The "Well its gotta be bad for you!" Mentality
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I do Agree that we Should have more Anaysis done on vaping.
And by the Same Logic of your last sentance, the Contrapositive is Also True.
Actually, no, the True statement would be that it COULD have negative effects.
i hear what your saying. even though it hasn't happened yet
even maliciously that i know of there is an attitude that thinks
there should be regulations for something that hasn't happened,
is not likely to happen, and is already against the law.(adulteration)
what are all these mysterious things that will be put in the juice
and why? e-juice by itself is awesome.
regards
mike
And what Exactly is this Standard that e-Liquids are made of?
Last I checked, there are Dozens if not Hundreds of Chemical Compounds avalible to Flavor e-Liquids. And I know of No Recognized Level of Flavoring/Sweetener Percentages that are used.
And Yes, as it stands right now, Anyone can put Anything into a Bottle and Call it "Juice". Like Neon Green Colorant. Or Titanium Dioxide if the want.
You can even make something like this if you Want...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-reviews/152529-e-sold-gel-ces.html
i hear what your saying. even though it hasn't happened yet
even maliciously that i know of there is an attitude that thinks
there should be regulations for something that hasn't happened,
is not likely to happen, and is already against the law.(adulteration)
what are all these mysterious things that will be put in the juice
and why? e-juice by itself is awesome.
regards
mike
well, it's not my opinion, which I think you know. I have seen the argument on these forums though.
Certain news stories are sometimes linked to, though more often than not the usual posters don't actually provide evidence, just the "possibility."
When "evidence" is provided, it is usually pointed out that something that contains ingredients intended to have effects BEYOND those of pg/vg/flavoring/nicotine are NOT in fact, e-liquids.
Both Statements are False. Because the Logic is Flawed in Both.
who are these mysterious persons and why on earth would they
do it? there are already laws and regulations galore to cover
the possibility's your afraid of. you can't call motor oil baby oil.
mike
I don't normally like using wikipedia as a source, but it works in a pinch:
"Titanium dioxide dust, when inhaled, has been classified by the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) as an IARC Group 2B carcinogen, meaning it is possibly carcinogenic to humans.[56] The findings of the IARC are based on the discovery that high concentrations of pigment-grade (powdered) and ultrafine titanium dioxide dust caused respiratory tract cancer in rats exposed by inhalation and intratracheal instillation.[57] The series of biological events or steps that produce the rat lung cancers (e.g. particle deposition, impaired lung clearance, cell injury, fibrosis, mutations and ultimately cancer) have also been seen in people working in dusty environments. Therefore, the observations of cancer in animals were considered, by IARC, as relevant to people doing jobs with exposures to titanium dioxide dust. For example, titanium dioxide production workers may be exposed to high dust concentrations during packing, milling, site cleaning and maintenance, if there are insufficient dust control measures in place. However, the human studies conducted so far do not suggest an association between occupational exposure to titanium dioxide and an increased risk for cancer. The safety of the use of nano-particle sized titanium dioxide, which can penetrate the body and reach internal organs, has been criticized.[58] Studies have also found that titanium dioxide nanoparticles cause inflammatory response and genetic damage in mice.[59][60] The mechanism by which TiO
2 may cause cancer is unclear. Molecular research suggests that cell cytotoxicity due to TiO
2 results from the interaction between TiO
2 nanoparticles and the lysosomal compartment, independently of the known apoptotic signalling pathways.[61]
The body of research regarding the carcinogenicity of different particle sizes of titanium dioxide has led the US National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health to recommend two separate exposure limits. NIOSH recommends that fine TiO
2 particles be set at an exposure limit of 2.4 mg/m3, while ultrafine TiO
2 be set at an exposure limit of 0.3 mg/m3, as time-weighted average concentrations up to 10 hours a day for a 40 hour work week.[62] These recommendations reflect the findings in the research literature that show smaller titanium dioxide particles are more likely to pose carcinogenic risk than the larger titanium dioxide particles."
Bold emphasis is mine. Is there a study out there that I'm unaware of that says that Titianium Dioxide, in the amount that would be used to pigment e-liquid, in the dosage and particle size that would result from using a vaporizer, IS carcinogenic?
I don't Like to Call out Specific Vendors here on the ECF.
But if you do a Little quick Google Searching, I'm sure you can find what I am Referencing.
Do you think Titanium Oxide should be in e-Liquids?
When the Only Purpose it serves is as a Colorant.
Whilst Steve might have been the focus he is just another contributing person on this issue I've seen these "are ecigs safe" or "is eliquid safe" popping up on a number of forums and a small group of people who say they are vapers are asking\offering views that raise the concern and will not might will influence people who may be tobacco smoking now making the switch to ecigs and it does anger me it's the whole attitude of"im vaping and enjoying the benefits but I'll scare anyone else". It's not about contributing to a debate or even encouraging a debate it's out and out selfish and irresponsible. Also as I've said if these are genuine concerns then why come to a vaping forum and do it were not scientists, ECF doesn't have a lab that will get right onto it many of us may have read up on what research\study has been done but we didn't conduct it or verify it so go to medical or scientific forums where there are people who are qualified people who can give answers.
If I were an opponent I'd be linking to all these threads and asking how those people can support vaping and encourage others when vapers doubt the benefits even though anyone whose been vaping for a while is already feeling the benefits this might be fun for some a chance to create some mayhem for others but to most this is a pointless debate that does nothing to help potential switchers or progress the vaping agenda.
If I were an opponent I'd be linking to all these threads and asking how those people can support vaping and encourage others when vapers doubt the benefits even though anyone whose been vaping for a while is already feeling the benefits this might be fun for some a chance to create some mayhem for others but to most this is a pointless debate that does nothing to help potential switchers or progress the vaping agenda.
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Why not?
I'm not sure if I would buy it, but at this point, I don't see an issue if someone WANTS to buy it.
Just because something is available, doesn't mean that they are forcing it down someone else's throat. Consumers can choose what they buy and what they don't.
not sure it can harm you.
have you seen the neon colored alcoholic beverages.
theres one that has globs floating around in it
to mimic a lava lamp.
mike
So are you Saying that it comes down to an Individual making an Informed Choice. And Adult Individual.
That it is OK to put ANYTHING I want in an e-Liquid. And we'll just let te Consumer Decide if they want to Buy it or Not?
Not Saying that Neon Colored anything is what I would Choose to Drink. Let alone Inhale Every waking hour of the Day, 7 Days a week.
Inhaling something can be Different that Drinking Something. And just because one thing is "Safe" doesn't make a Non-Related product "Safe".
I'm saying it comes down to Consumer making an informed, or uninformed decision. Many people don't give a second thought to what they put into their bodies, why would vaping be any different?
I think it's OK to put whatever combination of pg/vg/nic/flavoring/coloring you want in an e-liquid, as long as it doesn't become something other than an e-liquid, like something that is intended to alter your mental state, or is otherwise illegal, etc. As a vendor you MAY want to disclose ingredients that some might consider questionable, or you may not, the potential backlash would be your responsibility.
Do you think that a petroleum extract such as Brilliant Blue FCF should be in foods?
When the Only Purpose it serves is as a Colorant.
But if a Vendor does Not Disclose what is in their e-Liquid, how does an Adult make in Informed Choice?
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