They really screw ya if you don't DIY juice.

[boomerdude]

A.re you serious? A couple of hours a day? Maybe you haven't noticed some popular vendors have to shut down periodically because there are not enough hours a day to keep up with demand. Also, try finding an experienced mixer to hire. I spend 5 hours a day on DIY and nothing I come up with comes close to a premium e-juice. Do you have any idea what liability insurance cost a vendor? How about how much it cost to have a lab certify the molecules vendors use in mixing? If you think juice is expensive now, wait until the Granny Government Revenoors start regulating the industry. Clean rooms, sterile mixing equipment, certified chemist, etc

The only vendors that would be able to stay in business would be Big Tobacco and/or Pharma.


Even after small buisness tax, it's still enough in many parts of the US to pay mortgage on a nice home and have money left over from an hour or two a day mixing juice. They mix like 3 ingredients with a dummy calculator. That's selling at only $10 per 30ml.

Suit yourself.[/QUOTE]

 

[BakuPeg]

I wouldn't call it screwing.

Time is Invested in many things in ones life. DIY takes quite a bit of time, experimentation, bottles, lables, writing countless formulas in notepads. If someone choose to save a few pennies/bucks and DIY's then the more power to them. If someone finds a juice they LOVE TO BITS, why waste the time on DIY when they can just buy from a vendor who makes it for them. The vendor is a small businessperson and they give you their labor and you give them money. In a few days/weeks time you get a package and you contribute to the vaping community and the U.S. Economy.

Same with cooking. Why goto olive garden when you can just buy pasta/chicken/salad dressing at home? Put it together. Yes its much cheaper. But you don't go out to eat at Olive Garden to save money on your chicken pasta salad. You want to sit down, eat and enjoy the experience. CAN you be an awsome cook and make a better salad at home? YES. All a matter of choice and perspective.

Vape and be Happy

 

[frankfennel]

GL insurance isn't much, could probably fit into the deduction of $10 a day from the $180 profit selling only thirty 30ml bottles at $10 ea.
If they get sued, that's a different story and obviously a very rare case.

If a vendor's so popular they have to shut down to keep up w/ orders, they're probably making bank, six figures from any part of the country/world. Good for them.

Yes, I'm serious, thirty different 30ml juices mixed and put in addressed boxes/padded envelopes in about an hour and fifteen if they're quick.

 

[oh u mad]

i can't imagine how much avejuice.com is making with BB/gorilla juice... i bet they're nearly millionaires now.

 

[cherrycakes]

Yes, I'm serious, thirty different 30ml juices mixed and put in addressed boxes/padded envelopes in about an hour if they're quick.

ok now you're just being ridiculous

 

[gthompson]

I'm not trying to argue anymore. Just pointing out that $15 or more for a 30ml is a lot.

It's a lot to YOU. It's pocket change to me. See how that works?

 

[frankfennel]

"Same with cooking. Why goto olive garden when you can just buy pasta/chicken/salad dressing at home? Put it together. Yes its much cheaper. But you don't go out to eat at Olive Garden to save money on your chicken pasta salad. You want to sit down, eat and enjoy the experience. CAN you be an awsome cook and make a better salad at home? YES. All a matter of choice and perspective."

The main benefit I see from eating out is lots of different ingredients (which actually isn't as good for digestion as a 'mono meal', but anyway). Most people probably don't have a small amount of many fresh ingredients that wouldn't go bad, IOW a chinese stir fry with all different things that if you bought seperatly would cost a lot more and you'd end up with tons of unused food that wouldn't stay fresh for long. If you want to vape all types of different juice and not stick to a staple of about 5, you can still sell or trade the leftover extracts or ones you don't like.

ok I edited to 30mls processed in about an hour and fifteen minutes instead of just an hour.

Thread nearing locked status.
$17 for a 30ml? no thanks.

 

[junkman]

I am getting into DIY just to be secure should FDA try to screw us. Otherwise, I could stick with 50ml bottles of Dekang from madvapes at $11 before coupons or sales. Shipping is free if you order enough. If I found a great juice there cost more I would pay it. Nice to have options.

 

[mmikee]

Your a hard headed buggar aren't you ? To each his own.....

 

[gthompson]

Your a hard headed buggar aren't you ? To each his own.....

Some people enjoy being asses.

 

[NamVet68]

Well, obviously Mr Fennel, you've never run a small business. I'm afraid you really don't have a clue about whats involved.

Here's a suggestion; since you seem to think that we're all being "screwed" by all these juice vendors - go ahead and do your own start-up & you can be a millionaire too!

BTW - unless you have a sizable chunk of change burning a hole in your pocket, try going to a bank (or some investors) and beg for some seed money to get you going....of course they will want a business plan, some Lawyers to write up contracts, declarations for percentage of profit over time... licenses to sell retail.....Insurance, Lining up a Tax Attorney (oh yeah..you will be paying QUARTERLY taxes my friend) etc, etc, etc...you know, just a few small details and then you can go out and buy your Ferrari in six months......

Sorry...been there, done that a few times, and believe me, its no fun at all.....
/rant off

 

[serenity21899]

People got riled up because the OP worded their post in such a way that it seems like the vendors are doing something wrong. They need to pay their bills and feed their kids, too. If the price were unreasonable, we wouldn't buy the stuff.

My cautions were given more for the newcomers to DIY. Although you can use the darkhood method of DIY, which is fine, you do need to know what you are doing for your own safety.

Half the fun of vaping is exploring the many choices we have.

 

[Txrider]

Qick general calculation found making 12mg 30ml bottles with organic flavors would cost about $4 and that's not even using bulk gallons of base to save more.

Vendors sell 30mls for like $15 plus shipping.

Pretty sure you can also legally grow some tobacco in most places, soak the leaves in base, have to be fresh leaves, can't just soak dried tobacco, but that still might work, and be very careful if you use nicotine base, it's no joke, can kill a person with just a sip or too much soaked into hands or skin. Boil it down, get a nicotine tester and make your own nicotine base for cheap (although DIY nic base is pretty cheap and easy).

Better to store in glass bottles almost no juice vendor offers. glass bottles with poly cone lids are only like $5 for 10.

I don't see it that way. If a $15 30ml bottle last me a week, 7 days, that's 4.2ml a day, or two tanks in my mini nova a day, that's only $2.14 a day, vs say $7 a day for a pack a day habit or $15 a day for 2 pacck a day habit.. Seems pretty cheap to me.

I can and do get it cheaper though, but I'm not going to sound off about getting screwed when I'm still saving so much cash over smoking that I spent for 40 years.

 

[cherrycakes]

I just wanted to say that I'm pleased we are now referring to it as "the darkhood method" xD

 

[eratikmind]

Obviously, DIY is more practical, if you are of that mind.

Vendors have overhead and many expenses. As such, they are in business to make a profit. As consumers, we shop around for what suits our abilities and needs.

 

[DJ RyckRak]

I DIY ejuice for me, since I'm the only one Vaping around here.
I like to do things myself, to learn about new things, be more self reliant and so I am not beholden to other people.
Is it easy...for me and what I make- yes. Do I save money...yes. Would I recommend it...depends on the person asking.
Is it for everyone...no. Would I make some for you....no. Would I do it for a living...no, no, no !

If you think you have the ability to make juice for yourself, and that you are going to save a bunch of money...go ahead and try.
If you think starting and operating ANY business is easy...you have just shown that you have never owned a business !
I have owned several, and I know...it is not free, not easy and just like ejuice...there are no guarantees of success...in fact- the odds are against you.

 

[Scoop224]

I'm learning DIY and storing nic base for the time I might not be able to buy juice online. For now I have some favorite flavors from a good vendor with good prices and cust service. If the need ever arises to do DIY exclusively, I'm set.... For now I'll support the industry.

 

[frankfennel]

I ran a sole proprietorship as a sub contractor and it was a lot of paper work and stuff at first that I didn't expect but it becomes second nature and I did a great job and rarely made errors. It just didn't work out because the company I subbed for screwed the hell out of everyone and was only in for short-term and moved back across the country..

Every industry's different. E cig vending or just internet sales for that matter seems fairly simple - buy bulk from alibaba/the manufacturer, upload info and photos to a website you paid someone to make at a highly competitive rate, set up a merchant account and get insurance to register the business to pay tax. Sell things, mail them.
Not a huge amount needed for start up if you know what's selling good, we're not talking bank loans and investors or '...be a millionaire too!".

I'm considering it.

 

[Crash Moses]

for god's sake, the op is entitled to his opinion.

That being said yes you can save a ton of money by making your own
but there are some vendors I love too much to give up entirely.

And we're entitled to ours. Suggesting that charging a fair price for services rendered equates to "getting screwed" is a little hyperbolic.

 

[Dant]

...E cig vending or just internet sales for that matter seems fairly simple - buy bulk from alibaba/the manufacturer, upload info and photos to a website you paid someone to make at a highly competitive rate, set up a merchant account and get insurance to register the business to pay tax. Sell things, mail them.
Not a huge amount needed for start up if you know what's selling good, we're not talking bank loans and investors or '...be a millionaire too!".

I'm considering it.

You should do it! Follow your dream!