The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

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Yes, peach aldehyde in Janty RY4s has been discussed on the thread earlier. Do a thread search. You'll find it.

Peach aldehyde is not generally used as a "peach" flavoring, at least I know of no such uses. Look at the description in the Perfumer's Apprentice page that Cool_Breeze linked:

"Fatty, coconut, creamy, vanilla, nutty, macadamia and peach." Peach is the last quality listed. On top of that, peach aldehyde is not technically a flavoring component at all---it's a cyclic ester or lactone, which is basically just an alcohol normally used in perfumes. Note also that it's listed on the Janty label under the heading "Base Ingredients," along with PG and vanillan, and the aldehyde is only 1%. So, this ingredient is pretty much "peach-in-name-only."

Fruit flavorings aren't used in Classic RY4s, but anything goes in Custom RY4s. I've seen a couple of RY4s that were described by the vendor as "fruity," but I didn't buy them, so they haven't been reviewed and aren't on The Big RY4 List.

A couple of people who received a sample bottle of my Skydancer NET-based RY4 have noted that they taste apricot, but that's their brains trying to define an unintentional by-product of the Nature's Flavors Caramel and Vanilla interacting with the citrus from a tiny bit of Lorann Tart & Sour. This is not to suggest that they're wrong---I mean, they taste what they taste---but there is no "apricot" in any version of Skydancer RY4.
 

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So I was just thinking about all the RY4s I have tried escpeically ones I do not like :D, there as been some pretty gross ones, but there was one that was really not gross but more of a big disappointment and that was KY4 from Vermillion River Premium E-Juice, not sure what happen there, they have a great tobacco line but making a RY4 did not seem to work for them, I would like to have seen a new version but guess not.
 
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RY4 is probably the most complex juice out there despite the fact that it seems like a simple mix of three flavors. It's all about how the flavors used in the juice interact together to form the flavors of caramel, vanilla, and tobacco in the user's mind. The way the flavors meld together is so critical with RY4. Juice taste is subjective, but that is especially the case with RY4. The way the flavors meld may create a very favorable reaction in some users and a ill-favored reaction in others. That's why I only use reviews to get me into the ballpark area of the type of RY4 I want and even then, there is still a chance I may not taste what others tasted and dislike the juice.

The search always continues for me, but it is a fun process. I always buy the smallest amount if I haven't tasted an RY4 because I never really know until I've had it myself...
 

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RY4 is probably the most complex juice out there despite the fact that it seems like a simple mix of three flavors. It's all about how the flavors used in the juice interact together to form the flavors of caramel, vanilla, and tobacco in the user's mind. The way the flavors meld together is so critical with RY4. Juice taste is subjective, but that is especially the case with RY4. The way the flavors meld may create a very favorable reaction in some users and a ill-favored reaction in others. That's why I only use reviews to get me into the ballpark area of the type of RY4 I want and even then, there is still a chance I may not taste what others tasted and dislike the juice.

The search always continues for me, but it is a fun process. I always buy the smallest amount if I haven't tasted an RY4 because I never really know until I've had it myself...

Yes, one of the core paradoxes of RY4 is that it's a relatively simple flavor, and yet, making a great RY4 is not simple at all.
 

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So I got my Smokeless Image Ry4 today. It's pretty good, but I was hoping for a more "buttery" kind of caramel and vanilla flavor, anyone know which of the good Ry4s have that quality?

Also I was wondering if SI changed their formula since time of review. The review says that it's 100%pg but the liquid seems thicker than some 70/30 formulas, also is the color is clear like water with a very slight tint. No big deal, just checking if they changed it, still pretty good though
 

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So I got my Smokeless Image Ry4 today. It's pretty good, but I was hoping for a more "buttery" kind of caramel and vanilla flavor, anyone know which of the good Ry4s have that quality?

Also I was wondering if SI changed their formula since time of review. The review says that it's 100%pg but the liquid seems thicker than some 70/30 formulas, also is the color is clear like water with a very slight tint. No big deal, just checking if they changed it, still pretty good though

Drew,

My bottle of SI Volt RY4 has a medium golden-colored liquid that is nowhere near clear. But then liquid does tend to darken with age (caused by the liquid nic, as I recall), and I don't remember what color my Volt RY4 was when new. As for the base ratio, my personal database says "blend," which is the term I use when the exact PG/VG ratio isn't specified on the bottle or by the vendor, but I feel that there's some of both. According to an SI rep in a thread I searched for, most Volt liquids are 90/10 PG/VG.

Ah, buttery. No wonder you like Skydancer v11. v11 isn't what I'd call buttery, but it's very creamy and "soft." You won't find many buttery/creamy RY4s. All Classic and most Custom RY4s use a caramel flavor that's fairly hard and focused. You might consider VR4 from Vaperite, which has a richer, more buttery caramel that's more like a poured ice cream topping than a chewy candy.

I'd encourage you not to give up on SI Volt RY4, however (unless you truly don't like the flavor, in which case you might as well sell it, give it away, or pour it down the drain, since life is too short to vape juice one doesn't like). SI Volt RY4 is a superb Classic RY4, right up there with the very best. For RY4 lovers who don't like the Janty sour-sweet counterbalance/contrast, Smokeless Image Volt RY4, Bloog RY4, or VaporTalk Dulcis are all terrific alternatives.
 

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SI Volt RY4 is a superb Classic RY4, right up there with the very best. For RY4 lovers who don't like the Janty sour-sweet counterbalance/contrast, Smokeless Image Volt RY4, Bloog RY4, or VaporTalk Dulcis are all terrific alternatives.

That gets me thinking I'd really dig the SI RY4. Not quite sold yet on the sour from Janty DK. I do love the flavor of the Janty Classic though, and the slight sour works for me on that one.

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Drew,

My bottle of SI Volt RY4 has a medium golden-colored liquid that is nowhere near clear. But then liquid does tend to darken with age (caused by the liquid nic, as I recall), and I don't remember what color my Volt RY4 was when new. As for the base ratio, my personal database says "blend," which is the term I use when the exact PG/VG ratio isn't specified on the bottle or by the vendor, but I feel that there's some of both. According to an SI rep in a thread I searched for, most Volt liquids are 90/10 PG/VG.

Ah, buttery. No wonder you like Skydancer v11. v11 isn't what I'd call buttery, but it's very creamy and "soft." You won't find many buttery/creamy RY4s. All Classic and most Custom RY4s use a caramel flavor that's fairly hard and focused. You might consider VR4 from Vaperite, which has a richer, more buttery caramel that's more like a poured ice cream topping than a chewy candy.

I'd encourage you not to give up on SI Volt RY4, however (unless you truly don't like the flavor, in which case you might as well sell it, give it away, or pour it down the drain, since life is too short to vape juice one doesn't like). SI Volt RY4 is a superb Classic RY4, right up there with the very best. For RY4 lovers who don't like the Janty sour-sweet counterbalance/contrast, Smokeless Image Volt RY4, Bloog RY4, or VaporTalk Dulcis are all terrific alternatives.

Yeah, maybe starting out with v11 is what made me crave that more creamy caramel ry4... SI RY4 isn't bad by any means and I am enjoying it, it's just that part of me wants that really creamy smooth flavor I was tasting with the v11... Thanks for all the advice Bill
 

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ok so I was at my brothers, and in the fridge I saw some International Delights Caramel Macchiato coffee creamer ( http://www.internationaldelight.com/Coffeehouse/Caramel-Macchiato ). So I figured to give it a try by itself and yes, it is that creamy caramel vanilla taste I was loving in the v11. So you're right Bill, it's a "creamy" not a "buttery" taste. Anything else besides Vaprite that has that? I don't like their price/size options
 

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So you're right Bill, it's a "creamy" not a "buttery" taste. Anything else besides Vaprite that has that? I don't like their price/size options

I'm not enough of a walking, talking database to have that information at my fingertips (or in my neocortex). Check out the "Caramel Rich" Category from the Category Groups, then read the reviews for those RY4s that are linked in The Big RY4 List.

Link to RY4 Category Groups: post #3620

Link to The Big RY4 List: post #3619
 

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I'm not enough of a walking, talking database to have that information at my fingertips (or in my neocortex). Check out the "Caramel Rich" Category from the Category Groups, then read the reviews for those RY4s that are linked in The Big RY4 List.

Link to RY4 Category Groups: post #3620

Link to The Big RY4 List: post #3619

No worries, you've already help out alot. I have been reading the reviews like crazy. Too bad there's not a "creamy caramel" sub-category since I'm not a big fan of the darker caramel which seems to be more common... Probably gonna try mom and pop ry4v2 next
 

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Drew,

VapeSyndicate has a version of RY4 they call Throat Yogurt. I just received my sample today, so I won't really review it yet. But let me give out my first impressions.

This is a good vape, with a good flavor and excellent throat hit. The tobacco is not overpowering, but gives this a nice strong tobacco flavor. I can't really seperate out any caramel or vanilla. Instead, there is a unique flavor of butterscotch. At least it's not maple. The butterscotch melds good with the tobacco. Is this an RY4? Not yet, it may steep into one. Currently it is a fine Butterscotch Tobacco.

The reason I rushed into a first take on Throat Yogurt is the discount VapeSyndicate has today. Bottles are discounted to $5/10ml and $12/30ml. They say it ends Sunday. Whether that means Sunday morning or Sunday night, I have no idea. If you order, you might want to try Lil Tart. The reviews on it have been good, too.

VapeSyndicate | Throat Yogurt


You want buttery? They call their Throat Yogurt an RY4, but it uses Butterscotch either in place of, or in addition to their caramel. I like the flavor, but I am not sure if it fits in the wide RY4 envelope.

I plan on mailing VapeSyndicate's Throat Yogurt and CigTechs' Ry4 to Bill for further review.
 

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You want buttery? They call their Throat Yogurt an RY4, but it uses Butterscotch either in place of, or in addition to their caramel. I like the flavor, but I am not sure if it fits in the wide RY4 envelope.

I plan on mailing VapeSyndicate's Throat Yogurt and CigTechs' Ry4 to Bill for further review.

Thanks, Ill check it out
 

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Bill,

When are you going to start The Really Big NATURALLY EXTRACTED TOBACCO Roundup (long) for us????

Pretty Please??

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Bill,

When are you going to start The Really Big NATURALLY EXTRACTED TOBACCO Roundup (long) for us???? Pretty Please??

Cnew,

Two threads already exist. No, they don't have the organized consumer-guide databases of this thread---The Big RY4 List, RY4 Category Groups, and RY4 Report Card---but you couldn't pay me enough to take on another job like that. LOL.

The main thread about NETs has more than 10,000 posts: Natural Tobaccos

Another thread worth reading is all about making one's own NETs at home with the easy maceration method: Slow Cooker Extraction of Tobacco and Tea

I participate in both those threads.
 

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Post numbers of reviews are active links that will open a new page of your browser and display the linked review (making it unnecessary to hunt through the pages of the thread to find a specific review, which was always a royal pain). Also, RY4s by Category Groups will now appear in a separate post.

I've tried to include all the notable reviews of RY4s that have been posted by other people, but I may have missed some. (It's hard enough just keeping track of my own reviews. LOL). I don't link to posts that just say, "I like such-and-such RY4," only to real reviews with some meat on their bones. RY4 reviews by others are listed in the vendor and review post number links, followed by their ECF names.


The Big RY4 List has seven sections:

1. RY4 Reviews - Classic and Custom Retail RY4s, with links to the vendor’s product page and post number links to the initial reviews and occasionally to follow-up reviews, mostly by Bill, but also by other thread posters (who are named)
2. RY4s not yet acquired for review
3. RY4s that are no longer available for one reason or another
4. Bill’s Reviews of RY4 premixed Flavoring Concentrates for DIY
5. Bill’s Reviews of Other Juices (non-RY4s)
6. Vaping Commentaries
7. Bill's Personal Top 20 Favorite RY4s and Top 5 RY4 premixed DIY flavorings


The Big RY4 List

Retail RY4 Reviews - Classic and Custom - by Bill, with a few by other thread posters
AltCig RY4 - post #1221
AltSmoke AltLiquid RY4 - post #1
AltSmoke HighCaliber Our 4 - post #388
Apollo E-Liquids/RY4 - post #2293
Awesome Clouds AC3 - post #2697
AwesomeVapor RY4 - post #1
BeachVapes RY4 - post #3455 (review by passerbyeus)
Bloog RY4 - posts #355, #439
BlueMistVaping RY4 - post #1
BlueMist RY4.5 - post #3277
BombayVaping RY4 - post #1814
BombayVaping RY5 - post #1814
CloudsOfVapor COV4 - post #2750
CopperCreek Voodoo - post #806
CopperCreek Twisted Tobacco - post #615
CrystalELiquid RY4 - post #1014
CrystalELiquid RY4 Double Tobacco - post #1998
DeeJStuff RY4 premixed - post #3366
DIYFlavorShack RY4 - posts #1072, #3612
DIYFlavorShack Caramel RY4 - post #3612
DIYFlavorShack Caramel-Vanilla RY4 - posts #1073, #3612
DIYFlavorShack Holy Holy Grail RY4 - post #3612
ECBlend Ruyan 4 (lite recipe) - post #618
EcigExpress My 4 - post #1222
EcigzUSA RY4 E-liquid - post #1827
EliteVaporworks RY4 - post #773
ElixirLiquid RY4 - post #1
Esmoke4Life Riskee Yuice - post #1
FeelLife RY4 from health007.net - post #3375
FreedomSmokeUSA RY4 - post #1
FreedomSmokeUSA RY5 - post #1035
GoodEJuice GJ4 - post #976
GoodEJuice RY4 - post #158
GoodLifeVapor Hooligan - post #3114
GoodProphets GP4 - post #944
GoodProphets 16mg VG Joyetech Liquid - post #3373
GourmetVapor RY4 (no link to vendor allowed on ECF) - post #241
GreenhouseOne RY4 - post #962
Halo Tribeca - post #157
HappyESmoker Happy E’s Favorite RY4 - post #3307
HealthCabin house-brand RY4 - post #982
HealthCabin Dekang RY4 - posts #575, #3895 (review by osmo)
Heather’sHeavenlyVapes Heavenly Tobacco - posts #1973, #3457 (review by Endor)
HighDesertEcigs Myshell’s RY4 - post #2987
HighbrowVapor Highbrowbacco RY4 - posts #1044, #1055
HitLiquid RY4 VG - post #3031
HoneyvilleVapor RY4 - post #287
HotVapes RY4 - post #1026
Ikenvape IKV RY4 Gold - post #1
IndigoVapor Indigo RY - post #3382
IndigoVapor Indigo Classic - post #3488
Janty RY4 (DK Series) - post #3257
Janty RY4-X (Classic Series) - post #3257
Janty RY4 (Elixir Series) - posts #135, #3257
KalamazooVaporShop RY4 - post #1
KickBassVapor RY4 - posts #2, #1232
Liberty-Flights Hangsen RY1-4 - posts #754, #758, #3895 (review by osmo), #3628
Liberty-Flights LF4 - post #754
LiquidXpress Taboo - post #1
MaddCattVapors MaddHatter RyJ4 - post #2548
MaddCattVapors MaddHatter RyW4 - post #2548
MaddCattVapors MADDHatter RyJ5 - post #2853
Madvapes Mad 4 (Top Vapor) - post #2090
Mister-E-Liquid MrE’s RY4 - posts #3125, #3895 (review by osmo)
Mom&PopVaporShop RY4 - post #880
Mom&PopVaporShop RY4v2 - post #963
Mom&PopVaporShop RYO4 - post #1152
Moondrop RY42 - post #833
Mt.BakerVapor RY4 - post #1513
MountOlympusVapors RY4 - post #1992
MtOlympusVapors Double Happy RY4 - post #2292
MountainOakVapors CountRY4 - post #1513
MOV Full Virginia Flake RY4 Limited Edition - posts #3383, #3517
MrVape RY4 - posts #1600, #3976
MyVapeCreations RY4 - post #3036
MyVapeCreations CigaRY4 - post #3036
MyVapeJuice Our RY4 - posts #3402, #3302 (review by the hangdude)
MyVapeJuice Rogue RY4 - post #3528
NashvilleVapor Professor Marvel’s Master Blend - posts #3372, #3326 (review by the hangdude)
NHaler High Voltage Octane R Why Not - post #1065
NiteLiteVapor Renegade RY4 - post #1
OrbVapor Organic RY4 in a 100% VG base - posts #3234, #3323
OrbVapor Organic RY4 in selectable PG/VG base blends - posts #3234, #3323
ParkesVaping PV4 - post #943
ParkesVaping RY4 - post #943
PrimeVaping PV4 - post #1, #3895 (review by osmo)
QuantumVapor RY4, #3895 (review by osmo)
QuickNicJuice RY4 - post #51
QuickNicJuice ouR whY Qu4tro - posts #3490 (review by MrMann), #3492 (review by the hangdude), #3501, #3517
RevolutionVapor RY-4 - post #3992 (review by MFToms)
Revolver RY4 - post #1061
RockyTopVapor Ruyan 4 (RY4) - posts #3455 (review by passerbyeus), #3895 (review by osmo)
RWVapors RY4 - post #2217
SmokeForPennys RY4 - post #672
SmokelessImage Volt RY4 - posts #355, #439, #3895 (review by osmo)
SpringVapor Fall Harvest RY4 - posts #1106, #1311
SpringVapor Black Label RY4 - posts #1107, #1311
SpringVapor Black Label RY4 Day & Night - post #1311
Sweet-Vapes RY4 - post #773
TimelessVapor RY4 - post #3306
TopShelfVapes RY4 - post #672
Totally Wicked Patriot Range RY4 - post #3351
ValueVapor Dekang RY1-3 - post #835
Vapebar RY4-LE (Australia) - post #3405
vapeBig RY4 - post #3375
VapeDoctor RY4 - post #664
VapeKing VK4 (Australia) - post #2903
VapeKing VK5 (Australia) - post #3010
VapeRevolution Midas RY4 - post #3661 (review by passerbyeus)
VapeRite Organic VR4 - post #1
VapeRite RY4 - post #1
Vapesales Gold Label RY4(squared) - posts #2066, #2127
V4L Jammin - post #3169
VaporBeast Holy Grail RY4 - posts #2537, #3895 (review by osmo)
Vapor..... OuR-Y4 - post #1543
Vaporescence RY4 - posts #3367, #3335 (review by On Target)
VaporGod RY4 Tobacco, #3895 (review by osmo)
TheVaporPro Wicked Vapor USA RY4 - posts #3375, #3337 (review by passerbyeus)
VaporRenu Re(4)nu - post #2251
TheVaporRoom Ginger's RY4 - post #518
VaporStation RY4 - post #1
VaporStation VS4 - post #1
VaporTalk Dulcis - post #1
VapourWorldUK Dekang RY4 Intense (only from the UK) - post #658
Vapure VY4 - post #1
vermillionriverejuice KY4 - posts #1395, #1432
Vixen Vapors RY4 (no link for vendor allowed on ECF) - post #288
VulcanVape RYGAR - post #2897
Want2Vape RY4 - post #1
Want2Vape Rock Star - post #1
ZeusE-juice Creamy RY4 - post #3033


RY4s not yet acquired for review
AltSmoke AltLiquid Premium RY4
LotsOfVapor RY4
CrystalClearVaping RY4
DarthVapers RY4
ECBlend Ruyan 4 (Extra Caramel)
Esmoke4Life R3 Power Puff
HotVapes Our Why 5
Janty Vitaya RY4
NHaler High Voltage RY4
NHaler Nhale/Exhale RY4
NiteLiteVapor Renegade RY4V2
ObsidianVapor RY4
PureVapes PV3
PureVapes PV4
Roar Vapor JY4
TheVaporRoom TVR RY4
USVaporShop RY4 Tobacco
ZeusE-Juice Zeus RY4 Version 2
ZeusE-Juice RY4 Double


RY4s unavailable or no longer for sale
AlienVisions Raf-a-licious - discontinued by AlienVisions and no longer for sale
Bauway RY4 - no longer for sale at IndyVaporShop
BackwoodsBrew RY4 - discontinued by BackwoodsBrew and no longer for sale
JooglerJuice Joogler's Blend - vendor site closed, no longer in business
Keemer RY3 VG - no longer for sale at GoodProphets
Keemer RY4 VG - no longer for sale at GoodProphets
Mist-Stix RY4 - vendor site closed, no longer in business
NewEraVaping RY-4 and New Era - vendor site closed, no longer in business
VapeMasters R4 - vendor site closed, no longer in business
VoidMist RY4 (versions 1-3) - vendor site closed, no longer in business
ZeusE-Juice Zeus RY4 Version 1 - replaced by Version 2


RY4 pre-mixed DIY flavoring concentrates and review posts

DIY RY4 Comparison Vape Shoot-Out (March 2013) - post #3715
DIY RY4 Test (Jan 2013) - post #3476
DIY RY4 Roundup Updated (Oct 2012) - post #3072
DIY RY4 Roundup---a short list (April 2012) - post #1492

FlavourArtUK RY4 Nutzilla flavoring concentrate - posts #3240
Want2Vape RY4 flavoring concentrate - see DIY posts above
TheFlavorApprentice RY4 Double flavoring concentrate - post #1145
Hangsen Essence RY4 flavoring concentrate - post #3715
HealthCabin Ruyan#4 (RY4) flavoring concentrate- see DIY posts above
TheFlavorApprentice RY4 Asian flavoring concentrate - post #1550
FlavourArt RY4 Legend flavoring concentrate - post #2989
Want2Vape Rock Star flavoring concentrate BlueMistVaping RY4 flavoring concentrate - post #3072 BlueMistVaping RY4.5 flavoring concentrate - post #3277
TheFlavorApprentice RY4 Type flavoring concentrate - post #3072
MtBakerVapor RY4 flavoring concentrate - not reviewed
Tobacco Express Ruyan flavoring super-concentrate - post #2187
Tobacco Express RY4 flavoring super-concentrate - post #2187
Hangsen Essence RY1 flavoring concentrate - see DIY posts above
Hangsen Essence RY3 flavoring concentrate - see DIY posts above


Bill’s Reviews of other juices (non-RY4s)
ECSI Jane’s Toasted Toffee Kick Juice - post #867
Heather’sHeavenlyVapes Heavenly Army - post #3442
NiteLiteVapor Caramel Corral - posts #961, #3526
Vapor..... PY4 - post #2061
Mad Mudock’s Radiator Pluid from 310Vapers - post #2554
PinkSpotVapors RY8 - post #2902
Three tobacco blends from IndigoVapors (separate thread)
AliceinVapeland Ravyn - post #3469


Vaping Commentaries
Commentary: About Steeping - post #1273
Commentary: Caramel, Caramel, Caramel - post #1101
Commentary: Determining Classic versus Custom RY4s - post #1873
Commentary: Vaping Strawberry - post #2083
Commentary: So Many Juices, So Little Time - post #2655
Commentary: Comparing 12 Top-Rated RY4s - post #3144
Commentary: The Three Bs of Classic RY4s - post #3196
Commentary: Throat Hit in RY4s - post #3393
Commentary: Tobacco in RY4s - post #3504
Commentary: Distinguishing Classic from Custom RY4s - post #3512
Commentary: Essential Truths About RY4s - post #3612
Commentary: The “Original” RY4 - post #3769


Bill’s Top 20 Retail RY4s (my current personal favorites, which change often)

1. MountainOakVapor Full Virginia Flake RY4 - custom NET
2. VaporTalk Dulcis - classic
3. Vapor..... OuR-Y4 - classic
4. Janty RY4 (DK, Classic, or Elixir Series) - classic
5. SmokelessImage Volt RY4 (same as Bloog) - classic
6. Janty RY4-X (Classic Series) - classic
7. IndigoVapor Indigo Classic - classic/custom
8. TotallyWicked RY4 (Patriot Range) – custom
9. RWVapors RY4
10. AwesomeClouds AC3

11. ApolloECigs RY4
12. AltCig RY4
13. Mom&PopVaporShop RY4v2
14. Halo Tribeca
15. MrVape RY4
16. GoodLifeVapor Hooligan
17. Vapor4Life Jammin’
18. Ikenvape RY4 Gold
19. CrystalELiquid RY4 Double Tobacco
20. HealthCabin Dekang RY4


Bill’s Top 5 RY4 Flavorings for DIY

1. FlavourArtUK Nutzilla
2. Want2Vape RY4
3. TPA/TFA RY4 Double
4. Hangsen Essence RY4
5. Health Cabin Ruyan #4 (RY4)
 
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