The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)
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Hello all been studying this thread for a little while and looking to try some new tobacco lines. So far I love HHV heavenlly tobacco, sweet vapes RY4, as well as the NLV line specifically gold and renegade. So I love sweeter tobaccos and love hints of maple. So I have narrowed it down to either Mom and Pops or Mountain oak vapors to put a big order in with. So what do u think does one vendor out do the other. Thanks guys.
Mom and Pop's and Mountain Oak are my favorite two vendors. You will not go wrong with either.
That said, you might want to try Mt Baker (Mt Baker Vapor - Electronic Cigarettes, USA made E Juice, and Accessories). Their RY4 has a hint of maple in it. The maple is the main reason why it is graded lower than some in this thread. And if you do like it, you can buy 15ml/$5, 30ml/$7.50, and 50ml for only $11. That makes it about half the price of the other popular vendors. Also their shipping is cheap and very fast.
I agree with thehangdude.
Mom&Pop and MOV are both terrific vendors who make and sell tasty juices, but Mt.Baker RY4 is what you're looking for. (I'm not a fan of maple in my RY4, so it did get a lower ranking from me.)
Order it with at least one and maybe two extra flavor shots. At Mt.Baker's prices, 50mls is a steal. Google or check their facebook page for a 10% off coupon.
Mom&Pop and MOV are both terrific vendors who make and sell tasty juices, but Mt.Baker RY4 is what you're looking for. (I'm not a fan of maple in my RY4, so it did get a lower ranking from me.)
Order it with at least one and maybe two extra flavor shots. At Mt.Baker's prices, 50mls is a steal. Google or check their facebook page for a 10% off coupon.
Thanks for the quick reply. I did check out MBV but most of the reviews mentioned licorice . Not into that and heard their tobacco on a whole is a little weak. To me Heavenlly tobacco has a nice maple overtone especially right out of the mail, when I vape it at work people are looking for the pancakes. Guess I'm looking for a number of good tobaccos from one vender, and don't mind paying for high quality. Will just have to flip a coin.
Whenever someone mentions Want2Vape RY4, I smile.
As one of the first vendors (along with Todd at VapeRite) to offer juices made from in-house brewed naturally extracted tobacco (NET) way back at the beginning of 2011, Donley is a true pioneer of that movement. His early NET cigar vapes (ACID Blondie, Alcazar, and Tabak Especial, now called Coffee-Infused Cigar) were---and still are---extraordinary. His pairing up with Doctor V. to produce the Vapenstein Blends (London, Louisville, Managua, Paris, Stockholm) set very high standards for aromatic pipe, cigar, and Euro cigarette natural extracts. The only knock on w2v NETs is that they gunk up coils too fast, but that's a small price to pay for such luxurious and true tobacco flavors.
Want2Vape also offers a number of very good retail juices made with synthetic tobacco flavoring, among them two very highly rated Custom RY4s: w2v RY4 and w2v Rock Star. On top of that, both are also offered as a flavoring concentrate for DIY. I mix the RY4 strong at 25% for deep, rich flavor, but even at that, it costs about 25¢/ml, which is a steal.
Want2Vape doesn't get nearly as much praise or recognition as it deserves, so if I seem like a cheerleader, I am---unabashedly.
Anyone looking for a great RY4 should consider Want2Vape.
As one of the first vendors (along with Todd at VapeRite) to offer juices made from in-house brewed naturally extracted tobacco (NET) way back at the beginning of 2011, Donley is a true pioneer of that movement. His early NET cigar vapes (ACID Blondie, Alcazar, and Tabak Especial, now called Coffee-Infused Cigar) were---and still are---extraordinary. His pairing up with Doctor V. to produce the Vapenstein Blends (London, Louisville, Managua, Paris, Stockholm) set very high standards for aromatic pipe, cigar, and Euro cigarette natural extracts. The only knock on w2v NETs is that they gunk up coils too fast, but that's a small price to pay for such luxurious and true tobacco flavors.
Want2Vape also offers a number of very good retail juices made with synthetic tobacco flavoring, among them two very highly rated Custom RY4s: w2v RY4 and w2v Rock Star. On top of that, both are also offered as a flavoring concentrate for DIY. I mix the RY4 strong at 25% for deep, rich flavor, but even at that, it costs about 25¢/ml, which is a steal.
Want2Vape doesn't get nearly as much praise or recognition as it deserves, so if I seem like a cheerleader, I am---unabashedly.
Anyone looking for a great RY4 should consider Want2Vape.
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So I got my order in for Gold Rising. I was reading another review about this so called RY4 and someone stated that there could be hints of coco also with the honey, is any one else getting this becuz that would be honey, coco, caramel and vanilla, that does not sound like even a custom RY4 to me ???
So I got my order in for Gold Rising. I was reading another review about this so called RY4 and someone stated that there could be hints of coco also with the honey, is any one else getting this becuz that would be honey, coco, caramel and vanilla, that does not sound like even a custom RY4 to me ???
passer,
Why not just taste it yourself, then you'll be able to tell us authoritatively whether or not it's an RY4 to your palate.
FWIW, I don't taste cocoa in Gold Rising. Doesn't mean it's not there, but my palate doesn't pick it up.
Anyway, we're definitely in the gray zone here with these NETS. Ahlusion states plainly that this is their take on RY4, but it's possible that all the new NET-based RY4s need to be in their own sub-type.
well I think if I go to the store and if they had RY4 creamer which is a great idea btw 
and it said it has caramel ,vanilla, and honey plus if it did have cocoa and then right next to it was a RY4 with just caramel and vanilla I would be really confused unless the name brand was RY4 lol so why not just start useing RY4 as a name brand since apparently its becomiong more then just a RY4 
and it said it has caramel ,vanilla, and honey plus if it did have cocoa and then right next to it was a RY4 with just caramel and vanilla I would be really confused unless the name brand was RY4 lol so why not just start useing RY4 as a name brand since apparently its becomiong more then just a RY4
passer,
I understand your point, of course. Which additional flavorings, how much, and how many can be added to the Holy Trinity of tobacco, caramel, and vanilla before RY4 is stretched so far out of shape that it loses its singular or at least recognizable identity? On the thread, you are the resident Keeper of RY4 Standards. So I get it that you're just doing your job.
Since the whole Vaping Universe is a virtual wild west for creating and marketing products, the days of only Janty and Dekang RY4s passed into history years ago. Even though we may continue to use them as reference standards, the days of easy clarity about RY4 are long gone. Over time, so many juice-makers have messed with the recipe for RY4 that the flavor envelope is now stretched just about as far as it can go without snapping. Right from the beginning of the thread, we discussed RY4s versus RY4-variants, which then eventually morphed into the current division between Classic and Custom RY4s. Right now, the new crop of NET-based RY4s are throwing yet another monkey wrench into that structure.
If we insist on defining an RY4 as tobacco-caramel-vanilla ONLY, The Big List will shrink from its current 120 RY4s to about 30, if that many. That seems a bit strict to me, plus it makes liars out of 90 or more vendors.
My method of defining what is or isn't an RY4 has taken refuge in an admittedly subjective and imprecise, but (for me) fairly reliable method: If I vape a certain juice, and my brain says "Ooh, RY4," then it is an RY4, and it goes on The Big List. If the juice is named RY4, then I cut it a little more slack in the tasting. If it's named something other than RY4, then it damn well better taste like one to me.
I am always open, however, to recalls and reconsiderations about my judgments. They're not cast in stone and are open to discussion and even debate.
I'll be very interested to read your take on Ahlusion Gold Rising after you vape it, because Gold Rising is on the bubble more than a juice like QuickNic ouR whY qu4tro. QNJ's NET-based juice has become much more obviously a bonafide Custom RY4 to me after additional steeping.
I understand your point, of course. Which additional flavorings, how much, and how many can be added to the Holy Trinity of tobacco, caramel, and vanilla before RY4 is stretched so far out of shape that it loses its singular or at least recognizable identity? On the thread, you are the resident Keeper of RY4 Standards. So I get it that you're just doing your job.
Since the whole Vaping Universe is a virtual wild west for creating and marketing products, the days of only Janty and Dekang RY4s passed into history years ago. Even though we may continue to use them as reference standards, the days of easy clarity about RY4 are long gone. Over time, so many juice-makers have messed with the recipe for RY4 that the flavor envelope is now stretched just about as far as it can go without snapping. Right from the beginning of the thread, we discussed RY4s versus RY4-variants, which then eventually morphed into the current division between Classic and Custom RY4s. Right now, the new crop of NET-based RY4s are throwing yet another monkey wrench into that structure.
If we insist on defining an RY4 as tobacco-caramel-vanilla ONLY, The Big List will shrink from its current 120 RY4s to about 30, if that many. That seems a bit strict to me, plus it makes liars out of 90 or more vendors.
My method of defining what is or isn't an RY4 has taken refuge in an admittedly subjective and imprecise, but (for me) fairly reliable method: If I vape a certain juice, and my brain says "Ooh, RY4," then it is an RY4, and it goes on The Big List. If the juice is named RY4, then I cut it a little more slack in the tasting. If it's named something other than RY4, then it damn well better taste like one to me.
I am always open, however, to recalls and reconsiderations about my judgments. They're not cast in stone and are open to discussion and even debate.
I'll be very interested to read your take on Ahlusion Gold Rising after you vape it, because Gold Rising is on the bubble more than a juice like QuickNic ouR whY qu4tro. QNJ's NET-based juice has become much more obviously a bonafide Custom RY4 to me after additional steeping.
So if a vendor calls their ejuice an RY4, (as long as it is not way off) it should be given RY4 status.
But what if they say it is not an RY4, yet the flavors are caramel, vanilla, and tobacco? Should we put it on the list?
My question is meant for Vape The Rockies' Capains Delight. I can taste the trifecta of flavors, with the tobacco being strong and almost pipe-like. It is a vanilla heavy RY4, but I can taste the caramel. It reminds me of how Mountain Oak's Pendragon is with cherry and vanilla. Not really added flavors, just an infusement of the non-tobacco flavors.
I know VtR was shooting for a Cavendish tobacco. But it tastes more like an RY4 than many of the vendor-claimed RY4s.
I know Bill has a good supply of Captains Delight. Maybe he can tell me if it contains the three flavors needed for RY4 status. And if it does, shouldn't it be on the list (even if it is meant as a pipe blend)?
But what if they say it is not an RY4, yet the flavors are caramel, vanilla, and tobacco? Should we put it on the list?
My question is meant for Vape The Rockies' Capains Delight. I can taste the trifecta of flavors, with the tobacco being strong and almost pipe-like. It is a vanilla heavy RY4, but I can taste the caramel. It reminds me of how Mountain Oak's Pendragon is with cherry and vanilla. Not really added flavors, just an infusement of the non-tobacco flavors.
I know VtR was shooting for a Cavendish tobacco. But it tastes more like an RY4 than many of the vendor-claimed RY4s.
I know Bill has a good supply of Captains Delight. Maybe he can tell me if it contains the three flavors needed for RY4 status. And if it does, shouldn't it be on the list (even if it is meant as a pipe blend)?
dude,
Perhaps you didn't get my PM to you from February 26th about the VtR care package. Or maybe it was delivered but you didn't see it, and thus haven't read it. Seems unlikely that you read it and have forgotten.
Here's an excerpt from that PM:
"OK, I've vaped Captain's Delight for about five minutes, the initial three minutes an hour ago, the second two just now. At no point in that five minutes of vaping---not for one single second---did my brain say to me, "RY4." Not as a statement, not as a question, not even as a whispered possibility.
I don't know what the ingredient flavorings are, but I don't care. The judgment of the court is easy: Captain's Delight is NOT an RY4."
I don't know what the ingredient flavorings are, but I don't care. The judgment of the court is easy: Captain's Delight is NOT an RY4."
I just atty-dripped Captain's Delight again. Same reaction. To me, it doesn't taste (or smell) like an RY4. I pick up some sort of spice afternote, and if there's caramel, it's a weird caramel. Or maybe the stronger vanilla is the weird flavor, I can't tell which it is. Not weird as in "bad" weird, but not RY4-like at all (at least to me). Captain's Delight strikes me as VtR's attempt at replicating an aromatic, spicy Cavendish pipe tobacco using synthetic flavorings. I'm thinking it's closer to an exotic Caribbean pipe tobacco blend, which does go with the name, you know, harkening back to the 18th-century Atlantic triangle trade in slaves-rum-sugar.
But let it never be said that I've succumbed to whatever dictatorial impulses lurk in my unconscious. If you think Captain's Delight qualifies as an RY4 and should be on The Big List, I'm game to putting it to a vote. The problem is that I'm not on the fence about this one---I'm already on record as a firm no---so, to win the judgment you'll need at least one additional vote from someone else who's vaped Captain's Delight and agrees with you.
I don't taste the spice afternote from Captains Delight (I get more spiciness from BWB's RY4). To me it smells and tastes just like an RY4. But after a quarter-million cigarettes, I admit my taste buds are less than ideal. So I will agree with you publicly in saying Captains Delight is not an RY4 (while privately using it to curb RY4 cravings).
I guess this is stark proof that no two tasters are alike. I'm sure somebody, somewhere pefers TFA RY4 Type to TFA RY4 Double.
Thank you Bill. I did read, and do remember your PM. I just used the public venue to close the Capains Delight question I had back in post #3432.
I guess this is stark proof that no two tasters are alike. I'm sure somebody, somewhere pefers TFA RY4 Type to TFA RY4 Double.
Thank you Bill. I did read, and do remember your PM. I just used the public venue to close the Capains Delight question I had back in post #3432.
I finally managed to be on Ahlusion's web site when they were actually allowing new customers to register! 30 mls of Gold Rising has been ordered and I am really looking forward to trying it. Passer, have you sampled yours yet? I would love to hear your take on it.
I am in the middle of a love fest with MOV's Full Virginia Flake, I just cannot put this stuff down - vaped 15mls in a little over a week and already re-ordered 30mls. In my own mind, this juice is what a RY4's tobacco should taste like and the vanilla and caramel are great too. Not too sweet, not too sour, just right.
NET's are front and center now with all my daily vapes.
I am in the middle of a love fest with MOV's Full Virginia Flake, I just cannot put this stuff down - vaped 15mls in a little over a week and already re-ordered 30mls. In my own mind, this juice is what a RY4's tobacco should taste like and the vanilla and caramel are great too. Not too sweet, not too sour, just right.
NET's are front and center now with all my daily vapes.
The subjectivity of taste is a cliché because it's true. And not just sort of true sometimes, but so unmistakably, undeniably true as to be downright boring and banal.
That said, I can't resist commenting that anyone who prefers TFA RY4 Type to RY4 Double has a palate that's way, way out there on the 10th standard deviation of the bell curve. LOL.
On Target,
Yeah, the four new NET-based RY4s I've been posting about recently---MOV Full Virginia Flake RY4, Ahlusion Gold Rising, QuickNic ouR whY qu4tro, and MyVapeJuice Rogue RY4---landed on my personal Vaping Planet like alien space ships carrying a higher intelligence. To call them game-changers is an understatement. Oh, I still love the best of the existing Classic and Custom RY4s made with synthetic, lab-based tobacco flavorings, but The Big RY4 List just got downsized for me by at least half, not to mention the carnage in the bulk of my other synthetic tobacco blend juices, which were hanging by a thread anyway, decimated by the ever-increasing invasion of NETs.
So I have been digging around the net and found a RY4 that has been out for almost a year and has not been brought up here yet, I will not say the name yet, but I read about it being like a werther's candy but not to sweet, I am really looking forward to bringing this to the round table to pass along if its worthy......
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I've ordered some of Vapor.....'s OuR-Y4. Should be here Friday Look forward to trying it.
Placed my order at JantyUSA today. The Elixer series was showing as an unavailable link, so settled on the DK series and the Classic series. Looking forward to trying these RY4 OGs!
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