The rules need to be changed....

[mrjayd]

I had a classified taken down due to what ECF calls profiteering. You need to do your homework on retail prices in the US and not just go by the euro price. I posted a poldiac for sale for $285 with a 350 brass pant. These sell retail for $235 here in California and you pulled it because it sells for 150 euros out of the country. We can't even make our money back for the price ECF wants us to sell it for. So unfair if you ask me.
Please do your homework on US retail pricing before you pull posts.

 

[Knight Errant]

While I sympathize, I must also point out that the poldiac is purchasable on the web, new, for less than $200 usd plus shipping. $285 is pretty pricey, so I can understand their point of view.

As you pointed out, it is available at B&M locations in Cali for significantly less that you had it priced... and online is always cheaper (no storefront to support). I'm not sure how much the longer tube body should bump the price, but if you are selling it USED... then, even with the additional item, you price seems high.

Just my 2 cents. Good luck!

 

[ckone180]

It was simply not in line with the rules. I completely agree it should have been closed.

 

[bfrie]

why didnt you sell it for 250 then? still make the money back plus more. in all honesty, you should never expect getting what you paid for back for anything used, e cigarettes or not. the amount of people selling rare used ecigs on here for way more than they paid needs to stop. its used, therefore it is not worth as much. dont like it? too bad, get over it.

 

[zoiDman]

I'm Not a big believer of Pricing Rules.

I believe that a person should be able to set Any Price they want for an e-Cigarette. If they want to sell a Used Blu with a Broken PCC for $200, so be it. Buyer beware.

But I also do understand that the ECF has Rules. And that if I Don't Like the rules the ECF has, that I am Free to sell my items elsewhere on the Internet.

 

[BigEd781]

I'm obviously a newcomer, but I don't agree with pricing rules either. Let the market decide. *Value* is dictated (in a free market) buy the consumer and by nothing else. If person X wants to pay a markup for whatever reason then they should be allowed to do so.

Of course, it's a private forum, so they can impose any rules they like and I'm sure they gave some thought to the subject prior to implementing this one.

 

[bfrie]

I'm obviously a newcomer, but I don't agree with pricing rules either. Let the market decide. *Value* is dictated (in a free market) buy the consumer and by nothing else. If person X wants to pay a markup for whatever reason then they should be allowed to do so.

Of course, it's a private forum, so they can impose any rules they like and I'm sure they gave some thought to the subject prior to implementing this one.

the problem is person x might not know anything about prices, and just say ooo shiny and buy it, not knowing they paid far too much

 

[BigEd781]

the problem is person x might not know anything about prices, and just say ooo shiny and buy it, not knowing they paid far too much

But that's true of anything in a free market. On the other hand, I may be willing to pay an extra $X for faster delivery, not having to deal with customs, whatever. I don't know, I'm a big fan of personal responsibility over rules which are meant to protect us from ourselves.

Also, other forum members are free to call the OP out in a comment.

 

[bfrie]

But that's true of anything in a free market. On the other hand, I may be willing to pay an extra $X for faster delivery, not having to deal with customs, whatever. I don't know, I'm a big fan of personal responsibility over rules which are meant to protect us from ourselves.

Also, other forum members are free to call the OP out in a comment.

lol this isnt a free market buddy. the classies are made for vapers to pass on their unused equipment to other vapers who will appreciate it more, not for f5'ers to make a quick buck. also, almost everything is available at us located vendors, so no customs wait anyway.

on another note, you actually are not allowed to call them out on prices. that is also in the rules

 

[BigEd781]

lol this isnt a free market buddy. the classies are made for vapers to pass on their unused equipment to other vapers who will appreciate it more, not for f5'ers to make a quick buck. also, almost everything is available at us located vendors, so no customs wait anyway.

Of course, it's a private forum, so they can impose any rules they like and I'm sure they gave some thought to the subject prior to implementing this one.

I realize that ECF is not a free market economy, I just happen to like being part of something where I am responsible for my actions and may do as I please (within reason). I'm perfectly capable of spending two minutes doing research before making a purchase.

It's a more theoretical/philosophical stance though. In practice I don't have a problem with ECF imposing this rule.

on another note, you actually are not allowed to call them out on prices. that is also in the rules

That I did not know.

 

[zoiDman]

the problem is person x might not know anything about prices, and just say ooo shiny and buy it, not knowing they paid far too much

Than person X will have a Shiny Whatever not knowing that they Paid to Much for it. There are Worse things in the World. And I'm sure that the Sun will come up Tomorrow either way.

Like I said, I don't like rules on Prices. But if the ECF has one, then I will abide by it and Not Complain. Because the ECF is a Great Forum.

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BTW - If I had my way, I would Eliminate the Classified Sections all together. Seems like it is More Hassle than worth. But that is just me Opinion.

 

[Hippieangst]

I'm Not a big believer of Pricing Rules.

I believe that a person should be able to set Any Price they want for an e-Cigarette. If they want to sell a Used Blu with a Broken PCC for $200, so be it. Buyer beware.

But I also do understand that the ECF has Rules. And that if I Don't Like the rules the ECF has, that I am Free to sell my items elsewhere on the Internet.

If there wasn't a cap on the pricing, the classified ads would get out of hand and quick. I do wish it was a bit higher than 20% though.

 

[zoiDman]

If there wasn't a cap on the pricing, the classified ads would get out of hand and quick. I do wish it was a bit higher than 20% though.

What do you mean by "get out of hand"?

 

[Jack Pappas]

Sorry, but as a potential customer and a member of a forum that has many good people in it. I find it very reassuring that those who maintain the forum have and keep rules that are intended to reduce the likelihood of people who are out to scam you.

 

[j0ker]

I had a classified taken down due to what ECF calls profiteering. You need to do your homework on retail prices in the US and not just go by the euro price. I posted a poldiac for sale for $285 with a 350 brass pant. These sell retail for $235 here in California and you pulled it because it sells for 150 euros out of the country. We can't even make our money back for the price ECF wants us to sell it for. So unfair if you ask me.
Please do your homework on US retail pricing before you pull posts.

We actually did try to do our homework but you were unable to provide the receipt showing what you paid, which leaves us with one option, determine the price from a retailer. We did not just arbitrarily pull your ad, we hide it, contacted you, and you were unable to provide any documentation confirming what you paid. This leaves us with no other option but to permanently remove the ad based on the retailer's price.

Should the rule be changed? No, this rule, just like all other rules we've created, has lots of time and experience in the creation. In the course of the last few years you can only imagine the ludicrous pricing we've seen on items. One of the biggest problems is members buying up hard to get mods, then turning around and selling them for double, or more, than their original prices. You just have to understand that rules are in place for a reason and they are meant to protect the member. Whether you agree with them or not, you did accept that when joining the forum and when selecting to become a Verified Member.

 

[mrjayd]

Well I do agree with your rules for profiteering aspect of it. What I was complaining about was the the price of 150 euros you were basing this off of. That is the price out of the country from the maker of this. But I, like many others probably, don't like to deal with out of the country sales so we buy from within the US and everywhere I looked in the US the price was either $225 or $235 so that is what I paid for it from a local vape shop here in San Diego. And then I paid another $30 or so for the extra brass 350 pants. So I was just trying to get my money back and not make any profit. It's all good though if you want your members to lose their hard earned money. I understand it is "used". Wow a whole week used. But we all know what the used market brings in the vaping world.... more than retail. But again I was not trying to scam anyone. Just trying to get my money back and sell it for what they sell for in the stores. And I would have accepted lower offers also.

We actually did try to do our homework but you were unable to provide the receipt showing what you paid, which leaves us with one option, determine the price from a retailer. We did not just arbitrarily pull your ad, we hide it, contacted you, and you were unable to provide any documentation confirming what you paid. This leaves us with no other option but to permanently remove the ad based on the retailer's price.

Should the rule be changed? No, this rule, just like all other rules we've created, has lots of time and experience in the creation. In the course of the last few years you can only imagine the ludicrous pricing we've seen on items. One of the biggest problems is members buying up hard to get mods, then turning around and selling them for double, or more, than their original prices. You just have to understand that rules are in place for a reason and they are meant to protect the member. Whether you agree with them or not, you did accept that when joining the forum and when selecting to become a Verified Member.

 

[hadouken]

What do you mean by "get out of hand"?

Go look at the calivapers forums. LOL. $500 for SS chi yous. Flipper heaven over there.

 

[mrjayd]

I hear ya. And here I am profiteering over here just trying to break even...

Go look at the calivapers forums. LOL. $500 for SS chi yous. Flipper heaven over there.

 

[zoiDman]

Go look at the calivapers forums. LOL. $500 for SS chi yous. Flipper heaven over there.

I say if someone has 500 Bucks and Doesn't Know Better, or Really wants it, Go For It.

I just don't like the concept of a 3rd Party telling what a Seller Can or Can Not sell something for. In a way, I think it Breeds Apathy on he part of the Buyer. And a Buyer can start to believe that it is Someone Else's Duty to protect him from Overpricing.

Am Not being Critical of the ECF. They have a Rule and have given it much Thought. And I can see their Motivation for having such a Rule.

BTW - I also don't have any problem with someone selling an eGo Kit for $299.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-whoa-what-ego-kit-selling-299-what-heck.html

I say Buyer Beware.

 

[spaky]

I say if someone has 500 Bucks and Doesn't Know Better, or Really wants it, Go For It.

I just don't like the concept of a 3rd Party telling what a Seller Can or Can Not sell something for. In a way, I think it Breeds Apathy on he part of the Buyer. And a Buyer can start to believe that it is Someone Else's Duty to protect him from Overpricing.

Am Not being Critical of the ECF. They have a Rule and have given it much Thought. And I can see their Motivation for having such a Rule.

BTW - I also don't have any problem with someone selling an eGo Kit for $299.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-whoa-what-ego-kit-selling-299-what-heck.html

I say Buyer Beware.

I can assure you that no one here is saying that you can't rip people off. You just can't do it here. If someones goal is to completely screw someone, they are more than welcome to on another forum.