These people are going to kill themselves

[LDS714]

If this was realistic, all the personal injury lawyers that are riding around in Audi A8 and Jaguars, living in mansions would actually be on welfare. Don't think we'll see that anytime soon...

What a beautiful world it would be.

Law school admissions are extremely low right now. There are literally too many attorneys.

 

[PMVapours]

One vape shop I went to and bought a RDA the seller showed me how to build coils (even though I already read up on the safety and various how-to's) I still figured I'd take the opportunity to learn more. But I've also seen the people that are building low res coils and clearly have no clue to the risks. A friend of mine wanted to start building coils but when I started on the safety side of it before telling him anything he said that's too much to worry about I'll stick to using the protank and evod.

 

[buffaloguy]

There is responsibility and accountability to self, AND there is accountability and responsibility to others. If you only care about yourself and disavow responsibility to/for others then that is lack of empathy, concern, and it is without remorse. This is opposite to common "good moral values".

You cant claim strong moral values when they are mired in narcissism and lack of concern and empathy for others. You can claim 'strong self value' though. Have fun with that.

Its not us that needs to learn how life works. Im sorry, but the world just doesnt work your way although you might believe it does. Its you who needs a different perspective, not the other way around. If you wanna sit sideline in life and only worry about yourself, so be it.

This is what I was talking about in my post the other day. We have two choices on our death bed. We can be surrounded by those that love us and value us for how we impacted their lives, or we can die alone. Those without empathy usually fall in the latter group. Besides, if you only care about yourself... no one is gonna care about you.

Strong moral values INCLUDES a responsibility to your fellow man. Maybe you are a bad ninja... Id prefer to think you are a good one. Maybe.

BTW, Im not saying I am an angel. Im guilty of everything Im saying is wrong. The difference is years growing and self evaluation. Asking, what if?

What if it was my kid, mom, dad, or sibling that was about to blow their hand off? What if I didnt say/do anything? What if I took the time? What if I dont?

Bad ninja, if you can turn your back walking out of a shop after witnessing an owner wrapping a .3 ohm coil on and 18350... and be okay with that decision... then I just dont know what to say. (not saying you would, at least I hope not)

I'm a troll because I advocate being responsible ?
Wow.
Some of you have a lot to learn about how life works.

Legal liability has nothing to do with morality.
Insulting me simply shows a lack of ability to accept a different opinion.

Lastly, accepting responsibility for ones actions is a prime example of strong moral values.
Funny you see it the other way around.

 

[Racehorse]

It's shameful.

What's shameful is listening to you regurgitate memes, catch phrases, and buzz words, repetitively in this topic, while telling others to take responsibility.

accepting responsibility for ones actions is a prime example of strong moral values.

Just like thinking for yourself, and using your own words, is a prime example of intelligence.

 

[Bad Ninja]

What's shameful is listening to you regurgitate memes, catch phrases, and buzz words, repetitively in this topic, while telling others to take responsibility.



Just like thinking for yourself, and using your own words, is a prime example of intelligence.

So not only is accepting responsibity evidence enough to call me a troll, now you are saying my words and opinions aren't my own?
Sorry my friend, my words and position are definitely my own.

Blaming a shop owner, and placing legal responsibility on a store for the mistake you made when tou paid good money to try and be a cool kid?
Is this how you really think?
Wow.
Sign of the times I guess. My generation would have held you responsible
I realize now that concept is lost.

Good luck thinking you can cruise through life, talking risks, ignoring facts, blindly lumbering along.
Carefree in the knowledge that the responsibility of your safety rests on the lap of others.
Is this the person you want to be?
Is this how you want things to work?
Are you scared of taking reaponsibity for you choices?

You need to start on page 1 of this thread to understand my position and the OP.
You have strayed from the OP.

 

[Ed_C]

You know Ninja, in my generation (I'm 56), when I was young, we didn't have the internet. The chances of finding information on something like vaping in the local library would be slim to none. Our only recourse was to hope that we would get good information from the local community businesses. I'm not trying to get on you, but you really seem to have some preconceived ideas about what we all think as your responses have very little to do with what is being said. For example, who was promoting that anyone should "cruise through life, talking risks, ignoring facts, blindly lumbering along"? I really don't understand where you would get that idea and that's certainly nothing that I would promote.

 

[LDS714]

There is a middle ground here.

If someone puts themselves forth as an expert - then they are by default assuming responsibility for their actions, including any information they disseminate.

 

[Bad Ninja]

My posts were in response to "these shops are building .3ohm coils for unsuspecting customers ".
We all know you have to specifically ask, and PAY EXTRA for the "danger".

When ya go out of yer way, and spend extra money for custom built "danger", its on you.
I cant advocate blaming anyone other that the party that asked for it.

56 huh?
I'm 46.
You know, they taught us basic electric theory I'm highschool shop.
I paid attention, and didnt need "google" to understand shorting a battery can cause a problem.
Didn't they go over that stuff in your school?
I'm not getting on ya Ed, but you know I have a point.


I'm not trying to be cold hearted, and I would feel more compassionate without all liability stripped from the person Asking for trouble.

Can't blame shop owners for wvery dumb mistake Vapers ask for.
Some responsibity is on the user.
Keep this up and shops won't be around to blame, and fast tech will take over the world.

You know Ninja, in my generation (I'm 56), when I was young, we didn't have the internet. The chances of finding information on something like vaping in the local library would be slim to none. Our only recourse was to hope that we would get good information from the local community businesses. I'm not trying to get on you, but you really seem to have some preconceived ideas about what we all think as your responses have very little to do with what is being said. For example who was promoting that anyone should "cruise through life, talking risks, ignoring facts, blindly lumbering along"? I really don't understand where you would get that idea and that's certainly nothing that I would promote.

 

[LDS714]

Can't blame shop owners for every dumb mistake Vapers ask for.
Some responsibility is on the user.
Keep this up and shops won't be around to blame, and fast tech will take over the world.

But on the other hand, no responsible engine building shop would send someone out with half of the capacity of oil in the thinnest weight possible just because the customer told them they wanted it to rev higher and more quickly.

Somewhere the line needs to be drawn between ignorance and stupidity. Ignorance can be educated away, stupid just hurts people.

IMHO, if you approach an expert in their field seeking desired results, they should either refuse the service or do it correctly. If they're ignorant of how to do it correctly, they need to be educated. If they're just stupid and think, "I'll take the money and run, this clown will never know the difference" then they need to be smacked down.

 

[Plumes.91]

E-cigs are really getting popular here and no one has any idea what the heck their doing. They buy eGo batteries and rebuildable atomizers and then they have no idea where to get new kanthal or silica. They have no clue what resistance is. They have no clue what the difference between an eGo battery and a bigger battery is. They don't know what the dial on their eGo spinner is for, they think its for a bigger hit and thats it. The don't even know what the hell an eGo is. Literally everyone I've talked to that owns an eGo kit, will fight me to the death if I call it an eGo. They say "Its NOT an eGo!! Idk what the **** your talking about! Its called a volcano!" or "Its called a Sex on the beach e-cig! It isn't an eGo!!" haha. I'm like okay... Its an eGo with a 22mm vivi nova on it. You can't even match the tank size. They use the highest mg nicotine they can find. They keep their spinner dials all the way up no matter what they use and then they complain about it constantly burning. lol. They buy a brand new clearo every time the one they have stops producing vapor. They have no idea what a clearomizer head is. A friend of mine actually confidently told me that he was going to pick up some picture hanging wire from the dollar store he works in to rebuild his atomizer. I said duddee, you cant use picture hanging wire. It needs to be kanthal.

What can we do? Not much. I just tell them they need to join ECF or a forum or a facebook group. Nope, they aren't computer geeks so that is out of the question. Learning stuff? Why would anyone want to do that? I'll stick to burning every clearomizer I put on it, thank you very much.

 

[Ed_C]

My posts were in response to "these shops are building .3ohm coils for unsuspecting customers ".
We all know you have to specifically ask, and PAY EXTRA for the "danger".

When ya go out of yer way, and spend extra money for custom built "danger", its on you.
I cant advocate blaming anyone other that the party that asked for it.

56 huh?
I'm 46.
You know, they taught us basic electric theory I'm highschool shop.
I paid attention, and didnt need "google" to understand shorting a battery can cause a problem.
Didn't they go over that stuff in your school?
I'm not getting on ya Ed, but you know I have a point.


I'm not trying to be cold hearted, and I would feel more compassionate without all liability stripped from the person Asking for trouble.

Can't blame shop owners for wvery dumb mistake Vapers ask for.
Some responsibity is on the user.
Keep this up and shops won't be around to blame, and fast tech will take over the world.

Well in my case, I was a complete loser in high school and learned very little. Fortunately for me, I finally figured out what a fool I had been and had the opportunity to go back to school a few years ago and now I do know something about electric theory from physics class. I do understand that many people are frustrated that so much liability has been placed on businesses and many times this isn't justified. But some times it is. All I have been trying to say is, that it's the right thing for a store to warn their customers of the potential dangers of what they are selling, if what they are selling is inherently dangerous. Should they be legally liable? I would argue that they should be required to give out some minimal warning and if the customer decides to ignore this warning, then it's on them. To quote you, "ome responsibility is on the user", but not all. If it was my shop, I wouldn't be selling pre-built sub-ohm coils to anyone.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Well in my case, I was a complete loser in high school and learned very little. Fortunately for me, I finally figured out what a fool I had been and had the opportunity to go back to school a few years ago and now I do know something about electric theory from physics class. I do understand that many people are frustrated that so much liability has been placed on businesses and many times this isn't justified. But some times it is. All I have been trying to say is, that it's the right thing for a store to warn their customers of the potential dangers of what they are selling, if what they are selling is inherently dangerous. Should they be legally liable? I would argue that they should be required to give out some minimal warning and if the customer decides to ignore this warning, then it's on them. To quote you, "ome responsibility is on the user", but not all. If it was my shop, I wouldn't be selling pre-built sub-ohm coils to anyone.

Whoa there, friend.

When did we start talking about shops pre building sub ohm coils?
you are changing the variables .
RBAs do not come with pre built sub ohm coils.
this entire discussion was about liability after a customer asks (and pays) for a custom coil.



liability would change if the store sold modified equipment without informing the buyer.
obviously.

However, that was not the scenario we are discussing, now is it?

 

[LDS714]

When did we start talking about shops pre building sub ohm coils?

That's kinda how it started...

In my area, with all the kids looking to blow massive clouds, almost everyone just goes to the local vape shops gets a mod and battery (without knowing anything about batteries) has the shop wrap the coils for them and then off they go. They know nothing about the dangers of their builds. The shop always wraps dual coil 3 wraps of 28 (which is like .3-.5ohms usually right?) and these kids just vape till basically the batteries are so low it doesn't actually produce vapor. This is a rant, i apologize, but it just bugs me. Is anyone else experiencing this "fad" in their area

I should also add, as a personal experiment, i went into this same B&M with my mod equipped in 18350 mode. Had them wrap it and... he built the same dual 3 wrap coils (.4 when i tested it back home), and he didn't mention anything about battery safety or limits. He probably doesn't even know!

 

[Ed_C]

Whoa there, friend.

When did we start talking about shops pre building sub ohm coils?
you are changing the variables .
RBAs do not come with pre built sub ohm coils.
this entire discussion was about liability after a customer asks (and pays) for a custom coil.



liability would change if the store sold modified equipment without informing the buyer.
obviously.

However, that was not the scenario we are discussing, now is it?

I guess I don't understand what you meant by "[m]y posts were in response to "these shops are building .3ohm coils for unsuspecting customers ," We all know you have to specifically ask, and PAY EXTRA for the "danger."
I'm guessing that we both think there is some point in which a shop has some liability, but we may disagree exactly where that point should be.

 

[jd1978]

I believe a shop using cloud chasing as a selling point should take a certain amount of liability. I also think that if I walked into a shop and requested a .4 ohm build, then I should be able to purchase such a thing, at my own risk. It is, in my opinion, a very bad idea to hand someone a subohm setup just because they watched a cool YouTube video. Someone like that would not know the risks associated with sub-ohming.

 

[8dragon9]

Wow, im glad that fad isnt really happening here. My local b&m is the opposite, despite my willingness when.I bought my svd to buy a rba and start experimenting they told me to wait untill i knew more about it, got a feel for my kit etc and that they could care less about a sale and just want vapehappy custemors

sent from the s4 of DOOOM

 

[Ed_C]

Wow, im glad that fad isnt really happening here. My local b&m is the opposite, despite my willingness when.I bought my svd to buy a rba and start experimenting they told me to wait untill i knew more about it, got a feel for my kit etc and that they could care less about a sale and just want vapehappy custemors

sent from the s4 of DOOOM

Now that's how a vender should run their business. I'd go back to a place like that.

 

[8dragon9]

I pretty much exclusivly shop there. Hell I bought my svd there, despite better pricing online, for that very same.reason

sent from the s4 of DOOOM

 

[Ahoy]

Wow, im glad that fad isnt really happening here. My local b&m is the opposite, despite my willingness when.I bought my svd to buy a rba and start experimenting they told me to wait untill i knew more about it, got a feel for my kit etc and that they could care less about a sale and just want vapehappy custemors

sent from the s4 of DOOOM

Exactly what my local shop tells everyone. That and they don't sell a mech mod with an rda anymore without requiring the purchase of a 30 amp battery anymore because of teh horror stories. You would be surprised at how many people go into the shop and just want to blow large clouds and don't even give a slight bit of a rats behind about safety. I had a sub ohm coil in the other day and someone who was buying a starter kit wanted to blow big clouds (as i was) and I let him try it and he coughed like crazy (who hasn't done this before to someone lol) and I think that alone turned him off but then the owner talked with him about it and convinced him to just make sure he liked vaping before taking a plunge deeper into it.

 

[Mutescream]

Should there be warnings for the more advanced gear? Sure. However, the response to their not having them isn't going to be a warning, like there is on cigarettes. Not unless the industry grows a bit faster than it currently is. It will be the ban that the tobacco and phrama industries are pushing for. I would think the smart move would be to push for warnings to be placed on these types of gear, esp gear that requires building your own coils, and mech mod batteries... It would make more sense than waiting for the essentially inevitable ban that will result from not being proactive.

Let's face it, the education our children are getting is not even as good as the mediocre one that we got as children.