The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

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I am sad. I have EC Blend's RY4, Highbrow Vapors RY4, and one from a little B&M store here...and I'm not feeling the RY4 love. I want so badly to like it! I should LOVE it. But for some reason they all taste the same and funny to me. I'm thinking it's me and not the juices, as they all are similar. Steep and wait, I guess. I want to love an RY4. I should love an RY4......wanders off talking to self a la Milton Wadams....
 

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Much love for RY4 here for sure and that sucks to think you cant find RY4 love :D..Well good news since there is over 150 RY4s out, there is enough to go around, so I am sure we could help you for what your looking for....So are you looking for something certain in a RY4 or just a RY4 that you like? Unfortantanly I would luv to tell you to try so and so but its going to all come down to what you like so my best advised is to dig deep :ohmy: and start hitting the Big List trying all you can and I am sure you will find something you love in a RY4...but I will give my :2c: of faves and this changes often...


Janty DK RY4
Want2Vape RY4
Vapor..... OUR-Y4
Vapor4Life Jammin
 

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amy,

All four of the choices passerbyeus suggested are very highly-regarded RY4s. Janty and Vapor..... are what we call Classic RY4s, while Want2Vape and V4L Jammin are both from the newer genre called Custom RY4s.

The two you mentioned by name are both Custom RY4s. Perhaps you should try a Classic RY4 next. I'd single out Janty RY4 DK Series as the acid-test. That is the original, first-ever RY4 from way back in 2007, and if you don't like that one, you probably won't like most RY4s. We can't even be certain about that, however, because Custom RY4s are all over the map in their flavor profiles. The only way you'll know for sure is to vape a bunch of them to find out.

Here's a link to the vendor page: Janty RY4 DK Series

And if it turns out that you just don't like RY4s, that's OK too. The Wonderful, Wacky World o' Juices is humongous, so if you don't cotton to a certain category of eliquid, just move right on to another. As Bob Dylan sang, "Don't think twice, it's alright..."
 

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specs: the 15ml bottle of Indigo RY Version 2 I received free from Tony, IndigoVapor’s owner/juicemaster, contains a pale golden transparent liquid. My bottle has no title or info about the juice, but I’d guess that it’s 18-24mg nic in a base blend with a significant ratio of VG, judging from the thick viscosity of the liquid. Testing was done by loading a 3.0ohm BogeXL carto on a variable-power VAMO set to different wattages, from 6.0 to 9.0.

Back on December 23rd, I reviewed Indigo RY here in post #3382 (that's a link). I liked that Custom RY4 very much, because it was crisp, punchy, and beautifully blended. Initially, I gave it an A grade, but subsequently docked it half a grade to A- when I learned that the subtle flavor element I couldn’t identify was cocoa. (I’m admittedly a little biased against chocolate/cocoa in RY4.)

Last week, Tony PM’d me about a second RY4 he’s made and asked if I’d like to sample it. He said that this new one is more conservative in its ingredients, using just the Holy Trinity of tobacco, caramel, and vanilla---and nothing else. The new version isn’t listed on the Indigo web site, but I'd guess that Tony would probably make some for anyone who asks.

I’m vaping this sample of what I'll call Indigo RY V2 without much in the way of specific info. I’m not sure what it may end up being named, nor do I know the nic content or the base blend. What I do know is that Tony has created another lovely RY4. This one leans toward the Classic genre, although I wouldn’t say that it’s entirely Classic. It still has a Custom feel, but this time with a Classic lineage.

What don’t I like about Indigo RY V2? Well, almost nothing. This is another great RY4. To run it through a more strenuous critical filter, I had to get out my carto of Janty RY4 DK Series (which is the original, first-ever RY4 created way back in 2007, and still the gold standard against which other Classic RY4s must be measured.) Compared head-to-head, Indigo RY V2 has a brighter caramel and no sour element. The tobacco and vanilla components in both juices are very similar, with the vanilla remaining a background flavor. Both are balanced and very well-blended.

Personally, I find RY V2 to be more stimulating, with a liquid nic that provides greater kick, while Janty RY4 DK is a bit deeper and slightly more satisfying. Janty is also sweeter and benefits from the contrast with its subtle sourness, which is missing in Indigo V2. So---for me anyway---Janty is still the reigning champion.

That said, Indigo RY V2 is yet another superlative RY4 for The Big List, a second effort from a solid vendor, and deserving of the same high grade as RY V1 earned---an A-.

Since it’s not offered the web site, I’ll link to the “About Us” page of the Indigo site for those who want to contact Tony about perhaps getting some RY V2:

IndigoVapor contact info
 

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Vendor: QuickNic
Liquid: ouR whY Quatro
Price: $2.99/5 mL, $7.99/15 mL, $14.00/30 mL, $27.99/60 mL, $52.99/120 mL, $104.99/240 mL (Prices represent current sale)
Color: Dark (think, Pepsi dark)
Vendor Description: A slightly different take than our original RY4. We start with a QNJ naturally extracted fire cured tobacco flavor, add some naturally extracted vanilla tobacco and top it off with a touch of caramel.
Ratio Ordered and Nic %: 35% VG at 24 mg
Device for review: ProVari at 3.7 v
Atty used: Empire Mods 510 1.5 Ω with drip shield

This juice is only a couple days steeped, so this is a fresh juice review.

Removing the cap, the first thing that met my nostrils was caramel. The caramel isn't so complex, but it isn't boring either--a slightly bitter, dark-brown caramel rather than a simple and sweet, light brown caramel. Okay, just another caramel vape disguised as RY4?! Upon the first drop onto the coil the next thing that met my nostrils was a deep vanilla bean type of vanilla, and quite a bit of it. Okay, two for two, but still seemingly common, at least for non-traditional RY4s (related to, but much more vociferous than, say, GJ4 and without the tobacco funk.) Where is the tobacco? It's not coming through just from popping the cap or dripping into the atty (my nose never went directly to the dropper). That's strange, I get ZERO tobacco coming from the bottle. Where is the tobacco? Maybe I should vape it?! LOL

HELLO...there it is! My eyes opened wide while I continued to drag on my drip tip. The tobacco came through with a vengeance on the first vape!

It's weird that so many naturally extracted tobaccos do this odd thing where the nose of the leaf remains vacant until the actual vape. This juice is no exception. The Fire-Cured tobacco in Our Why Quatro does not disappoint an NET vaper such as myself (and I am pretty discerning with tobacco vapes.) Many times when I vape RY4s, vanilla and caramel, the two ingredients that I think should play supporting roles are all too often the stars of the show. While this vanilla and caramel are definitely awesome in their supporting roles--and play nice solos, too--the front-man is definitely tobacco...Fire-Cured tobacco and he is not getting upstaged.

The first inhale I tasted and smelled the caramel and vanilla, but the bold and aggressive tobacco jumped to the front of the line and actually startled me as I exhaled (***I had forgotten what tobacco was in the juice before vaping it). After the vapor was out of me and in the room, the caramel and vanilla seemed to envelop my atmosphere, but the tobacco's smokey and sparky flavor remained on my palate. My mouth was set ablaze and the room smelled sweet. That is vaping!

I can say with certainty and without pause, ouR whY Quatro is an exciting tobacco vape that happens to be a lively and almost rambunctious RY4. This juice occupies a vacancy in my stash that I had begun to believe was not going to be filled. I am more than satisfied to have found this juice, and while it may not be an EDV (every day vape)--it's too good to gulp, it will be a re-order. This is a keeper.

***Interested in another Fire-Cured tobacco? Try Fire-Cured Tobacco (nude, no accessories) from Nick at GoodeJuice (a friend of Rich at QuickNic.)
 

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Thanks, Mr.Mann. I appreciate your visit, here at this late hour in your ECF lifetime.

passer, didn't the RY4 Legislature pass a law some time ago making the hangdude sole custodian of all QuickNic RY4s? I can't remember. If so, I've broken the law, because I ordered a 5ml sample bottle of QuickNic ouR whY qu4tro last week, along with samples of two other QNJ NETs (Grandpa's Night Cap and Habana Daydream). Haven't gotten the package yet, but I'll review ouR whY qu4tro after arrival and steeping.
 

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I have given my ouR whY qu4tro from Quick Nic a full week to steep. Today was the first day I filled a carto and tasted it.

Great review Mr Mann! I also note the strong fire cured tobacco. This vape is smokey and full of caramel and vanilla. Full of flavor!

A couple notes. The ouR whY qu4tro is very dark colored, and it is almost sticky thick (at 35% VG). I think Rich actually melted the caramel directly into this blend. If you don't like rich, bold flavors, you can leave this one alone. I am not a fan of fire cured tobacco, but the caramel and vanilla really help to make this taste good. It doesn't top my favorite (QNJ's original RY4), but this is a good change of pace.

I would put this version of RY4 just out of my top 10. It is nothing like any RY4 I have ever tried. The reason is entirely the fire cured tobacco. Fire cured just tastes weird to me.

Bill, I will get your bottles of Captains Delight and Missouri Bottoms from VtR out on Monday. I was planning on adding 10ml of ouR whY qu4tro, but I guess that is not now needed. It may take me a while, but I will finish this bottle. Not at all bad, just different, very different.
 

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Dude, is there another RY4 that resembles ouR whY qu4tro ? This sounds interesting and I might have to order some. I don't think I have vaped any fire cured tobacco juices before or if I have, did not know it. BWB has a honey flue cured juice that I like, but flue cured and fire cured - are they the same?
 

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Dude, is there another RY4 that resembles ouR whY qu4tro ? This sounds interesting and I might have to order some. I don't think I have vaped any fire cured tobacco juices before or if I have, did not know it. BWB has a honey flue cured juice that I like, but flue cured and fire cured - are they the same?

I only call it fire cured, because that is what Rich calls it (Quick nic Juice ouR whY qu4tro Naturally Extracted Tobacco flavored e-liquid 6ml bottle. E-juice Made in the U.S.A). It has a woody, smokey taste to it unlike any other ejuice I've tried. It is so very different than what I am used to.

I am not into flue cured, but this is probably very similar.
 

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Both are heat-driven methods of tobacco curing, as opposed to air-curing, sun-curing, or the pressure fermentation method used with Perique.

from Wikipedia:

Flue-cured tobacco was originally strung onto tobacco sticks, which were hung from tier-poles in curing barns (Aus: kilns, also traditionally called oasts). These barns have flues which run from externally fed fire boxes, heat-curing the tobacco without exposing it to smoke, slowly raising the temperature over the course of the curing. The process will generally take about a week. This method produces cigarette tobacco that is high in sugar and has medium to high levels of nicotine. The Smith Tobacco Barn is an example of a traditional, flue-cured tobacco barn.

Fire-cured tobacco is hung in large barns where fires of hardwoods are kept on continuous or intermittent low smoulder and takes between three days and ten weeks, depending on the process and the tobacco. Fire curing produces a tobacco low in sugar and high in nicotine. Pipe tobacco, chewing tobacco, and snuff are fire cured.

from PipesMagazine.com:

Flue curing is curing by exposure to indirect heat, created by moving hot air, smoke or steam through a flue or pipe, and allowing the heat to radiate to heat the enclosure it’s housed within. The higher heat causes a more rapid drying effect, and is the traditional method for curing Virginia or Brightleaf, which gets its yellow color from the heat exposure. Flue cured tobacco generally has more sugar, less oil and a lower nicotine content. The presence of the sugar also leads to a lower pH, which may lead to a decreased propensity for this type of leaf to cause tongue bite, but can cause heat issues, as the sugars tend to result in a higher combustion temperature. Because of the ability of this curing method to "fix" sugars (maintain the sugars in a relatively stable percentage), a form of flue curing is used in making candela (green) cigar wrapper, as the heat not only fixes the sugars (which are fairly low in cigar leaf) but the chlorophyll as well, allowing the wrappers to stay green.

Fire curing is the tobacco equivalent of barbecuing. With this method, the leaf is exposed to open fires (smoldering rather than blazing) that give off smoke. In some cases, the amount of smoke is fairly moderate. Dark fired Kentucky (a form of Burley) has a modest smokiness that adds a woodsy bite. Latakia is also a fire cured tobacco, but with a far more pronounced smoke flavor and aroma due to the intensity of the fumes and aromatic quality of the wood used. The nicotine content and pH don’t seem to be severely affected by this process, as dark fired Kentucky, which has a significant nicotine level and a fairly high pH is not that much different than dark air cured; and Latakia’s moderate nicotine level and pH don’t vary all that greatly from the base leaf it is made of (in Cyprus- Smyrna; in Syria- Shek-al-Bint).


from ITGA (International Tobacco Growers Association):

Flue Curing
The most common curing process is known as flue-curing. Used mainly in the manufacture of cigarettes, the most common type of flue-cured tobacco is Virginia . This tobacco is also known as 'bright tobacco' because the heat-drying process gives the leaves a bright, golden colour. Originally from the south-eastern U.S. state of the same name, it is today the most grown tobacco variety in the world.

Flue-cured tobacco is dried in a closed building with furnace driven heat directed from flues or pipes that extend from a furnace into the barn. The temperature of the furnace is gradually raised until the leaves and stems are completely dried. Flue-curing takes about a week and fixes the natural sugar of the leaf, which has a high sugar and a medium-to-high nicotine content.
Today, many farmers find that bulk curing flue-cured tobacco is far more cost-effective. Racks of tobacco are placed in bulk barns where heat and ventilation are controlled while air is forced through the leaves.

Flue-cured varieties require warm weather, humidity, light rainfall and a sandy, loam soil for their four-month growing season.

Fire Curing
Although curing methods may vary, all fire-cured tobaccos are subjected to wood smoke to dry the leaves. It is the type of wood used to smoke the tobacco leaves and the amount of smoke exposure that gives fire-cured tobacco leaves their distinctive flavours.

Fire-cured tobacco, generally darker in colour, is used mostly for pipe tobacco mixtures, snuff, and chewing tobacco and has a low sugar but high nicotine content. Fire curing uses an enclosed barn similar to that used for flue-curing. Small fires are built on the floor, and the leaves cure in a smoke-laden atmosphere. Whereas flue-curing takes about a week, fire curing, using far lower temperatures, may take from a few days up to 4 weeks.

Fire-cured tobacco is dried with low-burning wood fires on the floors of closed curing barns. The leaves have low sugar content but high nicotine content. Fire-cured tobacco is a robust variety of tobacco used as a condimental for pipe blends, cigarettes, chewing tobacco, snuff and strong-tasting cigars.
 
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