The Womper Woom OR You Might Be A Modwomper

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Last night at work I got fed up and decided enough with the TC. Got real tired of my vapes going hot, cold, hot, cold. The Evic VT is the only one with Ni200 coil in the STM that will stay as TC, the rest are already back to normal Kanthal builds. Its mainly the IPV4's that are giving the temp chatter for the smok M80 Plus was always TCing on a Kanthal build in the Lemo II and the Evic VT when it starts getting hot, cold, hot, cold, I could turn it up to 500 F for a few vapes and back to 430 F and it stopped giving bad vapes.
Yet its not a total waste, the IPV4's do great with drippers and I can vape my velocity rda all day at 60 watts on them and the Snow Wolf can also be used for drippers. Maybe in the future I will try some titanium wire and see if it also has that problem.
 
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Last night at work I got fed up and decided enough with the TC. Got real tired of my vapes going hot, cold, hot, cold. The Evic VT is the only one with Ni200 coil in the STM that will stay as TC, the rest are already back to normal Kanthal builds. Its mainly the IPV4's that are giving the temp chatter for the Smok M80 Plus was always TCing on a Kanthal build in the Lemo II and the Evic VT when it starts getting hot, cold, hot, cold, I could turn it up to 500 F for a few vapes and back to 430 F and it stopped giving bad vapes.
Yet its not a total waste, the IPV4's do great with drippers and I can vape my velocity RDA all day at 60 watts on them and the Snow Wolf can also be used for drippers. Maybe in the future I will try some titanium wire and see if it also has that problem.

My feeling is that TC is a great idea that technology has not yet caught up to. It will, eventually, but right now... not so much. But I'm really interested in that faux-TC from the SmokM80+. Though I've been less than impressed with various Smok attys, I do like their mods.

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Last night at work I got fed up and decided enough with the TC. Got real tired of my vapes going hot, cold, hot, cold.

FWIW IMO the single most important requirement for TC is rock solid connections.
Any variation in resistance that is not caused by the coil temp change ruins the vape.

YMMV
 

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Last night at work I got fed up and decided enough with the TC. Got real tired of my vapes going hot, cold, hot, cold. The Evic VT is the only one with Ni200 coil in the STM that will stay as TC, the rest are already back to normal Kanthal builds. Its mainly the IPV4's that are giving the temp chatter for the Smok M80 Plus was always TCing on a Kanthal build in the Lemo II and the Evic VT when it starts getting hot, cold, hot, cold, I could turn it up to 500 F for a few vapes and back to 430 F and it stopped giving bad vapes.
Yet its not a total waste, the IPV4's do great with drippers and I can vape my velocity RDA all day at 60 watts on them and the Snow Wolf can also be used for drippers. Maybe in the future I will try some titanium wire and see if it also has that problem.
Generally, if your temp is varying that much, the culprit is the liquid isn't wicking fast enough....as the wick catches back up, temp kicks up, wick starts to dry out, temp protection kicks in...over and over and over........ Even though tc will keep you from a nasty dry hit, ideal wicking is even more important on a tc mod to get steady performance.
If you are using cotton, try a touch thinner then you are used to.

Oh, if you are using the kanger Ni200 occ coils, those are notoriously bad....i gave up on those, won't touch em.
 

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You can't build proper coils without a thorough grounding in String Theory. I'll let @Boden explain why, and how.
Are you kidding me... o_O

It would take 15 maybe 20 minutes to extrapolate from the quantum level all the way up to coil building. That's just too much effort.

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Edit: Although... it would make a pretty good parity. There would have be some death-defying logic leaps in that equation though.
 

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I been on a single flavor kick these last few months. Was doing a bunch of tobacco reviews in the DIY section and seen how great many flavors are as a stand alone and been stuck doing it that way for a while now. Vanilla's, Butterscotch’s, Mango, Tangerine. The most complex juice I mixed up in the last couple of months is when I added a touch of vanilla to some cherry cuban cigar flavor. :)

My main vape has four flavors and I've been vaping it for a couple of years now. I totally agree with you on single flavor recipes though and do that for a few juices too. Flavor West strawberry is fantastic. Such a realistic strawberry flavor, it's like you're actually vaping strawberries. TPA Kentucky Bourbon is another one I really like by itself.

Dont do it, it is crazy out there!!! Then someone starts screaming and they come at you with that real ugly jacket with the looong sleeves and buckles in the back.... save yourself, dont do it! :w00t:

See, I knew I was doing that for a good reason :lol:
 
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FWIW IMO the single most important requirement for TC is rock solid connections.
Any variation in resistance that is not caused by the coil temp change ruins the vape.

YMMV
I thought so too until I started using a GS Air M and an Evod in TC on my SX Mini. They work fine with the rebuilt factory coil heads.
 

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FWIW IMO the single most important requirement for TC is rock solid connections.
Any variation in resistance that is not caused by the coil temp change ruins the vape.

YMMV

The connections are good, checked them a few times.

Generally, if your temp is varying that much, the culprit is the liquid isn't wicking fast enough....as the wick catches back up, temp kicks up, wick starts to dry out, temp protection kicks in...over and over and over........ Even though tc will keep you from a nasty dry hit, ideal wicking is even more important on a tc mod to get steady performance.
If you are using cotton, try a touch thinner then you are used to.

Oh, if you are using the kanger Ni200 occ coils, those are notoriously bad....i gave up on those, won't touch em.

I build my own coils on the RBA decks of the STM's and they are wicking fine. Took it apart a few times to see and they stay saturated. I use both Rayon and cotton, all depends whats closest to me when I am building or re-wicking.


My feeling is that TC is a great idea that technology has not yet caught up to. It will, eventually, but right now... not so much. But I'm really interested in that faux-TC from the SmokM80+. Though I've been less than impressed with various Smok attys, I do like their mods.

Andria

I believe you nailed it Andria, we are on the ground floor of TC and the technology of it just isnt there yet.

I like the M80 Plus but am shying from recommending it to you because our vape styles are so different. I like a very airish vape that produces good clouds where you like very little airish vape and me being able to determine that my tank is empty by reduced performance without a dry hit might be in part from the way I vape. I would hate to say "yeah, this would be great for you" like I did with the Evic VT just to see you be disappointed again. I am trying one of my STM's on it now to see what it does when the tank runs dry and will let yall know. So far I only tried it on the Lemo II.
 

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The connections are good, checked them a few times.



I build my own coils on the RBA decks of the STM's and they are wicking fine. Took it apart a few times to see and they stay saturated. I use both Rayon and cotton, all depends whats closest to me when I am building or re-wicking.




I believe you nailed it Andria, we are on the ground floor of TC and the technology of it just isnt there yet.

I like the M80 Plus but am shying from recommending it to you because our vape styles are so different. I like a very airish vape that produces good clouds where you like very little airish vape and me being able to determine that my tank is empty by reduced performance without a dry hit might be in part from the way I vape. I would hate to say "yeah, this would be great for you" like I did with the Evic VT just to see you be disappointed again. I am trying one of my STM's on it now to see what it does when the tank runs dry and will let yall know. So far I only tried it on the Lemo II.
You are seeing it saturated..... While not in use..... I'm saying it dries out, causing it to cool off, then wick catches up, causing heat to pick back up.... This seems like what you were describing to me.
 
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I've tried variations of lemon (TFA Lemon and Lemon/Lime) and for the life of me, I can't keep the juice from clouding. Also, I find that after a day or two, I start to get a weird after-taste - can't describe it, but it's not a true "lemony" flavor.... I've tried mixing all my flavorings (PG) first and then adding my VG elements. My nic is VG-based, and my "filler" is all VG, so the only PG comes from the flavors. Thoughts? TIA

I'm afraid I'm not going to be much help Dinger. I use lemon at 1-2 drops per 10 ml in a few recipes. I like the subtle flavor change. I've never tried it as an actual lemon juice.

My PFS lemon is almost completely clear, but I wouldn't worry about it if it got cloudy. I can't see through my all day juice and it's real gunky, so a bit of a cloudiness in a juice doesn't bother me at all.

Kinda puts a whole new twist to the term 'cloud chaser' though :w00t:
 
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I believe you nailed it Andria, we are on the ground floor of TC and the technology of it just isnt there yet.

I like the M80 Plus but am shying from recommending it to you because our vape styles are so different. I like a very airish vape that produces good clouds where you like very little airish vape and me being able to determine that my tank is empty by reduced performance without a dry hit might be in part from the way I vape. I would hate to say "yeah, this would be great for you" like I did with the Evic VT just to see you be disappointed again. I am trying one of my STM's on it now to see what it does when the tank runs dry and will let yall know. So far I only tried it on the Lemo II.

That's why I'm not jumping up and down to get one. :D

Actually, I'm a bit on the disappointed side ATM. I sold the Evic, the money's been posted from PP to my bank acct... but I can't really afford to buy a mod right now, even with that. So my versary present will have to wait till the end of this month; the mid-month check will be on the light side, only a 10-day pay period, but the one at the end of the month will be an 11-day check, so I told my husband I was going to order a mod then, and for him to be prepared to not spend much on his precious coins.

After that, of course, we had a big yelling match about how we're BOTH supposed to be benefitting from the lack of buying smokes, but lately I've been getting the short end of that stick, yet he buys coins every payday; he doesn't seem to understand the concept of "share" or "take turns." His response was a slammed door. :facepalm:

On the bright side, the 120ml TH Nic that was out of stock last night, came back in-stock today, so at least I was able to order that, and after a very nice email exchange with Vaperstek, for my disappointment I got a $5 credit, so that's a real plus.

I got email that 30ml DX Bavarian and Vanilla Swirl had come back in stock at BCV, so I'm all WOOHOO! and then discovered that the 10ml TFA Ripe Strawberry was OUT of stock, and since that was the biggest reason for making an order right now, I'm disappointed on that front too.

:grr:
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You can't build proper coils without a thorough grounding in String Theory. I'll let @Boden explain why, and how.

Nope, you don't need to understand string theory to make coils, but it really helps me make wicks ...

At least, that's my story. And I'm sticking to it
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You are seeing it saturated..... While not in use..... I'm saying it dries out, causing it to cool off, then wick catches up, causing heat to pick back up.... This seems like what you were describing to me.

Its more than just that, I can take the STM off the IPV4 and put it on the Evic and it vapes fine, put it back on the IPV4 and within a short time it is back to hot, cold, hot , cold. Its more a problem with the IPV 4 than anything but also does it occasionally on the Evic. With the Evic I can crank it up to 500 F, vape for a few minutes and then back to 430 and its back to a normal vape. Do that with the IPV4 and scorched hits every time. The problem is mainly with the IPV4, and for now its just easier to go back to kanthal builds. At the moment I am in the middle of my two week work rotation and if I was on my two weeks off, I would have plenty of time to play around with it and figure out exactly whats going on, but sadly they are paying me to work on helicopters, not atomizers and even when I tell them my vapes are just as important, they just dont get it. :D
 
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