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Typically anything from 20P/80V to 30P/70V. I will build around 1.5 ohms, running about 10-12W. I have better success with the 3.1ES (fasttech clone) than I do with my KF Lite (also a fasttech clone.)
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You are going to need a Dremel tool to make the air/juice channels larger.
 
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That, I have :)
You are going to need to make the channel I am pointing to in the pic about twice as wide as it is now and a tiny bit deeper. Remove metal all the way down to the bottom of that slot and a bit in the horizontal slot. I would use a carbide bit. This: 9904 carbide cutter. If you have sewing machine oil use it as a blade lubricant.
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Excellent!

What a lot of us have found over on the eVic VTC mini thread is:
Put room temperature atty on the mini with it's temp unlocked and let it detect the temperature, I do this and it detects the Ni 200 build at 0.2 ohms. I vape it at 380F/20-25W and it provides a warm excellent vape and does not trigger temperature protection till the wick is dry.

Now let the mini go to sleep and the atty to cool down. I hit the fire button to wake it up and the resistance has dropped to 0.11 ohms, now this thing vapes very similar to an eVod and hits temperature protection constantly after the first second. You have to turn the temperature up to 550F to get any sort of decent vape in this mode.

Unscrew the atty and let it cool, hit the fire button a few times to reset the resistance back to zero. Screw the atty back on and it detects 0.2 ohms again. I hit the fire button, the VTC asks New Coil? I say yes and have a wonderful vape at 380F without ever entering temperature protection. Until the mini goes to sleep again.

This can be recreated all day and does not matter if resistance is locked or not. It's not just the Kayfun V4 that has this problem, it also does it on fixed pin toppers like the FeV V3, Origen Dripper V2, Mutation X V3 and the CCI Militia.

I tried building with Ni 200 down into the 0.07 ohm range but that was even worse and you can only fit a 0.15 ohm 28g Ni 200 build so many places...

I put that same topper on the IPV D2 set it to 400F/30J and vape away without issue, there is definitely a firmware or hardware problem with many of the VTC mini's.


I find it funny. I have 5 TC mods. 2 IPV4.s, an Evic VT, a Snow Wolf and my SMok M80. I did TC on all of them and to me TC just ends up giving you a muted vape with the exception of doing TC with a Kanthal build on the Smok M80. They all started out with a decent TC vape and within a few hours started to develop a muted flavor to them. Didnt matter if I used Ni or Ti wire. Yet the M80 always has a STM on it with a kanthal build of 24 ga Kanthal at .6 ohms and I have it set for 400 F and 25 watts, and it always gives a perfect vape. The coil has been in the STM for @ 6 weeks now and I havent rewicked it in about 3 weeks and its still going strong. When I did rewick it it was because the tank was having a slight flooding problem yet the wick was white and the coil was very clean for the amount of usage the tank see's.
So yes, I find it funny. I see all this discussion on the various TC mods out there but nothing about the M80 Plus yet that’s the best TC mod I have.
 

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I find it funny. I have 5 TC mods. 2 IPV4.s, an Evic VT, a Snow Wolf and my SMok M80. I did TC on all of them and to me TC just ends up giving you a muted vape with the exception of doing TC with a Kanthal build on the Smok M80. They all started out with a decent TC vape and within a few hours started to develop a muted flavor to them. Didnt matter if I used Ni or Ti wire. Yet the M80 always has a STM on it with a kanthal build of 24 ga Kanthal at .6 ohms and I have it set for 400 F and 25 watts, and it always gives a perfect vape. The coil has been in the STM for @ 6 weeks now and I havent rewicked it in about 3 weeks and its still going strong. When I did rewick it it was because the tank was having a slight flooding problem yet the wick was white and the coil was very clean for the amount of usage the tank see's.
So yes, I find it funny. I see all this discussion on the various TC mods out there but nothing about the M80 Plus yet that’s the best TC mod I have.

I was having issues with TC as well with the IPV4s until I started mixing my juices at 70P/30V and then I bumped my IPV4s's up to 45J-50J and set temp to 420F-440F with dual 26ga 7 wrap titanium (2.5mm ID) coils. You will have a superb vape for weeks. I have been running the same setup for 2 weeks now and no change in flavor and I get a strong hit everytime. For some reason this setup just made everything CLICK and BAM! weeks of not changing wicks / coils.

You can TC with kanthal...? you need resistance wire (ni200 and TI01) so it works properly. Without change in resistance your TC mod will not be able to detect change in temperature so you are basically using kanthal in TC mode, but actually not controlling temp...am I wrong about this?
 

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I was having issues with TC as well with the IPV4s until I started mixing my juices at 70P/30V and then I bumped my IPV4s's up to 45J-50J and set temp to 420F-440F with dual 26ga 7 wrap titanium (2.5mm ID) coils. You will have a superb vape for weeks. I have been running the same setup for 2 weeks now and no change in flavor and I get a strong hit everytime. For some reason this setup just made everything CLICK and BAM! weeks of not changing wicks / coils.

You can TC with kanthal...? you need resistance wire (ni200 and TI01) so it works properly. Without change in resistance your TC mod will not be able to detect change in temperature so you are basically using kanthal in TC mode, but actually not controlling temp...am I wrong about this?

I like high VG juice. High PG is more throat hit than I want. I have a little bit of PG at the house and a couple gallons of VG.

They say Kanthal wont do TC but I am doing it on the M80. I dont get dry hit when I vape the tank dry unless I keep vaping after the vapor diminishes and flavor is non existent and I can see the temp jumping around on the mod with normal usage. If I set the wattage too high I will get a scorched taste but not a dry hit taste. It works for what I want so dont know what to tell yall.
 

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I like high VG juice. High PG is more throat hit than I want. I have a little bit of PG at the house and a couple gallons of VG.

They say Kanthal wont do TC but I am doing it on the M80. I dont get dry hit when I vape the tank dry unless I keep vaping after the vapor diminishes and flavor is non existent and I can see the temp jumping around on the mod with normal usage. If I set the wattage too high I will get a scorched taste but not a dry hit taste. It works for what I want so dont know what to tell yall.

Sounds a lot like the situation I've arrived at, with my Achilles. When I first got it, it distressed me that I couldn't see into it, as I do with my kayfuns; I was taking the cap off every 15 minutes to see if it needed refilling... so I figured TC would help. I got that same "muted" quality using titanium, really hated it -- muted flavor, too-soft TH -- so I sold the Evic. But I've now used the Achilles long enough that I can *just tell* when it needs a refill -- the flavor falls off (the vapor too, though that's harder to determine with my high-PG), long before the wick (which is very long in the Achilles) goes dry, so I don't get a dry hit... but when I open it at that point, the bottom of the well is dry.

I really don't think TC is a good substitute for experience.

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Sounds a lot like the situation I've arrived at, with my Achilles. When I first got it, it distressed me that I couldn't see into it, as I do with my kayfuns; I was taking the cap off every 15 minutes to see if it needed refilling... so I figured TC would help. I got that same "muted" quality using titanium, really hated it -- muted flavor, too-soft TH -- so I sold the Evic. But I've now used the Achilles long enough that I can *just tell* when it needs a refill -- the flavor falls off (the vapor too, though that's harder to determine with my high-PG), long before the wick (which is very long in the Achilles) goes dry, so I don't get a dry hit... but when I open it at that point, the bottom of the well is dry.

I really don't think TC is a good substitute for experience.

Andria

Did you use spaced ti01 coils? Also, did you try setting your joules and temp higher? Flavorings seem to only vaporize with the base liquids at higher temperatures then the base liquids. So you get muted at low temps and flavorful at high temp. To get to the higher temps you don't just set your temp limit because that just limits and if your joules are to low you won't come close to that limit. That is my understanding of TC and it works for me. Never going back to non TC or Kanthal.


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Did you use spaced ti01 coils? Also, did you try setting your joules and temp higher? Flavorings seem to only vaporize with the base liquids at higher temperatures then the base liquids. So you get muted at low temps and flavorful at high temp. To get to the higher temps you don't just set your temp limit because that just limits and if your joules are to low you won't come close to that limit. That is my understanding of TC and it works for me. Never going back to non TC or Kanthal.


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I did use spaced, yes, as I was told that was the best way to use titanium coils.

No idea what a "joules" is. I started with it around 370F, and eventually went to 400F, but that was far too hot for me, and it didnt' really help, just made the vape hotter, not better. I even switched it to nickel mode at about 350F, but it was still too hot, and tasted burnt.

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Joule is a unit of measurement used by several TC mods now equal to 1 watt for 1 second.


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The Evic VT doesn't say anything about joules. I had it set at 30w, which is the minimum -- it gives a 30w blast everytime you press the fire btn anyway, which is over 3 times more wattage than I need for vw vaping, so the thing was utterly useless to me.

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Did you use spaced ti01 coils? Also, did you try setting your joules and temp higher? Flavorings seem to only vaporize with the base liquids at higher temperatures then the base liquids. So you get muted at low temps and flavorful at high temp. To get to the higher temps you don't just set your temp limit because that just limits and if your joules are to low you won't come close to that limit. That is my understanding of TC and it works for me. Never going back to non TC or Kanthal.


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Wow.. You got everything wrong o_O

That's impressive

Setting joules higher just speeds up how fast the coil gets to the set temp.

Flavoring does not vaporize at a different temperature than the solution as a whole. Your mouth senses flavor differently depending on the temp of the vapor.
 

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The SteamCrave Squonker looks interesting, but its more expensive and only in pre-order stage..

Where are you trying to order yours from, I have had mine for almost a month now, ordered it directly from the Steam Crave site.
 

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Wow.. You got everything wrong o_O

That's impressive

Setting joules higher just speeds up how fast the coil gets to the set temp.

Flavoring does not vaporize at a different temperature than the solution as a whole. Your mouth senses flavor differently depending on the temp of the vapor.
Wow you're quick to troll, that's impressive too. If your joules are to low, when you puff it might not ever reach your set temperature. Set your joules to the lowest setting and see if you ever hit your temp while puffing....nah, not going to happen. What about that is wrong? Do me a favor and reply with some respect next time.


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Where are you trying to order yours from, I have had mine for almost a month now, ordered it directly from the Steam Crave site.
You made me go back and look. Stupid me wasn't looking on the "Actual Store" part of SteamCrave lol Now I see it. Says first batch sold out.. Heard the early buyers got it for $70? How do you like yours?? :)
 
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You can't beat it for the price, 'm not the youngest anymore and age and the weather play havoc on my thumbs at times so being able to squonk that way is easy on my hands.
I bought mine with the glass bottom fed rba. I like the flavor a lot very clean has a nice deep well that holds a lot of liquid so you don't have to squonk as much.
 

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Wow you're quick to troll, that's impressive too. If your joules are to low, when you puff it might not ever reach your set temperature. Set your joules to the lowest setting and see if you ever hit your temp while puffing....nah, not going to happen. What about that is wrong? Do me a favor and reply with some respect next time.


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Actually Boden is right. The higher you set your Joules/watts the faster the coil reaches the temp limit and too high it will overshoot the temp and chatter as it tries to maintain the temp setting. You are limited by two separate factors with temp control. The temp you like and the temp that burns the wick. If you set it to 500 F and the wick is only rated for 420 F then you just defeated the purpose of temp control for you will get dry hits.
And I have set both of my IPV4's to 420 F at 10 joules and have hit my temp.
 
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Sounds a lot like the situation I've arrived at, with my Achilles. When I first got it, it distressed me that I couldn't see into it, as I do with my kayfuns; I was taking the cap off every 15 minutes to see if it needed refilling... so I figured TC would help. I got that same "muted" quality using titanium, really hated it -- muted flavor, too-soft TH -- so I sold the Evic. But I've now used the Achilles long enough that I can *just tell* when it needs a refill -- the flavor falls off (the vapor too, though that's harder to determine with my high-PG), long before the wick (which is very long in the Achilles) goes dry, so I don't get a dry hit... but when I open it at that point, the bottom of the well is dry.

I really don't think TC is a good substitute for experience.

Andria

TC was fun to play with and I learned a lot about it but in the end I just didnt like muted tasting vapes. Even cranking it up to 500 watts it still tasted muted to me. Thats why out of the 5 TC mods I have plus a cube on the way, only the one will stay in TC.
I know what you mean with knowing when. With my Vaperflask squonk I can tell when it needs to be squonked because the flavor falls off drastically. I use that thing all the time and never get a dry hit and im using sweetened juice in it now and the coil wick still looks great after a few weeks.
 
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Actually Boden is right. The higher you set your Joules/watts the faster the coil reaches the temp limit and too high it will overshoot the temp and chatter as it tries to maintain the temp setting. You are limited by two separate factors with temp control. The temp you like and the temp that burns the wick. If you set it to 500 F and the wick is only rated for 420 F then you just defeated the purpose of temp control for you will get dry hits.
And I have set both of my IPV4's to 420 F at 10 joules and have hit my temp.

Yeah I know he is right. It will ramp up the heat faster so you hit your temp limit faster, I didn't say that was wrong and set it too high and it will chatter, correct. If you set your joules at 10 and temp at 420f there is no way you are going to hit temp when you are pulling...absolutely not. I am doing it right now. Even at 20 joules it is extremely under powered. Your juice will cool it off too fast for your coils to ever reach temp at 10 joules. If you hold the fire button for a few seconds without puffing then yes it will eventually hit a high enough temp to vaporize something. This is why auto joules is probably a good idea for some people BTW. Takes the guess work out of it. Cloupor mini plus has auto joules...that and the GT (only mods I know of that do).

While I am at it, not all chemical compounds have the same flashpoint and boiling point. That is why I said it "seems to be" that the flavor vaporizes at higher temps then the base liquids. Probably wrong in some cases because not all flavors are the same. But generally speaking I find that more flavoring is carried with your base liquid into the vapor state when you vaporize quicker. Could this be because my "perception" is different at that temperature? Yes, I agree there too, but that does not have a thing to do with the amount of flavor being carried in your vapor. I'll give you an example of why I think this could be the case. At work I sometimes use AK-225 (solvent) which is really good at absorbing NVR and also very expensive, and banned, so we can't purchase it anymore. Which is why we distill it. We distill it so we can leave behind the NVR (non-volatile residue) and particulates. After I am done distilling I measure the purity of the AK-225 after distillation. If I flash the solvent off too fast it will carry more NVR over through the distillation process. Apply this to PG / VG and the same SEEMS to hold true. At low power settings you get muted hits because your hitting the vaporizing temp of the base liquid first and leaving the flavoring behind. At high settings you get flavorful hits because you are rapidly reaching the ideal vaporizing point for base liquid and the flavoring absorbed in it will have a higher tendency to come with it. Too high and you hit the burnt wick limit, yes.


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