I probably would never have tried them if LiteCig didn't start carrying them. I wasn't willing to follow the thread or send a check and then wait a long time.
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The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)
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I probably would never have tried them if LiteCig didn't start carrying them. I wasn't willing to follow the thread or send a check and then wait a long time.
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I actually liked it better when I had to send a MO; shipping time was down to 1-2 weeks rather then the usual 3-4 weeks. Following the thread was a huge pain so I totally agree with you on that.
i know you have had the Hershey's assorted candy bars, Casablanca would be the Mr Goodbar. It is chocolate and peanuts (and maybe other nuts) with tobacco. The nuttiness is the strongest flavor. The chocolate is light, but there.
Tobacco is there, but not really out front. BWB does a good job of giving a tobacco feel to a nicquid,without making it taste like a smokey campfire.
Thanks Dude. I don't know if you've tried the Harbor Nite from NLV - just wondering what you thought of it. I've never ordered from BWB-isn't that the one that has Bobas?
Thanks Bill....Is this the one they compare to Bounty Hunter from NLV?
They are two different tasting juices, but do have some things in common. They where both extremely popular, and used by many as an ADV for those who stick to one juice. They both are made in large batches and tended to often be out of stock and hard to get. Both where flagship juices to their vendor. Both are listed as being a tobacco while containing little if any tobacco flavor to most vapers.
Flavorwise, they are both carbohydrates lol. Meaning, the flavor people often associate with them are often the same as flour based foods such as graham cracker or raisin bran for BB and cereal, cookie, cake, or pancakes for BH, or sugary carbs like maple and honey are detected. For me BB does taste just like honey graham crackers, while I haven't linked BH to a specific food in my mind yet. It is gooey and rich like a carb heavy dessert. I really enjoy juices that have a rich, dense sweetness from caramel, maple, butterscotch, brown sugar, and even vanilla. Quite different from a fruit sweetness (which I also like) or a candy sweetness.
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Wow!! Great descriptions. I do like Bounty Hunter & find myself going to that & Renegade most of the time. I just checked AVE's site & after all the hype, I guess I MUST place an order, if for nothing else, just to find out & get it out of my system. The other one I have to look into is their Gorilla Juice; there's tons of raves on that one also. Any unbiased input on that one?
BTW....You should be hired to pen their descriptions - best I've ever seen & thank you!
Thanks! I think they prefer to list these flavors as tobaccos to help sell it. Not as many people would have jumped on Bobas if they listed it as a graham cracker vape. Some people do get tobacco from these vapes, but most that have experience with real tobacco juices find little or no correlation. I think it would be more fair for them to list these as dessert vapes, or even dessert-tobacco. If you read reviews on these you will find that people disagree on what they are tasting, but many do list carbohydrate type foods. Tobacco can carry cereal or wheat-like notes to further confuse things.
For me and several others, Bobas isn't just kind of like honey graham crackers, but exactly like it. I wouldn't have guessed a graham cracker flavored vape to be all that great. It really is popular for good reason though, and when I was really digging it I would crave that specific flavor at times. Like nearly all juices I have lost the lust for it, though it's good occasionally, and I can see picking it up again in a couple years if it's still around and enjoying it again. Gorilla Juice was good too, but had no desire to reorder it after 10ml. It's pretty much Boba's with banana, so for me graham cracker and banana.
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Jerms has outdone anything I could have written about Boba's Bounty and Bounty Hunter. Both juices were significant for me during an earlier phase of my vaping journey, from mid-2011 through mid-2012. Bounty Hunter and NLV Gold were primary among my stable of favorite juices during much of that period, and while I never quite loved Boba's, I did go through about three bottles of it.
While I no longer cherish Bounty Hunter and Gold as I did early on, in the second half of 2011, I still like them and continue to vape both sporadically. I have no Boba's left in my stash and don't wish to acquire more. My diminished passion for all three juices leaves me with insufficient motivation for lengthy or detailed descriptions of them, so Jerms has performed more admirably than I could.
A derisive acronym invented by posters on the Natural Tobaccos thread applies to all three of those juices, which were downright legendary in their day and remain quite popular even now. The acronym is TINO, which stands for "Tobacco in Name Only." Boba's, Bounty Hunter, and GOLD are all TINOs. That's a sarcastic way of saying that they are marketed as tobacco juices, claimed by their creators to use a tobacco base (synthetic tobacco flavoring for BH and GOLD, and natural extract for Boba's), but in fact contain precious little if any discernible tobacco flavor. Instead, the tobacco component is used mainly as a base carrier for the additional flavors that provide each juice's overall taste.
And yes, I agree that Bounty Hunter and Boba's are, at their cores, basically dessert-type bakery vapes---Boba's is the graham cracker/raisin bran entry, while BH is the vanilla wafer candidate. BH also has additional rich sweetness that Boba's stops short of, but in both juices the sweetened carbohydrate components carry infinitely more impact than anything even vaguely resembling tobacco.
While I no longer cherish Bounty Hunter and Gold as I did early on, in the second half of 2011, I still like them and continue to vape both sporadically. I have no Boba's left in my stash and don't wish to acquire more. My diminished passion for all three juices leaves me with insufficient motivation for lengthy or detailed descriptions of them, so Jerms has performed more admirably than I could.
A derisive acronym invented by posters on the Natural Tobaccos thread applies to all three of those juices, which were downright legendary in their day and remain quite popular even now. The acronym is TINO, which stands for "Tobacco in Name Only." Boba's, Bounty Hunter, and GOLD are all TINOs. That's a sarcastic way of saying that they are marketed as tobacco juices, claimed by their creators to use a tobacco base (synthetic tobacco flavoring for BH and GOLD, and natural extract for Boba's), but in fact contain precious little if any discernible tobacco flavor. Instead, the tobacco component is used mainly as a base carrier for the additional flavors that provide each juice's overall taste.
And yes, I agree that Bounty Hunter and Boba's are, at their cores, basically dessert-type bakery vapes---Boba's is the graham cracker/raisin bran entry, while BH is the vanilla wafer candidate. BH also has additional rich sweetness that Boba's stops short of, but in both juices the sweetened carbohydrate components carry infinitely more impact than anything even vaguely resembling tobacco.
So now the next question for the RY4 thread would have to be, "Which RY4s would be considered TINO?"
@Jerms, Bill & Dude....
You guys are terrific & I can't thank you enough!! After reading & rereading what all 3 of you wrote, I've decided to stick w/my DIY & basically finish my stock of over-rated & raved-over liquids. I have found some fantastic flavorings that I actually prefer to any off the shelf liquids & frankly I'm reallly tired of chasing 'raves' & throwing money out the window. The 3 of you should start a REAL REVIEW of liquids as your honesty & descriptions are much needed.
While I'm sure I'll probably still order an occasional bottle of this or that, the fact is I've never smoked a strawberry or a kiwi & was just searching for my old B&H or Salem & that really is easy enough to come close to on my own. Sooooo, my thanks to the 3 of you for taking the time to help.....you're wonderful!!
You guys are terrific & I can't thank you enough!! After reading & rereading what all 3 of you wrote, I've decided to stick w/my DIY & basically finish my stock of over-rated & raved-over liquids. I have found some fantastic flavorings that I actually prefer to any off the shelf liquids & frankly I'm reallly tired of chasing 'raves' & throwing money out the window. The 3 of you should start a REAL REVIEW of liquids as your honesty & descriptions are much needed.
While I'm sure I'll probably still order an occasional bottle of this or that, the fact is I've never smoked a strawberry or a kiwi & was just searching for my old B&H or Salem & that really is easy enough to come close to on my own. Sooooo, my thanks to the 3 of you for taking the time to help.....you're wonderful!!
Depends on who you ask. For a hard-core NET killer-tobacco purist---meaning someone whose all-day-vape is Ahlusion Blue Grass Burley, w2v/Vapenstein London, or MOV Apache, the answer might be: "All of them. Every Classic RY4 ever made is TINO, along with about 2/3 of the Custom RY4s."
If you ask me, however, I'd say that we can't (or at least shouldn't) apply TINO to RY4s. Admittedly, the acronym could technically apply to RY4s in its true denotative meaning of tobacco being used as an element in a given juice blend, but not having much of an obvious flavor presence. That's because in the ideal, Classic RY4s are intended to be so well-blended and unified that no single flavor element stands out. However, the epithet doesn't fit in its connotative meaning, which is a put-down aimed at juices claiming to be one thing (tobacco) when they're actually something else.
My personal position on RY4s is that they shouldn't be considered "tobacco blends," per se, but instead as a unique hybrid. In the scheme of things, while some Custom RY4s have a stronger tobacco element, I'd place RY4 as a category closer to the sweet dessert end of the eliquid scale than to the tobacco end. That's just my opinion, of course. If I'm wrong about that, then lots of RY4s might be TINO. No doubt the case could be argued both ways.
If my memory is accurate, the acronym itself was originally coined during a disagreement among posters on the Natural Tobaccos thread about HeathersHeavenlyVapes (HHV) NETs. Juices such as Gandalf/Legend, Pirate's Booty, and Dragon's Fire are trumpeted as NETs, since they do indeed use a base of naturally-extracted tobacco, but so many other flavors are then added that, according to some posters, the tobacco element is smothered or masked to the point of inconsequence. Other thread posters loyal to or just more in love with HHV hybrids immediately protested, and a brief donnybrook ensued, during which TINO was invented (the equivalent of a roundhouse right), then quickly aimed at other ultra-popular so-called "tobacco" juices, such as Boba's and Bounty Hunter. The melee didn't last long before diplomacy was restored, but the acronym still surfaces on the Natural Tobaccos thread from time to time when someone wants to take down a particular juice a peg or two.
Anyway, being derisive is not a winning proposition for me. Gentle sarcasm is about as far as I'm willing to go in public, and TINO is much harsher than that---it's definitely a slap in the face.
So I got the Janty DK RY4 in from the Europe site and it only took less then two weeks it was almost faster then the USA site.
What??? You mean it's arrived, and yet you haven't vaped any yet? We're awaiting your opinion and judgment with bated breath.
I've got to say, Smokeless Image's RY4 tastes the best to me. It reminds me of buttered pancakes covered in syrup. If anyone knows of a liquid clone of SI's RY4 that might be a little cheaper (other than Bloog), please let me know! If anyone knows the actual manufacturer I would have no problem bulk ordering to get some at a cheaper price.
I tried RY4 and Double RY4 from Chi-Town vapers and wasn't really happy with the taste from either. Maybe it's the 100% PG, but it all tasted like there were lemons in it.
I tried RY4 and Double RY4 from Chi-Town vapers and wasn't really happy with the taste from either. Maybe it's the 100% PG, but it all tasted like there were lemons in it.
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Bloog/Smokeless Image Volt RY4 has been in my personal Top 10 for a heck of a long time. Even more than Dekang, I consider SI Volt RY4 to be second only to Janty as the Pinnacle of Classic RY4s.
As to which Chinese manufacturer makes it and whose specs they use, that information is most likely held by the vendors as a closely-guarded proprietary secret. Maybe it's leaked into the public domain somewhere, but I doubt that it's easily accessible.
My only advice is to bite the bullet and stock up during sales. HealthCabin RY4 is pretty good and will be cheaper, but I'd wager that it probably won't hit the sweet spot for you.
I can't remember the last time I vaped any juice that was 100% PG. Makes my spinal cord shrivel up just thinking about it.
Interestingly, I FOUND the bottle of Dekang RY4 that I had loved so dearly (even has a few drops left in it, that I'm coveting for the birth of a new child or one of the current ones leaving the nest...). I digress. It's Born-On-Date is 10.20.2009. Is that still within the range of Ludo's "original"??
I ask this because my Janty DK doesn't even SMELL like it, much less taste the same. Maybe steeping is in order, but IDK. I get a more obvious caramel from the Dekang. My original could possibly be more akin to the Janty "Classic", and not the DK.
I ask this because my Janty DK doesn't even SMELL like it, much less taste the same. Maybe steeping is in order, but IDK. I get a more obvious caramel from the Dekang. My original could possibly be more akin to the Janty "Classic", and not the DK.
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Tony,
Your bottle of Dekang RY4 from late 2009 shouldn't taste or smell like Janty RY4.
As far as I know (which is to say, with some real info, some interpolation, and some guesswork), the mythic "lost" Dekang from 2009-early 2010 was Dekang's reformulation of the original Janty RY4 recipe, made sufficiently different that there would be no conflict, bad feeling, or (heaven forbid) litigation. Dekang reduced the vanilla, removed all trace of sourness, upped the caramel, and added sweetener (some who vaped it have said cotton candy flavoring).
My only mission is to try to get people to stop referring to the lost Dekang as the "original" RY4, which was from Janty, not Dekang. They are two different juices in recipe and overall taste. It's just that the majority of vapers never had the Janty original. Janty was a smaller company, their juices had limited availability, and their customer base wasn't nearly as large as Dekang's. For many vapers who started in 2008 and later, Dekang's version was the first RY4 they had or knew about, so naturally they assumed that it was the original. It's not. The lost Dekang formula was, however, such an immensely popular revision that Janty decided to alter their original RY4 formula, moving it somewhat closer to the revised Dekang.
After the secret recipe for the revised and ultra-popular Dekang RY4 was stolen in spring of 2010 by the Dekang flavor chemist who was leaving to start his own juice company, Dekang came out with a new RY4 that was closer to (not identical, but more similar to) the original Janty RY4. Less caramel, less sweetness. By that time, Janty was no longer selling the original formula. What that means is that, in a manner of speaking, Janty and Dekang switched positions, with Janty RY4 becoming more Dekang-like, and Dekang RY4 become more Janty-like. No wonder people were confused.
So, your bottle is indeed the "lost" Dekang RY4. It just can't be compared to the Janty RY4 being marketed at that point. Janty was still selling their original formula in late 2009, but they were about to come out with their Classic series, in which their RY4 was subtly reformulated by tweaking the recipe profile. Later, in 2011, they made a more major revision by increasing the flavor intensity, especially the caramel, for the Elixir Series RY4s (two of them---more-PG and more-VG base blends). The original Janty is now available again as Janty RY4 DK-Series.
Clear as mud, eh?
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