The Womper Woom OR You Might Be A Modwomper

[KattMamma]

You hear a lot of people (smokers mostly) who talk about studies not proving the dangers....but the fact is, a far higher percentage of smokers die from things like cancer then non smokers. I'm not talking total numbers, just percentages. Claim that as circumstantial evidence if you will, but there is no doubt in my mind that smoking does lead to cancer, heart disease and death....firefighters used to have a high rate of cancer as well, till use of SCBA's became mandatory for all fire responses. Just smoke is horrible for you, add all the extra strange chemicals and how could you doubt they would cause health issues?
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.

Yeah, I don't think I've met anyone who doesn't think they're called cancer sticks for a reason.

But I don't believe every "fact" or "figure" they cite either.

 

[chopdoc]

I believe smoking kills. I watched the effects of a lifetime of smoking kill my father. I know people who died of emphysema. I know myself I couldnt walk 50 yards without being out of breath from smoking. Now a year later since I quit smoking with out any excersise other than what life throws at you, I can walk that same 50 yards pushing a large stand and pulling a cart full of tools and not even be breathing heavily. I dont need a study to show me how much damage we do by smoking.
Yet if you want to go by studies, as USMC said, it is proven that smokers have a much higher rate of cancer, heart disease, deaths than non smokers.

 

[motordude]

Drama on the ECF? NO way!
How dare they.

 

[Boden]

Drama on the ECF? NO way!
How dare they.

Drama.. Where? I love me some Shakespeare!!

 

[Woofer]

My current issue is not really if smoking kills or not.

It is with the remark

Why wasnt people who smoked up in arms about the dangers of smoking while smoking like they are about vaping? If your that worried about it, then quit. Its really that simple.

When many started smoking Doctor advocated it as healthy, the ads are there to prove it.

I prefer to be actively involved in determining if vaping is ``safe`` and proactively eliminate what I perceive to be unacceptable risk.
If I am worried about the unknown I attempt to educate myself and then access the risk.
If you are worried quit is bad advice imo.

 

[KattMamma]

 

[MikeyConti]

^^^ All the time

 

[chopdoc]

My current issue is not really if smoking kills or not.

It is with the remark


When many started smoking Doctor advocated it as healthy, the ads are there to prove it.

I prefer to be actively involved in determining if vaping is ``safe`` and proactively eliminate what I perceive to be unacceptable risk.
If I am worried about the unknown I attempt to educate myself and then access the risk.
If you are worried quit is bad advice imo.

How many times have you been lectured of the dangers of smoking while the person giving the lecture had a cig dangling from their lips? I am sure parents have done this to their kids but they are not going to preach to the masses this way. Yet we see people on one area discussing this mod or this build while on another thread preaching how you cant vape this juice because it will kill you or how that wire is deadly to you while not having a shred of proof to back up their claims. Thats the ones my rant was aimed at and if they are so dog gone worried about it then they should just quit. You woofer, and Reydan and others dont stand on your soap boxes preaching the dangers of vaping this and that. Sure you discuss what you hear or read but you dont stir the masses into mass hysteria over it just to see the outcome. There is nothing wrong with being proactive. I am proactive torwards vaping. Its bad enough we have to fight bureaucrats who are against us just for the simple reason of losing tax revenue, we dont need to also fight rumors and innuendo created by fellow vapors.

 

[Boden]

Rabble!!!

 

[USMCotaku]

Rabble rabble
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.

 

[Lessifer]

I believe us being interested in the health and safety of vaping is the best possible thing. I don't trust anyone else to have my best interests in mind, especially the Alphabet organizations/agencies. However, I wish people would temper their reactions, not express opinions as fact, and not spread rumor as gospel. Not that anyone here is doing that, but I think many people don't think about the WAY they express things.

There is a huge difference between "I try to avoid X because it seems logical, to me, that it may lead to Y" and "You should avoid X because it leads to Y."

 

[Boden]

I like this we could just communicate using guttural noises and moan about the peasantry.

 

[USMCotaku]

You mean like saying "I avoid ni because there is a possibility of leaching" instead of "you shouldn't use ni wire cause the nickel will leach and harm you"...?
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.

 

[Boden]

I believe us being interested in the health and safety of vaping is the best possible thing. I don't trust anyone else to have my best interests in mind, especially the Alphabet organizations/agencies. However, I wish people would temper their reactions, not express opinions as fact, and not spread rumor as gospel. Not that anyone here is doing that, but I think many people don't think about the WAY they express things.

There is a huge difference between "I try to avoid X because it seems logical, to me, that it may lead to Y" and "You should avoid X because it leads to Y."

Only problem is most don't understand the difference between a belief and a fact.

 

[USMCotaku]

Oh, and I don't avoid ni wire
I use ti more.... Because I like it, but still use tempered ni200
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.

 

[chopdoc]

Only problem is most don't understand the difference between a belief and a fact.

Exactly!

 

[Lessifer]

You mean like saying "I avoid ni because there is a possibility of leaching" instead of "you shouldn't use ni wire cause the nickel will leach and harm you"...?
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.

Preferably it would be "I avoid ni because there is a possibility of it leaching, as evidenced by this study, done by this scientist, published in this journal, and here's the link so you can read through it and make the decision for yourself, or if you're not comfortable reading studies, here is a thread discussing it in lay terms." Though I recognize that would tend to make posts much longer

 

[chopdoc]

This week the British Minister of Health came out and publicly stated that Vaping is %95 healthier than smoking. For a government entity to make such a claim I am sure they looked at all available data first before making this proclamation. This carries more weight to me than someone declaring something is unsafe just because they think so.

 

[USMCotaku]

Preferably it would be "I avoid ni because there is a possibility of it leaching, as evidenced by this study, done by this scientist, published in this journal, and here's the link so you can read through it and make the decision for yourself, or if you're not comfortable reading studies, here is a thread discussing it in lay terms." Though I recognize that would tend to make posts much longer

Would be nice to see actual studies, done for OUR uses, instead of people referencing studies done on cookware with tomato sauce...... Just sayin

 

[Lessifer]

Would be nice to see actual studies, done for OUR uses, instead of people referencing studies done on cookware with tomato sauce...... Just sayin

agreed, and it is difficult as so much just hasn't been studied in OUR application. If someone wants to use a cookware study to influence their own decisions, more power to them, and if they want to share that fact, that they are using that study to influence their own decisions, fine. Again though, people would do better to be clear about exactly what they are saying.