. Perhaps AiV will offer a Ravyn Version 2, but maybe not.
Beyond that, some question exists surrounding whether or not Ravyn is intended or should even be considered as a Custom RY4. The name itself, with the capital R and the substitution of y for the e in Raven, might imply a subtle clue from AiV to consider it a custom RY4. Or it might not, since Ravyn might be simply creative word-bending that has nothing to do with RY4 at all.
If only 90 bottles of Ravyn will ever exist---making it unavailable to almost every reader of The Really Big RY4 Roundup thread---and if Ravyn is not really an RY4, then should I review it on the thread? I dont have a clear answer to those questions. I do feel that our thread has sufficient flexibility to allow excursions outside the lines. Ive done that before, and I see no reason not to do so now. I will not, however, include Ravyn on The Big RY4 List, both because of its unavailability and the fact that it may not be an RY4 to start with.
Like many juices made with NET (naturally-extracted tobacco), Rayvns flavor profile is deep and calm, with an almost conspicuous lack of the sparkle or higher end notes that nicotine often produces with synthetic tobacco flavorings. This is all woodwinds and bassoons, with no brass at all. Calling the flavor flat wouldnt do it justice, but Im tempted to use that word. This may be due to the complete lack of throat hit I get from my Ravyn, even though mine is 24mg nic. Primarily, I pick up a solid tobacco base to which caramel has been added. The tone of vanilla is present also, although I couldnt say that I actually taste vanilla. This is true with many Custom RY4s: vanilla is often the least obvious of the three core RY4 ingredients.
In addition, Ravyn has a fruity note that tastes like blackberry. Again, the name might be a subtle giveaway, since Ravens are blackbirds. By definition, Classic RY4s do not contain any fruit, but Custom RY4s may, since---like it or not---nearly anything goes with Customs. Ive read in posts on the Ravyn and Natural Tobacco threads in the Juice Discussion Forum that AiV used Perique to create the NET used in Ravyn, which makes sense, because Perique has a distinct fruitiness.
Overall, Ravyns flavor is tasty and pleasing, with no off-flavors or odd notes, but not very exciting. I find that to be a frequent drawback of many 2nd-generation NETs and hybrids. We're still learning how to extract the whole range of flavinoids in tobacco leaves, and considerable room for improvement remains.
As to the $64 question---Is Ravyn a Custom RY4?---I vote maybe. To the extent that Ravyn is RY4-like, I believe that end result to be unintended by AiV. I dont think that AliceinVapeland set out to make an RY4, but rather an NET hybrid tobacco blend. Still, to my palate, the overall flavor experience of Ravyn could be considered to fall within the boundaries of Custom RY4s---indistinct and ill-defined as those boundaries are---mainly because the core ingredients of tobacco, caramel, and vanilla seem to be present. If someone in the know at AiV told me authoritatively that theres no vanilla in Ravyn, Id be willing to change my opinion.
As an NET, Ravyn is a worthy first effort from AiV, and as a Custom RY4 (unintentional though it probably is), Ravyn is still a much better RY4 than numerous Custom RY4s Ive vaped and reviewed on this thread.
I wont give Ravyn a grade, since it wont appear on The Big List, nor will I link to the AiV site, since Rayvn is unavailable for purchase. For the sake of full disclosure, however moot that may be, if I had chosen to include Ravyn on The Big List with a grade, it would have landed somewhere in the upper middle of the pack.
As keeper of this thread, Im presented with a conundrum by Ravyn. It is the first house-brewed NET hybrid, and indeed the first tobacco blend of any kind, offered by AliceinVapeland (AiV) in their line-up of artisan juices. AiV made a fixed amount of natural extract for this juice, so Ravyn is/was a limited edition of only 90 bottles---mine is #81---that sold out within a week or so of being put up for sale on the AiV web site. Heck, Ravyn has already been unavailable for the past two weeks. I dont know if another similar batch of extract will be made down the road. Perhaps AiV will offer a Ravyn Version 2, but maybe not.
Beyond that, some question exists surrounding whether or not Ravyn is intended or should even be considered as a Custom RY4. The name itself, with the capital R and the substitution of y for the e in Raven, might imply a subtle clue from AiV to consider it a custom RY4. Or it might not, since Ravyn might be simply creative word-bending that has nothing to do with RY4 at all.
If only 90 bottles of Ravyn will ever exist---making it unavailable to almost every reader of The Really Big RY4 Roundup thread---and if Ravyn is not really an RY4, then should I review it on the thread? I dont have a clear answer to those questions. I do feel that our thread has sufficient flexibility to allow excursions outside the lines. Ive done that before, and I see no reason not to do so now. I will not, however, include Ravyn on The Big RY4 List, both because of its unavailability and the fact that it may not be an RY4 to start with.
Like many juices made with NET (naturally-extracted tobacco), Rayvns flavor profile is deep and calm, with an almost conspicuous lack of the sparkle or higher end notes that nicotine often produces with synthetic tobacco flavorings. This is all woodwinds and bassoons, with no brass at all. Calling the flavor flat wouldnt do it justice, but Im tempted to use that word. This may be due to the complete lack of throat hit I get from my Ravyn, even though mine is 24mg nic. Primarily, I pick up a solid tobacco base to which caramel has been added. The tone of vanilla is present also, although I couldnt say that I actually taste vanilla. This is true with many Custom RY4s: vanilla is often the least obvious of the three core RY4 ingredients.
In addition, Ravyn has a fruity note that tastes like blackberry. Again, the name might be a subtle giveaway, since Ravens are blackbirds. By definition, Classic RY4s do not contain any fruit, but Custom RY4s may, since---like it or not---nearly anything goes with Customs. Ive read in posts on the Ravyn and Natural Tobacco threads in the Juice Discussion Forum that AiV used Perique to create the NET used in Ravyn, which makes sense, because Perique has a distinct fruitiness.
Overall, Ravyns flavor is tasty and pleasing, with no off-flavors or odd notes, but not very exciting. I find that to be a frequent drawback of many 2nd-generation NETs and hybrids. We're still learning how to extract the whole range of flavinoids in tobacco leaves, and considerable room for improvement remains.
As to the $64 question---Is Ravyn a Custom RY4?---I vote maybe. To the extent that Ravyn is RY4-like, I believe that end result to be unintended by AiV. I dont think that AliceinVapeland set out to make an RY4, but rather an NET hybrid tobacco blend. Still, to my palate, the overall flavor experience of Ravyn could be considered to fall within the boundaries of Custom RY4s---indistinct and ill-defined as those boundaries are---mainly because the core ingredients of tobacco, caramel, and vanilla seem to be present. If someone in the know at AiV told me authoritatively that theres no vanilla in Ravyn, Id be willing to change my opinion.
As an NET, Ravyn is a worthy first effort from AiV, and as a Custom RY4 (unintentional though it probably is), Ravyn is still a much better RY4 than numerous Custom RY4s Ive vaped and reviewed on this thread.
I wont give Ravyn a grade, since it wont appear on The Big List, nor will I link to the AiV site, since Rayvn is unavailable for purchase. For the sake of full disclosure, however moot that may be, if I had chosen to include Ravyn on The Big List with a grade, it would have landed somewhere in the upper middle of the pack.
I don't know that much about diacetyl. Learning more. Saw some interesting juices here. Just curious. Sorry I have been out of the loop on diacetyl and how potentially harmful it can be. Isn't RY4 tobacco fused with carmel? I did not think it could have diacetyl in it but not sure.
The only way I know to be sure that a particular juice---RY4 or anything else--does not contain diacetyl is to check the vendor's web site and see if their policy on diacetyl is stated. If not, you'd have to contact the vendor to ask.
Also, I wouldn't trust hearsay or second-hand information. If some poster on ECF or another Forum states that a certain juice does or does not contain diacetyl, I wouldn't consider that authoritative or trustworthy. Go straight to the horse's mouth and find out.
Also, I wouldn't trust hearsay or second-hand information. If some poster on ECF or another Forum states that a certain juice does or does not contain diacetyl, I wouldn't consider that authoritative or trustworthy. Go straight to the horse's mouth and find out.
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Hello Bill.
Thank you so much for your help. Navigating a 350 page thread on a phone can be daunting at times. My internet decided to die on me. I'm hating being stuck with this 5 inch screen. I really do appreciate you taking the time to reply to me. This list is exactly what I need to order from.
I might order a few that are not in this category as well. I won't be craving sweet things forever(i hope). Now to go back and check out that list. I'll try to come back and share my opinions if that's acceptable. Thanks again and have a good one!
My palate/brain goes through phases---I'll crave sweet, dessert-type vapes for a week or two, then back to mainly tobaccos---either pure NETs or hybrids---then maybe take a vacation into fruit blends. No matter what category I'm leaning toward, I'm still a juice bumblebee. I vape many different juices each day, flitting from one to another all day long.
Yes, by all means come back and share your experiences and thoughts about RY4s.
I got out my drawer of DIY RY4s, which have been steeping for months, and re-sampled all that were made using a commercially-available RY4 flavoring concentrate.
I don't keep these loaded in cartos, so I vaped them by atty-dripping into a 1.8 ohm IKV i06 powered by a variable-wattage VAMO set to 8.5 watts. The grades are my reaction today. The list below doesn't include all the RY4 flavoring concentrates I have, just the ones that have been made up into juice and stored. The ones in boldface are my top five recommendations.
DIY RY4 Test
A…..FlavourArtUK Nutzilla---shockingly great, the clear winner
A…..Want2Vape RY4---except for the dark color, almost as good as it gets
A-….TFA RY4 Double---among the best standalone custom RY4 flavorings
A-….HealthCabin Ruyan#4/RY4---tasty stuff, very pleasing
B+…Hangsen Essence RY4---very nice, not quite Classic but close
B+…FlavourArt RY4---good, solid custom RY4
B+…TotallyWicked RY5---very nice but (sadly) discontinued
B…..W2V Rock Star---tasty, but not truly RY4-like
B…..EcigExpress Tobacco Express RY4---much better now that it’s steeped
B-….TFA RY4 Asian---not really the Classic profile; caramel stands out; better when fresh
C……EcigExpress Tobacco Express Ruyan 4---extremely caramel-dominant, unbalanced
D-…TFA RY4 Exclusive---lousy; maple flavor that doesn't harmonize; not worth keeping
I don't keep these loaded in cartos, so I vaped them by atty-dripping into a 1.8 ohm IKV i06 powered by a variable-wattage VAMO set to 8.5 watts. The grades are my reaction today. The list below doesn't include all the RY4 flavoring concentrates I have, just the ones that have been made up into juice and stored. The ones in boldface are my top five recommendations.
DIY RY4 Test
A…..FlavourArtUK Nutzilla---shockingly great, the clear winner
A…..Want2Vape RY4---except for the dark color, almost as good as it gets
A-….TFA RY4 Double---among the best standalone custom RY4 flavorings
A-….HealthCabin Ruyan#4/RY4---tasty stuff, very pleasing
B+…Hangsen Essence RY4---very nice, not quite Classic but close
B+…FlavourArt RY4---good, solid custom RY4
B+…TotallyWicked RY5---very nice but (sadly) discontinued
B…..W2V Rock Star---tasty, but not truly RY4-like
B…..EcigExpress Tobacco Express RY4---much better now that it’s steeped
B-….TFA RY4 Asian---not really the Classic profile; caramel stands out; better when fresh
C……EcigExpress Tobacco Express Ruyan 4---extremely caramel-dominant, unbalanced
D-…TFA RY4 Exclusive---lousy; maple flavor that doesn't harmonize; not worth keeping
So I take that FlavourArtUK Nutzilla can only be purchased in the UK? Also has anyone tried to order Janty RY4 from Europe since it is cheaper?
It seems I couldn't put FlavourArtUK RY4 Nutzilla into the shopping cart. The site didn't seem to be functioning properly for me. An email query to the 'info' address on the site bounced.
The triumvirate is not complete if a member is not available.
Yes, Nutzilla has to be ordered from the FlavourArtUK site and shipped over the pond. If Cool_Breeze can't get it, however, maybe it's not possible. Mine came as a review sample from John, the owner of FlavourArtUK, so I didn't order it.
All my Janty has come from JantyUSA.
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