These people are going to kill themselves

[Bad Ninja]

Bad analogy.
A "racing crankshaft" would be a really durable forged steel crank.
Would have nothing to do with blowing an engine, in fact it would make it more dependable and maybe better gas mileage.

 

[destinkarette]

Only a fool would jump into anything like this without educating themselves.It is not the publics responsibility to cover the asses of the foolish
You trying to put the legal profession out of work Bad Ninja?
I am all for letting the dumb ones off themselves as long as they don't take innocents with them. That being sait sombody somwhere decided that it is the publics duty to protect them from themselves and we all get to pay the price.
Ok, getting off soapbox now...

 

[emus]

Bad analogy.
A "racing crankshaft" would be a really durable forged steel crank.
Would have nothing to do with blowing an engine, in fact it would make it more dependable and maybe better gas mileage.

Good analogy. A sub-ohm cloud chaser w/ a high performance safe chemistry batt may be safer than a supra-ohm vaper with an unknown chemistry, unknown quality, unknown manufacturer batt.

 

[emus]

Only a fool would jump into anything like this without educating themselves.It is not the publics responsibility to cover the asses of the foolish
You trying to put the legal profession out of work Bad Ninja?
I am all for letting the dumb ones off themselves as long as they don't take innocents with them. That being sait sombody somwhere decided that it is the publics duty to protect them from themselves and we all get to pay the price.
Ok, getting off soapbox now...

Only a fool would light a cancer stick.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Only a fool would light a cancer stick.

And if you burn your car seat with it, Marlboro doesn't have to pay.
If you burn your finger with the lighter, it isn't BiC's fault.

Take responsibility for your own actions and demand others do the same.
You all know right from wrong, start acting like it.

Edited to add: above is an abstract reference .
I am not referring to emus.

 

[emus]

And if you burn your car seat with it, Marlboro doesn't have to pay.
If you burn your finger with the lighter, it isn't BiC's fault.

Take responsibility for your own actions and demand others do the same.
You all know right from wrong, start acting like it.

Edited to add: above is an abstract reference .
I am not referring to emus.

Concur.

I wasn't referring to Bad Ninja either...I skimmed your response and recalled people do many foolish things...smoking is high on that list.

 

[evgeny131]

i had a friend that got into vaping come back from a local b & m with a igo dripper coiled to 0.3ohms on a weird cheap chinese wooden mod, with the wrapping cut off the bottom of an mnke "to make it fit" according to the shop employee....my friend came to me wondering why the button "was always getting hot- he couldn't vape for very long"......
talk about stupidity....
a local chain of b & m stores in LA will NOT wrap under 1ohm in store....i think that's smart!

 

[buffaloguy]

I think we should all take a step back and realize the truth of the matter here is that we need to look out for each other. Shop owner, customer, educated, or uneducated. Everyone is at fault in this. The only ones that escape blame are those that realize, ignorance breeds stupidity AND say or do something productive to eliminate that ignorance.

Our selfishness, narcissism, and lack of empathy for others is getting worse in this world everyday. The whole "I want it now because I have money so Im entitled to it" attitude is what is to blame. Some people in this thread are actually ROOTING for uneducated people to blow their face off andit disgusts me. All it takes is a conversation with those shop owners, or customers if you know them. "Are you sure you're coil is safe with the battery you use?" And if they cant explain why it is or isnt we need to have the empathy and compassion to help them BEFORE they hurt themselves, or others.

Take a step back folks and realize that if you see this kind of thing happening, speak up. I for one, do not want to be the one who could have prevented someone losing their hand of face because I was too selfish with my time or knowledge to say something.

Would you let someone you love blow their face off because its "natural selection". No! So why would you let the loved one of someone else do it if you could stop it before it happens? Thats someone elses kid or parent.

If you know of a shop like this, go there and educate. You are just as responsible for their ignorance if you dont.

We have a responsibility to each other on this planet and although its an altruistic vision, its a better one. Lets all stop being self centered narcissists that only care about ourselves. Please.

(this is not directed at anyone particular but rather those that dont realize how little they care about others)

 

[CloudZ]

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[Bad Ninja]

For the most part I agree.
Shops should, as a courtesy, inform buyers.
I do not agree that liabity rest on the shop.

People need to be responsible for their own actions.

I do not agree with holding a grown-... adult's hand.
They become dependent on your guidance and blame you for not making them an expert.
I cannot tolerate people who use deliberate ignorance as a crutch.

The dumbing down of society and the lack of responsibity needs to stop.

 

[Mutescream]

My high school, back in the '70s, had a fantastic in-school electronics program. First, a half year course in basic electronics. Then, 2 years of advanced electronics and each class was 2 periods long. I took them all and did very well.

Then forgot just about everything except how to safely use a meter and zero it out -- lucky me that's about all I need for rebuilding my Kanger heads. We're talking tubes and transistors back then. Used to build our own cheap synthesizers, Radio Shack owned me.

Where are such classes today? It was the suburbs, our town wasn't rich. But we had tons of resources in school back then. If you wanted to be a motorhead or a face painter, you could be bussed to a trade school for half the day.

Heard about a school that got all these brand new donated computers, but the principal and teachers don't want to use them because they are so sure the kids will break and steal them in a day. Pathetic.

There are no jobs in electronics anymore. As a trained electronics tech with over 10 years of experience, I cannot find a job in the field... We don't actually do any component level repair, and you only need to know so much to hook it up to an automated test set that tells you which card to replace. So, they don't teach the skill anymore. We are only taught as much as they need to teach us to do the jobs they want us to do. Don't even get me started on the revisionism in history, and how ridiculously weak the curriculum on the English language is... They don't even teach children reasonably decent handwriting anymore...

 

[Bad Ninja]

There are no jobs in electronics anymore. As a trained electronics tech with over 10 years of experience, I cannot find a job in the field... We don't actually do any component level repair, and you only need to know so much to hook it up to an automated test set that tells you which card to replace. So, they don't teach the skill anymore. We are only taught as much as they need to teach us to do the jobs they want us to do. Don't even get me started on the revisionism in history, and how ridiculously weak the curriculum on the English language is... They don't even teach children reasonably decent handwriting anymore...

Ya the educational system is broken.
I have a gifted son and we have to home school him.
The state would have him slow down so the rest of the class can catch up.
He's 9 and finishing 5th grade this year.

Teachers don't teach any more.
Principals are more concerned with money than education.

The dumbing down of the American people is why we are so screwed up right now.
They are to uneducated to see the bs being fed to them.

 

[Jay-dub]

While true, none of the companies in the context of the OP are large enough to influence any courts.
Most shops are mom and pop sized.

My advice:
Put a big sign up that says "use at own risk".

Then let the thinning of the herd commence.


Ignorance of reality is no excuse.

You act as if posting some words works like a magical spell that absolves the poster of responsibility. It's not a realistic perspective. People with "Beware of Dog" signs don't get sued if someone wanders into the yard and gets mauled? People wouldn't need to put fences around swimming pools either. They can just pop in a yard sign that says "Not responsible for drownings" and any man, woman or child, regardless of mental faculties, can drown in the pool with zero recourse because of words on a sign.

Let's say you are taking shortcuts. You're not maintaining the skating rink you own or something. You can just put up a sign that says "skate here at your own risk" and if poor floor conditions lead to an injury it's all good? No recourse by the injured to go after you for taking shortcuts on maintenance because you put up a sign? Let's say you know that the time to brew coffee is relative to the heat of the water and in order to save some time you heat up the water to knowingly dangerous levels. You're not gambling with someone else's health and safety in order to maximize profits? Shouldn't such a strategy include some risk to the company not just only the customer?

 

[zoiDman]

...

Teachers don't teach any more.
Principals are more concerned with money than education.

...

I really Don't Like this type of Generalization when it come to Educators.

Teachers on the K ~ 12 Level are asked to provide the Same Level of Instruction as they once did to Larger and Larger classroom sizes. And Year after Year Administrators have to Provide an Educational Environment to a Growing student base with Less and Less Funding.

It is Easy to Place the Blame on Teachers when Overall Test Scores start to Decrease. And say that they are Not Doing their Job anymore. But did we give them what they Needed to be Effective like Reasonable Classroom Sizes? Or the Ability to Hold a Student Back when they can't do Basic Math?

Or did we pack them into Classrooms like Cattle? And have to Pass a Student alone Every Year whether or Not He/She Learned anything?

 

[Jay-dub]

I really Don't Like this type of Generalization when it come to Educators.

Teachers on the K ~ 12 Level are asked to provide the Same Level of Instruction as they once did to Larger and Larger classroom sizes. And Year after Year Administrators have to Provide an Educational Environment to a Growing student base with Less and Less Funding.

It is Easy to Place the Blame on Teachers when Overall Test Scores start to Decrease. And say that they are Not Doing their Job anymore. But did we give them what they Needed to be Effective like Reasonable Classroom Sizes? Or the Ability to Hold a Student Back when they can't do Basic Math?

Or did we pack them into Classrooms like Cattle? And have to Pass a Student alone Every Year whether or Not He/She Learned anything?

Kind of weird that non-teaching positions, like administrators and consultants, continue to get a bigger piece of the pie that goes towards education. I mean, no one ever blames the chain of command. It's the grunts that mess everything up. Those greedy teachers with their disproportionately stagnate wages and over-sized classrooms are the problem. Not the administrators trying to maximize gains for a larger end-of-the-year bonus.

 

[zoiDman]

Kind of weird that non-teaching positions, like administrators and consultants, continue to get a bigger piece of the pie that goes towards education. I mean, no one ever blames the chain of command. It's the grunts that mess everything up. Those greedy teachers with their disproportionately stagnate wages and over-sized classrooms are the problem. Not the administrators trying to maximize gains for a larger end-of-the-year bonus.

Yeah... Those on the Front Lines Bare the Brunt when things don't turn out as people would like.

We like to draw a box around a Singular Item and then stand back and say... "There's the Problem.". Teachers are No Exception.

 

[retired1]

Let's watch the language folks. Even attempting to evade the forum filters is against the rules.

 

[Bad Ninja]

I really Don't Like this type of Generalization when it come to Educators.

Teachers on the K ~ 12 Level are asked to provide the Same Level of Instruction as they once did to Larger and Larger classroom sizes. And Year after Year Administrators have to Provide an Educational Environment to a Growing student base with Less and Less Funding.

It is Easy to Place the Blame on Teachers when Overall Test Scores start to Decrease. And say that they are Not Doing their Job anymore. But did we give them what they Needed to be Effective like Reasonable Classroom Sizes? Or the Ability to Hold a Student Back when they can't do Basic Math?

Or did we pack them into Classrooms like Cattle? And have to Pass a Student alone Every Year whether or Not He/She Learned anything?

Did you miss the part about the budget?

And I'm not generalizing.
Teachers are follow the set curriculum, testing guidelines etc.
That is their job.


Look at the standard curriculum in most Schools Following it to the letter is a far cry from being an educator.

After raising 5 children (well, 4 one is still being raised) I know a thing or two about the system.

 

[amp79423]

I'll throw this out there for what it's worth. These analogies about cars killing people when someone does something stupid or bad food making people fat just aren't applicable. Everyone knows or should know that fast cars can be dangerous if you don't know what you're doing. Everybody knows that supersizing your value meal at McDonalds is going to pack on the pounds in a hurry. What many of us who have vaped for a while and frequent forums like this don't know understand is that the general public doesn't realize that these batteries can be dangerous if used improperly. Most people are somewhat familiar with different rechargeable batteries, like the ones in our cell phones and laptops. We don't have to worry, for the most part, about leaving them plugged in overnight or them exploding on us. Most regular people don't realize that a sub-ohm coil on an unregulated mod can be dangerous - they just think these batteries are like anything else. They have no reason to know better and have placed trust in the people selling them. Whether that trust is misplaced is a different situation altogether. I definitely believe that shop owners have a duty to educate a little, warn of the potential danger, and certainly not build or contribute to building a setup that is unsafe. After that, the consumer is at a point where he/she should recognize the danger and the responsibility lies with them.


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[zoiDman]

...

After raising 5 children (well, 4 one is still being raised) I know a thing or two about the system.

You would be Amazed how many People have told me this or Something Very Similar.

LOL