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I know I am a bit late in the day coming in on this issue, but I have a couple questions that might help you solve your own dilemma: 1) the photo implies the radiator is more gunked than the clapton... were they both clean to start? My suggestion here might be that the radiator used its heat to burn the juice on the coil... and 2) how big of a cloud did each make relative to the other? Was more juice used by one because it was blown out into the room? Maybe the complexity of the efficiency issue is hidden in the simplicity of the vape... just a wild thought.
1) the radiator in this pic is unused. I used it as reference to show what I'm referring to. The color is from the heat treatment.
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2) This test started when I noticed that with the 30g Radiator was drying the wick much faster and made much more "cloud" than the Clapton at a lower wattage. Made my brain go o_O

Good thoughts, keep em coming :)
 

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Lower, deeper down the rabbit hole kad goes, plunging deeper into the darkness as he heads for super sub ohm.

Nice cloud..

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With all due respect Sir ;)

Claptons were designed for much higher wattage and longer pulls, you just can't do that with normal builds. They are for drippers with massive airflow or Rdta's, big 100w, fill ya lungs pulls of warm tasty vapor. Ain't no Clapton gonna work in the likes of the Merlin, Goblin minis, serpents ect... or any kind of womp tank. We need the longer ramp up time to be able to draw more without the wicks drying out for that style of vaping. The longer ramp up sucks more juice into the cotton over a longer amount of time, a single coil that heats up instant, you have to lower the wattage, it dries the cotton out too quick to work in a dripper properly and reduces flavor. In a tank where the cotton is always saturated then yes. That's why the majority of people run Claptons in big dual RDA's. If you don't vape like that don't use those type of coils, they won't work. I dont have the science behind it, I just know from vaping on them everyday they work when used properly. I hear people say that they are over rated and there's too much metal ect, they don't build low, they dont use them correctly, they ain't got the right gear to use them correctly ! and they ain't gone to the darkside.

Should I run the test using my Velocity? I'm not saying they don't work, these tests are about effiency.
 

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I need everyone's help. You too @Robert Cromwell ;)

Why would the parallel 30g on the right be twice as efficient over a wide range of wattages as the 26/32 fused Clapton on the left.

This conflicts with the Common Knowledge to such a degree I need to find wether the problem is in my methodology or is this common knowledge completely wrong.

This is the first time I've done a methodical test on this. If the results were close I could chock the CK up to preference of shiny things. But it's not.

Weight is below them.
( the coil on the right is a close copy of the one in use)
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Where is the lost heat going.

Edit: I did notice the tank was much warmer to the touch when using the Clapton.
I believe it's simply connection. The one on the left has pieces that are not flush but the one on the right doesn't have as many rings with spaces where electrons can dissipate.
 

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Should I run the test using my Velocity? I'm not saying they don't work, these tests are about effiency.
I wasn't actually referring to your tests per say, I should of mentioned that :rolleyes: I love your science, most of it goes over my head but yes that would be much better in the Velocity. I'd aim for around 0.2ohm dual coils, 80w, full air, your wife might kill ya though, that should blow some massive clouds haha. Ramp up time will be quicker, I'd be interested to see what you thought of that setup. Either way, they probably ain't very efficient but I just like to vape that way.:blush:
 

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The following is vape related.

I like tanks.

But I like drippers as well.

First I should say Vaping Cheap has a listing for the Sapor for under 10 bucks. Great deal on a good RDA. Kinda a moody thing but works great once tamed. The top air causes the moodiness but makes it pretty much leak free.

The Goon is still the best RDA ever. Nothing else has ever or will ever come close.

Yesterday a Troll V2 followed me home. Interesting little unit this. It came with a bunch of coils which didn't look that great to me and honestly didn't impress me much. Its side air which I prefer even though they can leak. The driptip is interesting and I didn't think I'd like it but turns out I love it. Any 510 DT can be used or the chuff top which I don't like on anything (except the Sapor which is basicly the only way it works well). I currently have my favorite build for just about everything which is 9 wraps of 24ga at 3mm which is .4ish. Holds about a quart of juice and vapes to infinity and beyond between drippings. I'm using Audio Fog Reverb in it which below 40w in anything is unflavored but over 40w is pure heaven.
 

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Lower, deeper down the rabbit hole kad goes, plunging deeper into the darkness as he heads for super sub ohm.

Nice cloud..

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With all due respect Sir ;)

Claptons were designed for much higher wattage and longer pulls, you just can't do that with normal builds. They are for drippers with massive airflow or Rdta's, big 100w, fill ya lungs pulls of warm tasty vapor. Ain't no Clapton gonna work in the likes of the Merlin, Goblin minis, serpents ect... or any kind of womp tank. We need the longer ramp up time to be able to draw more without the wicks drying out for that style of vaping. The longer ramp up sucks more juice into the cotton over a longer amount of time, a single coil that heats up instant, you have to lower the wattage, it dries the cotton out too quick to work in a dripper properly and reduces flavor. In a tank where the cotton is always saturated then yes. That's why the majority of people run Claptons in big dual RDA's. If you don't vape like that don't use those type of coils, they won't work. I dont have the science behind it, I just know from vaping on them everyday they work when used properly. I hear people say that they are over rated and there's too much metal ect, they don't build low, they dont use them correctly, they ain't got the right gear to use them correctly ! and they ain't gone to the darkside.
Indeed!
Fused Claptons in the Moonshot = Yummy, Cloudy Goodness!

The Limitless combo looks Excellent!
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I wasn't actually referring to your tests per say, I should of mentioned that :rolleyes: I love your science, most of it goes over my head but yes that would be much better in the Velocity. I'd aim for around 0.2ohm dual coils, 80w, full air, your wife might kill ya though, that should blow some massive clouds haha. Ramp up time will be quicker, I'd be interested to see what you thought of that setup. Either way, they probably ain't very efficient but I just like to vape that way.:blush:
I'm not making a judgement. For people who like a really warm vape a high mass coil is the way to go. With the Clapton I got a warm vape and I wasn't plowing through eliquid. With the Radiator to get a warm vape the vapor density was almost too much.

I'll have to figure out how to measure how much juice each setup goes through. I think I'll give my lungs a break today though. :)
 

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I'm having fun

So I can get this test @Rixsta Cloud Chucker Society Bro approved

Obligatory sheep with braces shot
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Tomorrow the showdown... Dueling Velocities at dawn!!!
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

(Well after breakfast of course, so around 11)
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I'll break the Clapton in later then rewick both before measuring anything.

@Robert Cromwell you can have my vape stuff if I die. ;)
 

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I believe it's simply connection. The one on the left has pieces that are not flush but the one on the right doesn't have as many rings with spaces where electrons can dissipate.
Atcha, I adore you

Dissipate electrons... o_O

That's funny :lol::lol::lol:
 

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I'm having fun

So I can get this test @Rixsta Cloud Chucker Society Bro approved

Obligatory sheep with braces shot
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Tomorrow the showdown... Dueling Velocities at dawn!!!
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

(Well after breakfast of course, so around 11)
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I'll break the Clapton in later then rewick both before measuring anything.

@Robert Cromwell you can have my vape stuff if I die. ;)
Now thats what I'm talking about, 80w on the Clapton, maybe higher :)

Look forward to the results, if ya make it through !
 
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