This is just classic government fear-mongering. Stir up enough fear and restrictive laws will follow. ORDER THROUGH CHAOS!!!!
These are the kind of scare tactics that are coming after us...
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We are having a push to try to sell more lotto tickets in Nebraska. If I don't ask you to buy one, or suggest "would you like your change in lottery tickets?" you get a free lottery ticket. Not a regular ticket, but one off of a "special" pack that the lottery salesman brought in.
The state government won't let casinos come to the state because we have to "protect the children". Now I have to tell you how great the lotto is right in front of them. I have heard several kids ask mom if they can scratch them off. The responsible parents say no. The ones that had over the tickets are the same ones who would leave the open bottle of juice sit on the coffee table while they get plastered with their friends.
Just a little rant from personal observations...
The state government won't let casinos come to the state because we have to "protect the children". Now I have to tell you how great the lotto is right in front of them. I have heard several kids ask mom if they can scratch them off. The responsible parents say no. The ones that had over the tickets are the same ones who would leave the open bottle of juice sit on the coffee table while they get plastered with their friends.
Just a little rant from personal observations...
Where can I find e juice with a nic level of 72mg?
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I just read the entire article. Twice. Everything the author flags as "dangerous" involves the MISUSE of liquid nicotine.
Anything in your house can kill you if you misuse it.
So, by the author's logic, we'll need government regulation on cotton balls because they can be misused by swallowing, causing suffocation. And pencils, which can be misused by stabbing into one's neck, causing exsanguination. And water, which can be misused by immersion of the head, causing drowning. And air, which can be misused by holding one's breath, causing hypoxia.
There is not an object in the universe I can think of that cannot be misused and cause harm to a person. Therefore crying "DANGER" because something can be misused and cause harm is stupid, arbitrary and meaningless. We need GOOD SENSE to prevail over such garbage claims. This article is an example of scare tactics gone berserk. The author should be ashamed of himself.
Keeping children safe is of paramount importance to any society. And the first and best strategy in protecting a child is COMMON SENSE. Don't leave your e-liquids, medicines, cleaning solutions, matches, sharp objects, etc. where children can reach them. The dangers of any such items are NOT mitigated by fear-mongering, but by ACCURATE information, which leads to knowledge, which - coupled with intelligence - keeps everyone safe.
Anything in your house can kill you if you misuse it.
So, by the author's logic, we'll need government regulation on cotton balls because they can be misused by swallowing, causing suffocation. And pencils, which can be misused by stabbing into one's neck, causing exsanguination. And water, which can be misused by immersion of the head, causing drowning. And air, which can be misused by holding one's breath, causing hypoxia.
There is not an object in the universe I can think of that cannot be misused and cause harm to a person. Therefore crying "DANGER" because something can be misused and cause harm is stupid, arbitrary and meaningless. We need GOOD SENSE to prevail over such garbage claims. This article is an example of scare tactics gone berserk. The author should be ashamed of himself.
Keeping children safe is of paramount importance to any society. And the first and best strategy in protecting a child is COMMON SENSE. Don't leave your e-liquids, medicines, cleaning solutions, matches, sharp objects, etc. where children can reach them. The dangers of any such items are NOT mitigated by fear-mongering, but by ACCURATE information, which leads to knowledge, which - coupled with intelligence - keeps everyone safe.
My brother stabbed me with a pencil in the foot when we were kids. Damm siblings!
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People use it to dilute and make e-juice.
No special license or stuff to get it.
And as far as the other arguments about how the same thing can be said for drain cleaner, and household cleansers, little Johnny doesn't see mommy or daddy pouring Draino into a device and vaping it.
And yes, I am a member of CASAA.
I agree 100% with what you said. But I also believe that posts that say that "nicotine is as safe as caffeine" or something similar are understating the precautions that need to be taken by equating your e-juice to nothing more than a cup of coffee or a Redbull.
Screaming that they are selling "poison by the barrel" and "nicotine is as harmless as caffeine" are two opposites sides of the same spectrum.
There is no "equivalency".
The fact that accidental e-liquid poisonings are occurring at all is a testament that some people refuse to treat these products with the respect they deserve.
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So what's the problem with prosecuting the parents of said children for endangerment when they fail to keep containers marked "keep away from children" away from children??? I have yet to purchase a bottle of e-liquid that does not carry such a warning.
Instead of punishing the masses how about we punish the brainless (insert f bomb) ups that are to lazy to parent their own offspring properly.
Instead of punishing the masses how about we punish the brainless (insert f bomb) ups that are to lazy to parent their own offspring properly.
True. The entire thing is a societal education issue. Either under- or over-playing dangers will not serve to protect anyone. Which is precisely why the author of this article should be ashamed of himself.
And it's true that little Johnny sees mommy and daddy vaping e-liquid, but little Johnny also sees them cutting things with knives, and boiling water on the stove, and cutting wood with a circular saw, and plugging and unplugging electrical wires into the wall, and swallowing pills... But if his parents are taking proper care of little Johnny, then they'll know he won't be doing any of those things because (1) objects which could hurt him will be out of his reach, and (2) they're paying proper attention to Johnny to see first hand that he doesn't get into anything that could hurt him.
"Because it can hurt a child" is not a valid argument for restriction or eradication. Nothing will keep your child safe if you don't use common sense. If you took away everything that could hurt a child, then you'd have to live in an empty box.
BEING A SMART PARENT is what protects children, not restricting or banning everything that can reasonably harm them. So how about instead of restricting or banning e-liquids, we put labels on the bottles saying "Keep out of reach of children and pets"? That makes a lot more sense to me.
I'd already seen the article before this thread was started. Today a co worker sent me a link to it. She's one of those who believe everything they read/hear/see in the media. Sadly most Americans are just as gullible. Other than the cold facts about a airline crash, car wreck or house fire the media hasn't been reporting factual news in a very long time. Instead they have turned from journalism to social engineering determined by the for-profit corporations that own them. For-profit corporations own and operate the US government as well.
Instead of arguing I just emailed her back to read the comments at the end of the article. I don't hold much hope that it swayed her much. I've pretty much given up on this country.
Instead of arguing I just emailed her back to read the comments at the end of the article. I don't hold much hope that it swayed her much. I've pretty much given up on this country.
Quite frankly, I am SO sick of the direction America is headed in. In fact, America is already "there", it is just getting worse and worse. We are treated like a bunch of children. EVERYTHING has to be regulated. EVERYTHING has to be controlled by the federal government. EVERYTHING has to be taxed.
Nicotine is a DRUG, yes. Nicotine belongs in the hands of capable adults, not children, YES. I am all for punishing any store front, or online vendor that sells to children under 18. Beyond that, I think we are capable of doing just fine without holding big brother's hands and fearing nicotine.
The article mentioned nicotine poisoning on the rise due to e-cig usage. WELL OF COURSE. It should be a NO BRAINER. E-cigs just came out around 6 years ago, and each year they are growing exponentially in popularity, so OF COURSE the cases of nicotine poisoning are going to double each year, or come close. 300 some odd cases of nicotine poisoning in the US, out of 300 MILLION people, is not need to fear monger. Hell, life ITSELF is a risk.....but guess what? Intelligent adults know how to MINIMIZE the risk of their activities, and know how to CHOOSE how to live their life.
It isn't our government's job to protect us from OURSELVES. It is our governments job to protect us from foreign and domestic threats...such as other countries, terrorists, gangs, criminals, etc. Let the mature adults make their OWN decisions.
Will there be occasional accidents? OF COURSE. The occasional e-cig blowing up, the occasional nicotine poisoning, it is BOUND to happen. There are accidents with EVERYTHING.
There are FAR more cases of accidental poisoning from bleach and other household chemicals each year, but I don't see alarmist new york times articles about WINDEX. Why not?
Why hasn't the government regulated Windex to the extent they are contemplating regulating eliquid?
Nicotine is a DRUG, yes. Nicotine belongs in the hands of capable adults, not children, YES. I am all for punishing any store front, or online vendor that sells to children under 18. Beyond that, I think we are capable of doing just fine without holding big brother's hands and fearing nicotine.
The article mentioned nicotine poisoning on the rise due to e-cig usage. WELL OF COURSE. It should be a NO BRAINER. E-cigs just came out around 6 years ago, and each year they are growing exponentially in popularity, so OF COURSE the cases of nicotine poisoning are going to double each year, or come close. 300 some odd cases of nicotine poisoning in the US, out of 300 MILLION people, is not need to fear monger. Hell, life ITSELF is a risk.....but guess what? Intelligent adults know how to MINIMIZE the risk of their activities, and know how to CHOOSE how to live their life.
It isn't our government's job to protect us from OURSELVES. It is our governments job to protect us from foreign and domestic threats...such as other countries, terrorists, gangs, criminals, etc. Let the mature adults make their OWN decisions.
Will there be occasional accidents? OF COURSE. The occasional e-cig blowing up, the occasional nicotine poisoning, it is BOUND to happen. There are accidents with EVERYTHING.
There are FAR more cases of accidental poisoning from bleach and other household chemicals each year, but I don't see alarmist new york times articles about WINDEX. Why not?
Why hasn't the government regulated Windex to the extent they are contemplating regulating eliquid?
Because Windex is not a threat to the tax base or corporate profits.
Just seen the article on my yahoo homepage what a joke!.. left me speechless..looks like they'll try anything to get people to have a negative view of e-cigs
I just read the same thing on yahoo and started laughing.
Where's the outcry over cleaning products?
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I'm waiting for the "small child finds sweet, fruity smelling liquid and is hospitalized for drinking" oh wait, it was the fruity flavored alcohol beverage they found on the counter but it's ok since we approve of and encourage drinking as a society. Same hypocrites
I read the article earlier today and thought lots of the incidents could have been avoided like leaving the liquid in reach of children injecting it and falling asleep. It's all common sense and they do have labels and warnings on most bottles it's not just a cool pirate symbol !
In fairness I think the caffeine argument probably has a lot of weight to it and has been twisted by the journalist of that article. Using nicotine in isolation appropriately over a long period of time is not likely to be anymore of a risk to your health or those around you than using caffeine. In spite of what that article says, there is evidence to suggest that nicotine is not very harmful when used appropriately. That doesn't mean the two substances are identical, have identical properties and that the risk in overdose is the same.
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