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[Lessifer]

Trust me my head is hurting right now! I've just saw that in fact everything related to vaping is in it. Mods, e liquid, batteries and such. But the work around is that it must be all together as a working device. Another words these companies do not have to submit to the PMTA for their individual products but when they're put all together it becomes a tobacco product!
Boy it's a good thing we have these Gov't geniuses looking after us!

That's not how I read it. I read it as, if it's all together in a working device you have a better chance of getting approved(i.e. cigalike); if your product is a component, say an atomizer, it still needs approval and your tests will have to include its effects with a range of other components that would constitute a complete device.

All preliminary reading of course.

 

[LJFinFLA]

That's not how I read it. I read it as, if it's all together in a working device you have a better chance of getting approved(i.e. cigalike); if your product is a component, say an atomizer, it still needs approval and your tests will have to include its effects with a range of other components that would constitute a complete device.

All preliminary reading of course.

Your right. I was speaking of battery companies, glass manufacturers, and such. Another words those companies don't have to comply with the PMTA individually, but when it's all together then it becomes a tobacco product. So if you want to buy a battery that's not a problem. So we should be able to get the parts for those of us who can put them all together without Gov't watching. At least that's what I getting out of it. But like I said I've been reading so much today my brain is scrambled!

Black Market here we come!!

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Just ordered enough parts to keep my Subtank Minis running for 10 years or so.
got enough wire for 10+ years.
Enough NIc for 15 years or more.
Enough flavoring and PG/VG for at least 2 years.
5 mech mods and about a dozen regulated ones.

 

[Atchafalaya]

This is correct pokemom. I'm not trying to cause a panic here. What I really would like is that those that sit on their duffs get up and join the fight with the rest of us. Nobody thought that this was going to happen as quick as it did. According to the deeming this will take effect in August of this year and company's have 90 days to file the necessary papers, should they decide that spending over a million dollars+ per product is worth it. I'm just so damn frustrated that this Gov't of ours will do what ever the hell they want. Sorry I'm getting into a rant here.
I'm off to keep reading.

Rant all you want. I second that rant! Time for more action.

 

[Atchafalaya]

Trust me my head is hurting right now! I've just saw that in fact everything related to vaping is in it. Mods, e liquid, batteries and such. But the work around is that it must be all together as a working device. Another words these companies do not have to submit to the PMTA for their individual products but when they're put all together it becomes a tobacco product!
Boy it's a good thing we have these Gov't geniuses looking after us!

Just ordered enough parts to keep my Subtank Minis running for 10 years or so.
got enough wire for 10+ years.
Enough NIc for 15 years or more.
Enough flavoring and PG/VG for at least 2 years.
5 mech mods and about a dozen regulated ones.

Well, I just tried to order more of my favorite tanks, and they're sold out. Going to other sites tonight to look....

 

[pokemom]

Just ordered enough parts to keep my Subtank Minis running for 10 years or so.
got enough wire for 10+ years.
Enough NIc for 15 years or more.
Enough flavoring and PG/VG for at least 2 years.
5 mech mods and about a dozen regulated ones.

You're lucky. I've come to realize, this week, that the majority of mods that I bought for my vapepocalypse box (they were on massive sales), I don't like. They'll work, and I won't be without, but they are definitely not my favorites. Guess I need to figure out what I really like and get a couple of those. Sigh.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

I dunno about not shipping in or out of the EU right now but I just got a mod I won shipped from Zurich.

 

[LJFinFLA]

You're lucky. I've come to realize, this week, that the majority of mods that I bought for my vapepocalypse box (they were on massive sales), I don't like. They'll work, and I won't be without, but they are definitely not my favorites. Guess I need to figure out what I really like and get a couple of those. Sigh.

If things go through they will be your favorites!!

 

[Lannie]

I keep seeing posts all over telling people to "urge" or to "ask" their Congresscritters to support the bill (gah, I forget the number - 2058?) that delays the grandfathering date. To me this sounds like telling slaves to ask their masters to please not beat them as hard. Nobody listens to "urging" or "asking." We need to start DEMANDING. And WTH with just delaying the grandfathering date? We need to DEMAND they leave vaping alone! It's fine to have age restrictions, but those already exist, just like they do for tobacco. But to call an 18650 battery a "tobacco product?" Or a zero-nic juice? Neither of them have tobacco in them, nor does a mod, nor a tank, or any of the other stuff EXCEPT maybe (and this is enough of a stretch to boggle the mind) juice with nicotine in it. Nicotine is not tobacco. It isn't now, it wasn't in 2007, and it will never be.

I read someone's post on some other thread (I think - my head hurts, too), and the guy was saying basically they're putting all this out there to make everyone panic, then they'll back off some of it (and how could they honestly enforce all of it anyway, think about that), and we'll all say, "Oh, thank you, master, for giving us a little crumb." Well, the hell with crumbs, I want my cake, dammit!

And on a much more mundane note, so much so that it's hardly worth mentioning it today... I re-coiled my other 5 "old soldiers" and all of them came out at .49 to .51 ohms the first time. So now all the coils I thought I was going to have to throw away are all brand-new again.

I do have one question, though. Since it's resistance wire for the whole length now, not NR wire for the legs, can I still dry-burn these to clean them? I was worried about burning the rubber gasket that holds them, but then I thought, if it was going to burn the gasket, it would burn it WHILE I was vaping, right? 'Cuz no juice gets down that far, so it should be OK, right? I think it will be fine, but if someone thinks otherwise, let me know.

 

[Lessifer]

I keep seeing posts all over telling people to "urge" or to "ask" their Congresscritters to support the bill (gah, I forget the number - 2058?) that delays the grandfathering date. To me this sounds like telling slaves to ask their masters to please not beat them as hard. Nobody listens to "urging" or "asking." We need to start DEMANDING. And WTH with just delaying the grandfathering date? We need to DEMAND they leave vaping alone! It's fine to have age restrictions, but those already exist, just like they do for tobacco. But to call an 18650 battery a "tobacco product?" Or a zero-nic juice? Neither of them have tobacco in them, nor does a mod, nor a tank, or any of the other stuff EXCEPT maybe (and this is enough of a stretch to boggle the mind) juice with nicotine in it. Nicotine is not tobacco. It isn't now, it wasn't in 2007, and it will never be.

I read someone's post on some other thread (I think - my head hurts, too), and the guy was saying basically they're putting all this out there to make everyone panic, then they'll back off some of it (and how could they honestly enforce all of it anyway, think about that), and we'll all say, "Oh, thank you, master, for giving us a little crumb." Well, the hell with crumbs, I want my cake, dammit!

And on a much more mundane note, so much so that it's hardly worth mentioning it today... I re-coiled my other 5 "old soldiers" and all of them came out at .49 to .51 ohms the first time. So now all the coils I thought I was going to have to throw away are all brand-new again.

I do have one question, though. Since it's resistance wire for the whole length now, not NR wire for the legs, can I still dry-burn these to clean them? I was worried about burning the rubber gasket that holds them, but then I thought, if it was going to burn the gasket, it would burn it WHILE I was vaping, right? 'Cuz no juice gets down that far, so it should be OK, right? I think it will be fine, but if someone thinks otherwise, let me know.

For the coil/legs you should be fine, just pulse, not hold and burn. The heat takes a while to get from the center of the coil down to the legs, unless you have a hotspot.

For the other part of it, I keep saying we need to fight the entire deeming, not just try to work within the framework. The leaders of the advocacy groups don't think that's feasible. They ask us to trust them because they've been doing this since 2009. I continue to support them, but there's a nagging thought in the back of my head, if I had an employee working at something for 7 years, and there was nothing to show for it, they'd be fired... I don't know politics though, so we do need people who know how everything works.

To be clear, I am not saying we should not continue to support our vaping advocates.

 

[Fuzzy Thunderbear]

Anyone here yet read the entire reg?

If nicotine, all by itself, is going to be considered a tobacco product (one thread says "yes," the next says "no"), what about the foods that contain nicotine? Will they have to be regulated as "tobacco products"? For those who are unaware, here's a list of non-tobacco foods that all contain some nicotine: Tomatoes, Potatoes, Eggplant, Green Tea, Black Tea, Peppers/Capsicums, and Cauliflower. Does that mean if McDonald's puts a tomato on your hamburger, they will have to be considered a manufacturer of tobacco products? And if they stop serving tomatoes, then they'll go out of business when they cannot sell you french fries...

 

[Atchafalaya]

If things go through they will be your favorites!!

Amen, they will. I just thought about the old tanks I threw out and all I needed to really do is deep clean them. Now, I feel like I was a spoiled brat. I'll never chunk anything out again!

 

[Atchafalaya]

Anyone here yet read the entire reg?

If nicotine, all by itself, is going to be considered a tobacco product (one thread says "yes," the next says "no"), what about the foods that contain nicotine? Will they have to be regulated as "tobacco products"? For those who are unaware, here's a list of non-tobacco foods that all contain some nicotine: Tomatoes, Potatoes, Eggplant, Green Tea, Black Tea, Peppers/Capsicums, and Cauliflower. Does that mean if McDonald's puts a tomato on your hamburger, they will have to be considered a manufacturer of tobacco products? And if they stop serving tomatoes, then they'll go out of business when they cannot sell you french fries...

They don't care about tomatoes or potatoes or etc. They ONLY care about making money and the BIG money they've lost from the taxes on cigs.
Edit: But I'm sure you know that fuzz. I'm not thinking clearly. I'm SO angry I could spit!

 

[Atchafalaya]

I keep seeing posts all over telling people to "urge" or to "ask" their Congresscritters to support the bill (gah, I forget the number - 2058?) that delays the grandfathering date. To me this sounds like telling slaves to ask their masters to please not beat them as hard. Nobody listens to "urging" or "asking." We need to start DEMANDING. And WTH with just delaying the grandfathering date? We need to DEMAND they leave vaping alone!

AGREED! I've been sending letters and emails for 3 years! Time to do like the NRA.

 

[Fuzzy Thunderbear]

But I'm sure you know that fuzz. I'm not thinking clearly. I'm SO angry I could spit!

Well, of course you are angry. We all are. I just want to catch the .......s out via their own definitions. IF all nicotine, regardless of source, regardless of end use, is to be regulated, then the food industry must also go bankrupt along with the vape shops.

 

[Lessifer]

Anyone here yet read the entire reg?

If nicotine, all by itself, is going to be considered a tobacco product (one thread says "yes," the next says "no"), what about the foods that contain nicotine? Will they have to be regulated as "tobacco products"? For those who are unaware, here's a list of non-tobacco foods that all contain some nicotine: Tomatoes, Potatoes, Eggplant, Green Tea, Black Tea, Peppers/Capsicums, and Cauliflower. Does that mean if McDonald's puts a tomato on your hamburger, they will have to be considered a manufacturer of tobacco products? And if they stop serving tomatoes, then they'll go out of business when they cannot sell you french fries...

Haven't even gone back to reading it all yet... but no, they're not going after veggies, etc. They're focusing on intended use, but they get to decide the intended use. I haven't been able to figure out the bulk nic situation yet.

 

[Rixsta]

This is just a nightmare. I'm so furious my eyes feeling like they are shooting out flames!

That's my backside after the Ruby Murray I had earlier.
Been working on the decking all day, Bush wackered, time for bed.
Emma wants a water bed but I'm paranoid it will burst and drown me rats
Night....ya'll

Nicotine is an insecticide.
So I vape Antifreeze and insecticide!
And I gots dry popcorn knuckles!

Sick as
RIP, Rip lol

 

[Atchafalaya]

That's my backside after the Ruby Murray I had earlier

lol!!!!! Thanks for the laugh Rixy. Night night! x

 

[Atchafalaya]

My big worry, is that a current smoker, who has not yet "discovered" vaping, will never have the chances we've had. To try different things.....to find out "what" works for them. I've been vaping for over 3 years, but it wasn't until I came here, that I found out about vaping something other than a cigalike. Those never worked for me. And finally quit the cigs completely in August. Well, I'm going "shopping" now for more nic and tanks.

 

[Vaslovik]

Not a hundred Pct sure yet but I believe the regs are just on devices. I have seen a couple of people say not juice but with 499 pages of goobledigoop, I'll wait until someone has read them and more importantly, understands them! Where are you in the Cape? I'm in the middle of the SW section.

I'm in the SE section just off CC Parkway. I very much doubt the regs are just about devices, they are very focused on nicotine as a tobacco product and regulating it pursuant to a BT monopoly on it. It's all about vaping not making them money, and them wanting it to, which boils down to juice, not devices. Without the juice your device is of no consequence. It's the same reason gun controllers have tried to go after your ammo.