The SEARCH for the PERFECT E-CIG

[Kent C]

uzzaperez1. Sorry, I just don't see consistently getting good results refilling blind by any method.

That's why you open one first to see what's inside.

I actually tried the syringe and found myself getting annoyed with the spinning,

That's done afterwards - ie after you've dripped on the side - a lanyard works well.

the occassional overfill killing cart performance, and etc. I guess I'd just rather see what I'm doing and drip the sides rather than spin. To each his own though, experience with any method can make you like it I suppose. I'm a happy cap popper because the KR on a pass-thru is by far my favorite device for direct dripping (flavor...mmm...flavor) and you can't dd with a cap on.

In some cases... but I don't like the tethered aspect of the PT = a good 510 mod will get that power needed for the vapor, but yeah, to each his own.

I usually have a few flavors of carts that I don't even keep the caps for that I use for direct dripping the KR. You're a certified cap hater!

2. Thanks for the input on the CaSH juice. Bummer though, I'll look for updates on when/if it comes back around.

If those shipments come in there will be a mad dash to PS ;-)

3. I'd love to hear your eval on different Decadent Vapor flavors. I ordered the Cognac, and it is pretty good, definitley unique. But I have a hard time ordering 30ml of something I may or may not like at those big time TW price points, so I haven't been back to the DV stuff since.

I hear you on that. I had a pending thing with DV before he went to TW and it finally came through. So I'm a happy camper. I have enough to last a while but when that runs out I'll likely have to wait for the anniversary sales at TW ;-)

I would like to try the cognac but I get hiccups at 24mg and they only have it at 36mg now. That should change soon and I'll likely try that out but my top vape is the Habana Reserve, then the Absinthe and the Black Currant - I could go forever with just those - I vape the Black Currant on a 801 Janty Stick which is perfect for bringing out the flavor and the other two on a peak V 14500/510 combo - bartleby and protege which really brings out the flavor. There Ylang Ylang - which I just received and a tobacco flavor that was sent and not sold yet, is also really good. Ylang Ylang is vying for the no. 3 spot ;-) Lotus flower is quite a unique vape too and is growing on me. Mentholyptus, as I've said before, is a full eye, ear, nose and throat hit - strongest menthol ever. Black Cherry is good a bit perfume there but better than any other cherry I've had. Tiramisu exactly like the dessert. And the Roast Beef is surprisingly like a good rare roast beef but really not a daily vape thing, for me anyway. And you have to power wash the atty. Parma Violet was true to flavor but too sweet.

Their flavors don't seem to have any comparables (the DV Cognac and the Nobacco Cognac aren't even close to being the same thing),

I was wondering. Just based on quality I figured the cognac and tequilla are likely good.

DV seems to be way to unique to make comparisons easy. Let me know if you post something about their other flavors.

That's probably the best rundown I've written. Except it is hard to nail down what the Habana Reserve is exactly other than great tasting - Nick O'teen (the owner) has said it has some mesquite in it and even though it's a 'cuban cigar' flavor, there are no tobacco flavorings - some 20 herbs and spices- that was his goal and I think he achieved it.

The Absinthe is dead on Absinthe - anise with again 20 herbs - well as close as you can get in vapor form. Black Currant is like a good dry cabernet.

If you're really into flavorings go to the TW board and the 'ask Nick' forum or even peruse his posts there beyond the 'ask Nick' forum. Pretty sure he makes the purest nic juice on the planet for TW and in his own stuff. Same with the Aqueous Glycerine there - both crystal clear. ... and expensive.

 

[Meltmanbob]

Sorry to jump in the middle again guys. I had placed an order than didn't go through earlier this morning on ecigexpress for the KR808.

Anyway I'm going to go with the KR for now, Kent C thanks for the link to the 510, when I have some money I'll probably by that kit.

I've revised my order, let me know what you guys think.
All KR808 stuff

PCC - 17.96
manual batteries x2 - 10.76 ea 21.52
24mg 5 carto menthol - 8.06
24mg 5 carto RY4 - 8.06
24mg 10ml strawberry juice - 6.95
cheesecake flavoring - 1.75
6ml dropper bottles x2 - .75

total - 65.05
with 10% discount - $58.54

 

[Kent C]

Sorry to jump in the middle again guys. I had placed an order than didn't go through earlier this morning on ecigexpress for the KR808.

Anyway I'm going to go with the KR for now, Kent C thanks for the link to the 510, when I have some money I'll probably by that kit.

I've revised my order, let me know what you guys think.
All KR808 stuff

PCC - 17.96
manual batteries x2 - 10.76 ea 21.52
24mg 5 carto menthol - 8.06
24mg 5 carto RY4 - 8.06
24mg 10ml strawberry juice - 6.95
cheesecake flavoring - 1.75
6ml dropper bottles x2 - .75

total - 65.05
with 10% discount - $58.54

Looks good to me. The only thing is I'm not totally familiar with the type of battery those are. I have the 280mah batt and there is an 'XL' that almost every KR8er advises, so I'll leave that up to others to confirm.
A PCC without two batteries is like a (fill in your favorite simile here ;-)

And I have both as well but I'll sell you the KR8 batt ... now that I've compared it, but not for a buck and a half ... which is about what you have left. Happy Vaping...

 

[uzzaperez]

PCC - 17.96
manual batteries x2 - 10.76 ea 21.52
24mg 5 carto menthol - 8.06
24mg 5 carto RY4 - 8.06
24mg 10ml strawberry juice - 6.95
cheesecake flavoring - 1.75
6ml dropper bottles x2 - .75

total - 65.05
with 10% discount - $58.54

Good start. As far as the batteries go, Kent C said true when he said a lot of people recommend the XL battery - but I have one and I can tell you it is the same as a regular battery, the only thing is the charge lasts a lot longer. But it doesn't fit in a PCC (you could charge it in there but it would stick out of the case so you couldn't close it). I will take two regular batteries over an XL any day, I'll never order an XL again.

On the juice, good luck with figuring out where to drip your strawberry juice! The menthol will go good with the strawberry so you can drip your menthol carts, but menthol overpowers other flavors and it is usually kind of bland by itself, but hey, you'll have a good vape anyway. You're on your way.

Don't vape your carts all the way dry before refilling and 10 carts will last you a good long time. Both the menthol and the RY4 are flavors that make it hard to "taste" when the cart is low, so you are better off just taking care to top off after you think you've vaped the cart for a while then waiting until you are sure you are running dry. Use a screw to pop the cap off as described at the end of the OP, pull the rubber ring out, and drip on the sides to fill the filler (don't try to fill the center). Don't drench the thing, just fill it to the top. If you overfill you'll know because you will feel like you are sucking juice through the center tube. If that happens use a tissue to blot the extra juice off the top of the filler and your cart will perform like new again.

Have fun!

 

[Kent C]

a lot of people recommend the XL battery - but I have one and I can tell you it is the same as a regular battery, the only thing is the charge lasts a lot longer. But it doesn't fit in a PCC (you could charge it in there but it would stick out of the case so you couldn't close it). I will take two regular batteries over an XL any day, I'll never order an XL again.

Good points! Don't hear that a lot.

 

[Meltmanbob]

Thanks a bunch you guys!! I'm talking with a guy at ecigexpress, my payment somehow went through this morning even though I got and error so I'm checking to see if they can switch a few things from the original order to what I've posted about on here.

I figure the KR808 will be more newby friendly since it has cartomizers but also after a few days and some time to get used to it I'm sure I can start figuring out how to clean a carto, refill, drip etc. If they get the order the way I want it will be the PCC, 2 manual batteries, 5 menthol and 5 RY4, strawberry juice and some cheesecake flavoring with 2 6ml dropper bottles.

I can already see the writing on the wall, my OCD addictive side is already coming out as this will probably turn into an interesting hobby for me. One other reason I decided to go with the KR is because it's a bit cheaper to tear apart a carto instead of a real atomizer which will give me something visual to learn from so I can eventually try and make my own stuff like Carlos49 and his JuiceBox.

 

[NightNurse]

After lots (and lots more) research, I just ordered the VK starter kit from Vapor4Life, and can't wait to try it out

 

[uzzaperez]

After lots (and lots more) research, I just ordered the VK starter kit from Vapor4Life, and can't wait to try it out

I can't wait to try mine either...hold on...there it is...mmmm...yummy.

 

[Taryn]

Meltman I'd recommend starting off easy on the cartomizers and juices until you find out what nicotine level and what flavors you like. It's not a good thing to have dozens of 24mg cartomizers when you find out you need 36mg or 11mg!

I'm just going to ignore Kent C's personal comments about me, not worth a reply.

 

[Kent C]

Taryn says:
"I'm just going to ignore Kent C's personal comments about me, not worth a reply."

Just so people know, here are my comments that were about Taryn only:

"And the comment that if she [taryn] 'would have probably given up on vaping had she started with a 510', shows more about her than the 510. There are so many posts of people quitting the day they got their 510 after having other ecigs here, that it would take up the rest of the thread to list the links to people who said exactly that."

I stand by that comment. I'm not saying that wasn't the case with her - I take her at her word. Only that given the vast amount of evidence with regard to the 510, that it says more about her than it does about the effectiveness of the 510 to get people off of cigarettes. Nothing more.

The other comments earlier in the post, were general comments about the 'no mess and no fuss' line used by some to promote the KR8, then is switched as soon as someone asks about refilling or how expensive cartomizers are. I also stand by those comments as an observation of how that line is promoted by some, not all, who use them.

One can't, imo, honestly denigrate another product by saying what a hassle it is to refill, when the hassle it takes to refill the product you're pushing is as much or more of a hassle, esp. when you first say it's no hassle at all!

 

[Meltmanbob]

Well I thought I'd update my status. I'm waiting on my order that I previously mentioned, the guys at ecigexpress said they would change the few things around that I asked so now I'm getting 2 batteries instead of one. I'm only getting 2 5 packs of cartos since I added the 2nd battery but now I'm getting some cheesecake flavoring and 2 6ml dropper bottles for down the road.

Order should be here middle of next week, downside is I'll probably end up buying 2 more packs of analogs before they get here.

I think I said it before but one of the big reasons I chose the KR808 was because in the beginning it can be simple with just using the cartos as is but by the time I go through them (assuming I don't run them totally dry) I can take the time to start refilling them and then when I can order a 510 kit I should be well practiced!

Thanks again guys.

P.S. This is probably the wrong place to ask but since you guys have responded to my posts do you guys know of anyone on the forums that is good at making custom mods and anyone who knows a lot about the scientific/chemistry side of ecigs? I want to eventually make completely custom stuff including atomizers. I've book marked every atomizer thread I could find but talking to someone who's made their own from scratch would be nice. I became interested after reading about the JuiceBox. Thanks again guys!!

 

[Kent C]

P.S. This is probably the wrong place to ask but since you guys have responded to my posts do you guys know of anyone on the forums that is good at making custom mods and anyone who knows a lot about the scientific/chemistry side of ecigs? I want to eventually make completely custom stuff including atomizers. I've book marked every atomizer thread I could find but talking to someone who's made their own from scratch would be nice. I became interested after reading about the JuiceBox. Thanks again guys!!

My favorite mod:

Bartleby

This is suggestions for another poster who didn't have a 510 kit:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/video-reviews/43943-bartleby-pv-review-6.html#post732483

Pop up to the top for the video and scan through the thread for others reviews, comments.

If you get it in a 510 - highly recommended ;-) what you'll need is one of these adapters for cartos:

1x 510-901 adapter(510 bat to 901/808D-1 at) - E-cig Multi Adapters - Wholesale & Retail Best E-smoking Supplier

and while you're there - blank cartomizers and a syringe:

5pc black empty cartomizer for KR808D-1 e-cig - Cartomizers - Wholesale & Retail Best E-smoking Supplier

5ml e-juice injector with safe blunt 18G needle - E-juice Injector - Wholesale & Retail Best E-smoking Supplier=

perhaps some KR8 parts:
Spare parts - Wholesale & Retail Best E-smoking Supplier=

and 510 attys and whistle tip carts
Matte black atomizer for Joye510 mini e-cig - Spare parts - Wholesale & Retail Best E-smoking Supplier=

10pc black empty flat cartridges for Joye510 - Cartridges - Wholesale & Retail Best E-smoking Supplier=

 

[uzzaperez]

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and 2 6ml dropper bottles for down the road.
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P.S. This is probably the wrong place to ask but since you guys have responded to my posts do you guys know of anyone on the forums that is good at making custom mods and anyone who knows a lot about the scientific/chemistry side of ecigs? I want to eventually make completely custom stuff including atomizers. I've book marked every atomizer thread I could find but talking to someone who's made their own from scratch would be nice. I became interested after reading about the JuiceBox. Thanks again guys!!

Don't bother too much with buying extra dropper bottles. I bought extras in the beginning too, but by the time I got around to mixing I found I had a bunch of empty 5ml bottles anyway from sampling different stock flavors. They rinse out pretty easy with water (if you don't rinse, even though they are "empty" the old flavor from the bottle will *enhance* your intended flavor you put in the empty). Of course, they are cheap so it is not like it hurt you.

As far as custom guru's - for juice...go to the new members forum "Wonderful World of Vaping Post", which I'm sure you've found, there is a lot of good info on DIY in there. There is a video from "Walrus" near the bottom of the post - get to be friends with that guy. I've seen some posts around from him and he is a DIY guru. DonDaBoomVape appears to know alot about DIY too...as well as most other stuff. Also, the guys that sell Tasty Vapor and also Ms. T have the mixing scene down pat.

If you want to build your own device check out http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/thag-built-chuck/33735-how-spend-saturday.html and also look up Carlos and his juicebox which has a custom Carlos built atty.

 

[uzzaperez]

Just finished reading "The SEARCH for the PERFECT E-CIG" and that is a really nice guide. Fills a lot of the blanks on actual use with various models.
It was very well explained your reasons of how you decided what you thought was best. That kind of explanation is infinitely more valuable to me then "cause I like it" that seems to be the norm when learning about something new (not the norm for this forum/community)
Read the 5 pages, and the only thing I found missing is what supplier/suppliers you recommend. Maybe even something like, "If I could do it all over again with what I know now, this is what my original order would have looked like" and list that info also.

I was hoping you could share that info with me as well.

I received the above PM and figured he was right that this info would help add to the OP.

My first order would be from vapor4life for a few reasons. First, because you can order your cartos in different flavors instead of being limited to packs of 5 cartos all in the same flavor (they sell sampler packs and also accept requests for swapping flavors around if you note your request in your order comments). Second, because they throw in a few extras and that really helps to spruce up your order – especially if it is your first kit. Third, because their juice (Nobacco) is a much better juice than the standard Ruyan/Dekang stuff you will get if you hunt around for the absolute bottom dollar price set up you can find. Personally I am willing to have my total order run a few bucks more to get better juice and a one stop shop.

My first order would not be one of their kits because I would be paying for some stuff I don’t want, like the XL battery, and the kits don’t include important stuff like the pass-thru. Anyway, my first order would look like this:

1. A manual pass-thru. This is a must to experience the best vaping experience (higher voltage) and also to increase the lifespan of your batteries. I would order a manual because it is sealed and won’t get anything in it if you accidentally flood your atty while learning to direct drip. $15.

2. Four batteries – two manual, two auto. IMO you are better off having four batteries than paying for a PCC. Four batteries will last a most vapors all day without a PCC. Plus, batteries do eventually wear out. Also, you will want to try both manuals and autos to see which you prefer. I prefer autos because you can use them hands free, but that is just me. $15 each at V4L – that’ll hit the budget 

3. Two chargers, one USB and one normal plug in. You’ll want to be able to charge two batteries at a time, one at a time is just a pain. And the wall and USB types will give you flexibility on where to charge. $10 or $15, I don’t remember.

4. Two or three packs of cartos, with a request at check out for a mixed bag of flavors and nic levels if you don’t know what your nic level is yet. One of the packs would be of blank cartos – to get the most out of your experience you are going to want to familiarize with filling and refilling, and also you’ll want blanks to use your juices in. $8 or $9 per 5 cartos.

5. A few different 5ml Nobacco flavors, whatever I felt like trying out, but bearing in mind that I wouldn’t get the pure flavor unless I used them with same flavor cartos or blank flavor cartos. I would order each flavor in both 36mg and 0mg so you could mix them to get whatever mg level you liked without sacrificing flavor. But keep in mind that the 36mg and the 0mg cost the same as the 16mg – so if you know you always like the same 16mg level all the time just order that. The juice is a must – psychologically, if you don’t have anything to refill a carto with you will end up vaping it dry to try and get the most out of it and doing so will soon ruin your carto. The 5ml juices are about $3 each.

My next order would be more juice and blanks once I had an idea which flavors I liked. Maybe a Prodigy from puresmoker with a 510 set up and a 510 to cartomizer adaptor from healthcabin for direct dripping cartos on the Prodigy.

As far as juice flavors go, flavor is on the tongue of the beholder but I recommend trying 555, Green Tea, Tequila, Cola, Cognac, Vanilla, Cuban Cigar, Watermelon and RY4 (I never would have ordered green tea, but I got a free sample and loved it) – these aren’t all my favorites, but they represent a good range to get an idea what is out there and not one of them is like the other. I absolutely do not recommend Peach or Mint – the flavors aren’t bad, they are just so one dimensional that they are incredibly boring.

I hope this helps. And if you are on a budget you can absolutely find a cheaper supplier out there, the quality of the juice flavors will be the only thing to suffer from doing so.

 

[Taryn]

Taryn says:
"I'm just going to ignore Kent C's personal comments about me, not worth a reply."

Just so people know, here are my comments that were about Taryn only:

"And the comment that if she [taryn] 'would have probably given up on vaping had she started with a 510', shows more about her than the 510. There are so many posts of people quitting the day they got their 510 after having other ecigs here, that it would take up the rest of the thread to list the links to people who said exactly that."

I stand by that comment. I'm not saying that wasn't the case with her - I take her at her word. Only that given the vast amount of evidence with regard to the 510, that it says more about her than it does about the effectiveness of the 510 to get people off of cigarettes. Nothing more.

The other comments earlier in the post, were general comments about the 'no mess and no fuss' line used by some to promote the KR8, then is switched as soon as someone asks about refilling or how expensive cartomizers are. I also stand by those comments as an observation of how that line is promoted by some, not all, who use them.

One can't, imo, honestly denigrate another product by saying what a hassle it is to refill, when the hassle it takes to refill the product you're pushing is as much or more of a hassle, esp. when you first say it's no hassle at all!

Kent what it says about me is I am too busy and do not wish another hobby. I vape two cartomizers a day. Refilling takes me a minute per cartomizer maximum. One extra minute to rinse them out if they have been refilled several times. Three minutes in the evening is not a hassle, it allows me to have a nice candy bowl full of fresh cartomizers. In the morning I reach in my bowl and find two flavors I want to vape and I'm set for the day. I don't even bother with any battery smaller than the xl because I do not want to stop and switch it.

My ecig is hanging around my neck in my Leaford's lanyard, I take more time gathering up my keys and my purse when I want to head out for a few hours because I'm already set for the day vaping. No packing up extra juices when I'm going to be gone eight hours and toting them with me at most I grab my spare xl and know I'm set. I don't have to carry around a kit of supplies.

I went on a weekend trip and I just grabbed a handful of cartomizers my two xl batteries and my wall charger and I was set. I don't understand how this is a hassle? It's no more difficult than grabbing a few extra packs of cigarettes and a spare lighter, hell it even takes up less room.

Thanks to the KR8 and V4L I have more time each day than when I smoked, no washing ashtrays, no cleaning smoke residue from the inside windows of my car or computer screen, no running outside for smoke breaks and no midnight runs to the store when I'm low on smokes.

I know it's difficult for you to understand I'm happy with my KR8 but no amount of telling me I shouldn't be happy will change my mind.

 

[Mary Kay]

Well I love my VK manual extra long batts. I don't care if the pcc doesn't close. It's not like I need to use it all that often. If I charge a few at home..I am good for the next day or two.
I do travel once in a while and cartomizers are great! I also use a passthru, mini pipe, VP1 and a nicostick with cartomizers. The only thing I just gave up on is 901's. I was a die hard 901er but the auto batts just got too pricey and the manual batts don't deliver.But the flavor of a fresh 901 cart is just amazing..for about 5 vapes. The carto refilling I do once a week while I watch a show..no trouble at all. With 801's (that came with my mods) and 901's I had to refill all the time.
Every device has it's fans..and detracters. Too bad we can't just agree to disagree. the one thing I don't need is high volt mods..it's the one great thing about being a wimp!

 

[Kent C]

I know it's difficult for you to understand I'm happy with my KR8 but no amount of telling me I shouldn't be happy will change my mind.

Where you get that, I have no idea. If you could just point to something I wrote that would even imply that I was saying that you weren't happy with your KR8 or shouldn't be happy in general, I'd really like to know. So, point to what you're referring to or apologize for such an insult.

My point was, and I thought this might be evident, but you decided to take it personally, ...is that just because you wouldn't have quit smoking if you had started with the 510 doesn't mean others should judge the 510 by one person that made that statement, when there are so many others by poll and by posts that have quit smoking by using the 510 - in fact, there are a lot of people that tried many others ecigs that didn't quit until they got a 510. And I'd point out, in fairness, that there were people that started with the 510 and didn't stop smoking until they got another model but in this forum there is a lot more of the former than there is of the latter. That is not even debatable.

 

[Ryum]

Thanks for the new info Uzza. Had another question for you, about how long would you estimate the life spans of your cartomizers to be?

 

[Taryn]

She's right - the 510 consistently gets better vapor. Some cartomizers are just a puff. Some do better but

the whole thing about 'no mess, no refilling' is just a ruse - a bait and switch - because the first time someone asks if the cartos can be refilled - then the 'no mess, no fuss' facade comes off and then the ritual refilling of cartomizers comes out in full - popping the top (better have tool), removing the inner rubber, filliing on an angle only, spinning, letting it sit overnight. Lol. And if everyone refilled, they wouldn't sell many cartomizers and they are expensive - almost as much as cigarettes if you don't refill and don't want the 'mess and fuss'. They should really drop that line - makes them look dishonest when it isn't what they really recommend when someone asks if they can be refilled or use their own juice.

Plus the insinuation that people can't refill a 510, 901, 801, 401, 4081 cart is frankly insulting to most people, esp. when it's followed by what one has to do to refill a cartomizer. Neither is hard at all, but between filling a cart and refilling a cartomizer... uhh.... refilling a carto is a bit more 'fuss'. Sorry. That's the truth.

And the comment that if she 'would have probably given up on vaping had she started with a 510', shows more about her than the 510. There are so many posts of people quitting the day they got their 510 after having other ecigs here, that it would take up the rest of the thread to list the links to people who said exactly that.

This is what people prefer - many after having tried many devices:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...reviews/13928-primary-device-preferences.html

and then add what atty is used in the 'mod' category:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/52813-atty-your-mod.html

... and you'll get a better picture of how many didn't give up with the 510.

Here is your post that started it Ken, and I shall reply directly to to your post even though you have ignored the majority of my previous thread.

It is certainly no ruse or bait and switch, people can and have used the cartomizers as purely disposable. I like to save money so I refill, please refer to my previous post about the ease of refilling for me although you seem to disagree.

Why don't you mention at this point the fuss of finding the perfect carto filler, cleaning primer fluid from 510 atomizers, cleaning the atomizers it's self between flavors, and the many tools needed for the 510? I do not feel dishonest when giving people a choice on refilling or not. A person can choose to buy only factory filled carts for the 510 and dispose of them when they are dry also but it's a very little used option based upon what this forum has said.

The truth is 510's are considerably more fuss all considered even if you choose to refill your KR8 cartomizers.

I'm quite certain that many people did indeed quit smoking by using the 510, I'm also quite certain that several people have found that a 510 did not meet their needs as it does not meet mine and have gone on to other mods or PV's.

By the way the posting you refer to when you say this is what people prefer was a poll that was taken in April of last year when the KR8 was much less known, it is in fact not even an option on that poll.

I do believe that the 510 is many peoples first introduction to ecigs (if they have been to the forums and not purchased from the mall or other advertisments) but that does not mean that many have not found it lacking and kept looking for a better model.

Plenty of people also use cartomizers on Mods so I'm not sure what is the point you are trying to make there.

I love my KR8, I have tried the 510 and still prefer my KR8. This is my personal feeling and opinion. I do not feel the need to jump in threads about "why I love my 510" and tell them why they are wrong. Happy vaping to them, I'm glad they found what works for them! That is what leads me to the conclusion that you do not seem to understand that I am satisfied with my choice.

Ken you have told me that I and other KR8 users pull ruses, use bait and switch tactics and that we look dishonest. You really feel I'm the one who should apologize?

It is late and I am tired, I do not wish to fight with you Ken but perhaps we need to just agree to disagree and leave it alone.

By the way I never said the 510 consistently gets better vapor I said he managed to get better vapor most of the time.

 

[Taryn]

Thanks for the new info Uzza. Had another question for you, about how long would you estimate the life spans of your cartomizers to be?

I was a pack a day Marb red smoker and I use 2 fully filled cartomizers per day (2ml of juice). Some people use more, some less. You might find that you vape more than you smoked because of how great it tastes and it doesn't force you to run outside every time you use it. If you have high nicotine needs you might vape more also especially if you are using a juice that has a lower level of nicotine content in it. Higher voltage also makes you burn through the cartomizers faster.