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I trust your review won't simply be a comparison of it (MaxxFusion) to the 510, as it does stand on its own merit.
I'm looking forward to reading your thoughts.

No, but I do still like the eGo. My recommendation would be thus: if I felt the person asking might really take to vaping, end up dripping and buying mods, my recommendation for a starter would be an eGo. If the person asking me might fail and go back to smoking if the transition wasn't as painless as possible, Bloog.

As for us veterans, we're savvy enough to decipher all this available information. Will I use my Bloog after I've finished reviewing it? Yes I will, it's a handy device that delivers a good vape. It's not replacing my mods, but I am keeping it.
 

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Just a hint for people starting out with kr8.. You don't have to change everything to 510 if you wanna try something bigger..
The Pigcig has the same mAh as Ego/riva and is 808 threaded..
The possibilities are endless!! I for one remember how it was, starting out... hours and hours on the pc. Getting told Ego where ever I went.. Ask a q about, say m401, and got tons of answers from people that havent even tried it. Saying EGO!! Most didn't even ask what was most important for ME, but just chanted egoegoego..
Finally, after over a month, I got the specs I needed from a couple of small PV users and dove into 808 land...
 

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Just a hint for people starting out with kr8.. You don't have to change everything to 510 if you wanna try something bigger..
The Pigcig has the same mAh as Ego/riva and is 808 threaded..
The possibilities are endless!! I for one remember how it was, starting out... hours and hours on the pc. Getting told Ego where ever I went.. Ask a q about, say m401, and got tons of answers from people that havent even tried it. Saying EGO!! Most didn't even ask what was most important for ME, but just chanted egoegoego..
Finally, after over a month, I got the specs I needed from a couple of small PV users and dove into 808 land...

Smart girl!!!
The 808's rock!
Don't let anyone tell you differently!
Compact, durable, & easy to use.
 

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what an interesting thread this is, having just read it all at once.

it started as a review that sounded so good some got suspicious; got a little hostile with the mini vs. mod debate, then came around by the end, thanx to an honest review by someone who had a chance to learn and speak from experience, rather than speculate based in cynicism.

listen folks. we all know it's a common human trait to choose sides and defend home turfs, whether it's a sports team or a favorite brand of car/beer/e-cig/etc. everyone likes to endorse their favorites, and it's easy to get over zealous about anything that we think is super awesome.

but what we need to remind ourselves, or each other rather than escalating a debate; is that where the technology of personal vaporizers is concerned, it's not about which is "the best". it's about how many that are great. and how many more great ones keep coming out. and how many great ones become greatER.

we want diversity. and we want all the options among the diversity to excel. this is what will give the e-cig industry CREDIBILITY. and that will lead to LONGEVITY.

the little debate i read a few posts back at first reminded me of the old beer commercials: "tastes great!" "less filling!" in that it's an argument over what's the more important feature of the same product. but i think e-cigs are a lot like what i see in motorcycling. some riders swear by harleys. some riders say it's gotta be sleek and fast thru the twisties. but ALL riders respect that if you're on two-wheels, you're one of us. so have fun and try to make it home alive cuz the 'cagers' will get you! hah, bikers will get that. anyway, i've always owned cruisers. my current bike is an 1100. some riders think my bike is huge, like a recliner on wheels. they prefer the small and sporty speed bikes, usually only 600s. i think my bike is only midsized, compared to a 2000.

but i learned on a 250. if i tried starting out on an 1100 i may not still be riding today. most of us start small and then go off into some specific style of motorcycle that suits us. i think the commenters were describing what their vaping preferences evolved to be. some vapers evolved to demand continuous, undisrupted heavy use. some vapers evolved to seek their "perfect" analog replacement.

i think for each of these people to feel so strongly about their preferred vaping style, they each had to develop into VAPERS. and that takes time. because most people start as SMOKERS; become smokers who want to quit/cutback; start vaping, then later become vapers. it's a crawl before you walk progression to me. so a noob can't know whether they'd want the latest and greatest super mini or mod. they have to learn that by doing, and changing from a smoker to a vaper.

sure, i believe the industry has plenty of room to expand. mods could be marketed more towards people who don't smoke, may have never smoked, but want to vape. heck, is vaping a "healthier" (i use loosely) activity than eating candy/sugary snacks all day? vaping could become a weight-loss aid. so PVs could be marketed in that manner, totally differentiating from cigarette/nicotine marketed items.

there's never going to be a "best" because it's subjective, and there's too much variance in taste. but they can and should all be great, and continuously striving to be better, which benefits us all!

MEANWHILE, @OP:

i'm glad you're all stoked on the bloog, because that tells me that the kr808d1 technology is going to continue to exist and evolve. cool.
 
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My official review is up on Vapenstein btw. Both myself and Mrs. Doctor Vapenstein like the device quite a bit and will be buying more batteries. You'll be surprised at something I say in the review, but you'll have to go read it yourself to see why :)

Could you provide us a link please? Thank you!
 

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Could you provide us a link please? Thank you!

click my .sig banner, and it's right below the 2010 Vapenstein Awards article on the front page. Sorry, I don't like to take advantage of ECF by spamming my content all over the forums so I don't link to my content. ECF already generously gives me a link every time I make a post via my sig banner, so I rely on it to let people know about Vapenstein.
 

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Started w/808's. They won't get a HEAVY smoker of real cigs. They were kinda like a novelty toy that got me rolling into bigger and better things.

Upwards and onwards.

You know, that's exactly how I felt until one showed up yesterday. This Bloog unit is an improved KR8, and it performed far better than I ever expected. I am not saying I am going to ditch my 510 mods for this, but if I have to be 100% honest, I think this Bloog carto hits a little harder than a standard 510. In any event, this is a great unit to recommend to people interested in trying the vaping waters. It certainly won't scare anyone off.
 

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you can always use an adapter for your kr8 cartos on 510 mods too

Thats not...entirely true
not if the kr808 battery is running at 3.7...you can fit that cartomizer on an 510 but it won't vape just the same
(I notice the difference between my true 3.7 mods and my inferno...its not major or worth throwing out the infernos and egos I have but it is there)

to the rest of the thread
I actually just looked back on this thread and I agree with the people here advocating NON ego devices for new vapors....not all new vapers but some would do better with a kr808 in my opinion...if the "bloog" is a better kr808 even better. If people have not used a kr808 they shouldn't knock it...certainly don't put it on the same level as an automatic 510 as they are worlds apart in performance, life span, and vapor quality.
 

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yeah my bad, I only use 3.7v 510 stuff so I forget about the std 510 and eGo voltage limitations....shouldn't, Mrs. Doctor Vapenstein uses both

Red your review.. only makes me wanna try it even more:laugh: Tryin to figure out how to get it to Denmark( through customs)
Oh and your comparison to the 510 atty's.. Thats not just The new Bloog cartos. Reg old Kangers and Boges outperform it too. I have 4 510 attys, I take out once in a while to reconfirm that they don't cut it for me.. If I were to use em up,(since I spent money on them) it would at least have to be on my 808 batts..Give'em a little umpf:p
 

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what an interesting thread this is, having just read it all at once.

it started as a review that sounded so good some got suspicious; got a little hostile with the mini vs. mod debate, then came around by the end, thanx to an honest review by someone who had a chance to learn and speak from experience, rather than speculate based in cynicism.

... considering the amount of posts the OP had under his belt and considering Bloog's reputation as a whole, I would say being suspicious was indeed justified. We see far to much unfounded hype and enthusiasm at times on ECF, that have left many users with frustrations. Wouldn't you agree?

OTOH if the latest is as good as proclaimed, it will all come out in the wash. Why are we on V4 with the CE2s when original CE2 reviews proclaimed they were better than sliced bread? I believe there is far too much hype that occurs here on a daily basis for any vaper to make an informed decision, negative criticism is what drives improvements and advancements.

IMHO being capable of comparing devices against one another is far more beneficial than overly hyping a product. Give the pros and cons of each, and by all means endorse one or the other, but at least have the courtesy to explain why, and allow the viewer to weight the pros and cons in order to make an informed decision.
 

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... considering the amount of posts the OP had under his belt and considering Bloog's reputation as a whole, I would say being suspicious was indeed justified. We see far to much unfounded hype and enthusiasm at times on ECF, that have left many users with frustrations. Wouldn't you agree?

OTOH if the latest is as good as proclaimed, it will all come out in the wash. Why are we on V4 with the CE2s when original CE2 reviews proclaimed they were better than sliced bread? I believe there is far too much hype that occurs here on a daily basis for any vaper to make an informed decision, negative criticism is what drives improvements and advancements.

IMHO being capable of comparing devices against one another is far more beneficial than overly hyping a product. Give the pros and cons of each, and by all means endorse one or the other, but at least have the courtesy to explain why, and allow the viewer to weight the pros and cons in order to make an informed decision.

i agree completely.

i think one of the shortcomings of text-based communication is the lack of inflection and tone, which indicates ATTITUDE.
is someone just being enthusiastic, or are they overhyping? there's a fine line, and that line is hard to discern in text.

so was the OP showing enthusiasm or trying to overhype? the intent is not always obvious, so we of course maintain a little skepticism.

it's when that skepticism immediately turns to DOUBT, or refutation, of an OP's claim, that tension can arise. furthermore, when the doubt is expressed without first hand experience, it can escalate to what an OP may perceive as an insult.

such as, "you said this thing is super awesome. i haven't tried said thing, but nothing can be THAT awesome, so i doubt your claim, thereby questioning the validity of your opinion and your honesty as an impartial commenter."

that's what i interpret in a lot of comments i read here. someone doesn't have experience with a particular model, but they'll express their doubt quite verbally anyway. a great example of this is in "the darwin thread".

i just wish people could reserve judgment a little better than we do. (people includes me too of course)

when someone over hypes something, and i have no experience to agree or disagree, i just consider the information as it is: one opinion. my response would be, "if you say so; thanx for your input."


but my main point in my comment above is that it's silly to debate which is the better PV system, like which is the better style of motorcycle. there's different strokes for different folks. and it's ok if everyone loves their own the most, as long as they're not disrespecting anyone else's fondness for theirs. i love my motorcycle and i'll proudly proclaim "it's the best motorcycle ever!" is it really? no probly not. is anyone else's worse than mine? definitely not. and particularly if i haven't ridden it myself.
 

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These guys use the same technology as Bloog from what I understand.

Electronic Cigarette by White Cloud E-Cigarettes

from what you understand?

that's quite a claim, Mike. could you maybe explain why you understand this, or why you'd post it in this guy's thread? is Leaford working for this company too, and implementing all of his hands on product development and testing?

or are they just copying it?

please elaborate.
 

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I've had a few members post some minor corrections to my review: not having a multimeter, I indicated that the MaxX Fusion cartridges run at 4ohms; my bad! They actually run at 3 to 3.2 ohms and also, the MaxX Fusion battery is indeed a 3.7v unit. I just wanted to clarify this for those interested in details!

As an avid kr808 lover/user, I have a quick question. I use V4L's XL auto battery, which is 3.7v and 380mAH, with either a coolcart (3.6 ohms) or Wowcart(2.9ohms) and get about 8 hrs of quality vaping off a single charge. Please explain how/if the Bloog is superior, as this thread has peaked my interest:) TIA!
 

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As an avid kr808 lover/user, I have a quick question. I use V4L's XL auto battery, which is 3.7v and 380mAH, with either a coolcart (3.6 ohms) or Wowcart(2.9ohms) and get about 8 hrs of quality vaping off a single charge. Please explain how/if the Bloog is superior, as this thread has peaked my interest:) TIA!

Ms. - I was a KR808 user, for about a month awaiting the bloog maxxfusion batteries in the mail. The differences between these batteries and the standard 808s from V4L are pretty substantial. First, Bloog doesn't offer an XL (yet) - just the standard (320mAh) and the shorts (220mAh) - which is (as Leaford pointed out) 22% better capacity - this contributes to longevity between charges. At least initially, you'll have to settle for a shorter battery that lasts longer than the current standard battery of the same size but not as long as your XL - With that said, the Bloog batts are better in other areas: The draw on these is lighter and more 'realistic' - and, (as I have used V4L 808s and can tell the difference) the Bloog batt seems to heat the atty/coil more quickly and more consistently. This means, no primer puffs - from my experience, I think this is due to two improvements: 1) the switching mechanism of the battery and 2) the redesigned 808 cartos.

What I also noticed as a difference between V4L and Bloog is that the WOW cartos (V4L) have an 'airy' draw - a little too much so for my tastes and not as 'analog-like' as the Bloog. They were good - but, the WOW cartos have to be refilled constantly in order to keep my vaping consistent - I found myself dripping and driving which I hear is a very bad thing from other members on this forum. I just wanted enough length to get me home (about a 20-25 minute drive from the office). The bloogs, 12-15 drops in two cartos gets me thru the morning session, lunch, the drive to work and the drive home. Also, a significant difference is that the V4L WOW cartos burn, and once burned, are tossed. I've been vaping the same 5 cartos since I got my kit 3 days after release and the cartos are still going strong (although they are beginning to wane as of this posting...)

I'm still waiting for my reinforcements to arrive in the the mail :-( I know it's Xmas and NY - but, dang it - where's my stuff?

Plug these new cartos onto your 808 PT - and wow. I don't want to leave me desk anymore - they're simply flawless. I've heard that the 808 PTs operate at 5v which might be the difference - I wish I new how to use a multimeter to verify this as I might consider a 5v unit at some point as my vaping journey continues - but wow (did I already say that?) - nothing better to date (although my experience is limited).

Thing is now: I'm sooo over analogs now and the Bloog has been a most satisfying, pain-free way to kick the tobacco habit.
 
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