This is not good (my two cents)

[dedmonwakin]

Although I share the opinion of the OP. I have tested the waters of vaping in non-smoking areas, simply to see what reaction I get, not because it was to quench a nic fit.

I tried at Walmart. Actually went better than I thought. At first, it drew much attention. For the longest, I believed no one actually watched security cams, since I've seen plenty of people steal and walk right out of the store. Me on the other hand, I vaped for about 3 minutes and had a swarm of security surround me to educate me about smoking in public places in Florida and Federal laws. (I suppose they thought I was a tourist...dunno)

I abruptly stopped them, and showed them the blue light while stating that it wasn't an actual cigarette and that I wasn't burning tabacco. Well, a couple of them heard about it on the news and were intrigued to see it up close. Security guy says."Oh, that's that thing made by some China ..... in China........" I'm thinking, <Only an idiot could achieve the most idiotic form of redundancy and racial insult in one sentence.> I explained a little bit more and answered some questions, while the wife was getting irritated, because I welcomed an unwanted amount of attention that was embarrassing for her and I.

Anyway, I was clear for a go. They said to just make sure I tell other employees and passersby the same as I told them if they have concerns while I vape in the store.

Well, to be honest, I haven't vaped at Walmart since. Not because it was a little embarrassing, but the rebelliousness went away and my curiosity has been tamed by granted permission. Kind of like telling a kid no, it encourages the opposite on most occasion.

Now, I have been told to put away my PV at the most unexpected place, that I assumed would be okay. The Chinese restaurant!

I assumed that since this device was made and used in China long before we ever heard about it in the states, the employees of the Chinese restaurant would understand. Hell, most of them spoke very little English (yes they were Chinese, I know my Chinese since I am part Chinese and Thai) so, again. I assumed they must have been in the Mainland long enough to see these......

HELL NO! They didn't care, they nearly jumped down my throat! At first I was insulted, but had no right to be since I should have asked first. (Also made me wonder, "What the hell do they know that we don't know?")

We have a right to vape or choose our pleasure. But really, we do get desires and rights confused. When in places outside of our homes, courtesy should be granted as if we stepped in someone else's house. You don't just prop your feet up on someone else's coffee table do you?

Here's my analogy...take it for what it's worth.

vaping and Analogs are very much like a whoopie cushion and a fart.

Both are not well received when heard, but one is less offensive once revealed.

So, out of courtesy to others, educate them before hand.

 

[Ryle]

I know this thread has been around for a while but I just took the time to read it and I have to say; I'm astounded at how many vapers there are out there that allow themselves to be vilified by their vaping and confined to the smoking areas as if they had never quit. I personally refuse to go back to the smoking areas, ever. Even if they ban PV's I will not return to such exile. I quit smoking because of the smell, it would be 100% counter productive for me to go hide in the smoking areas to prevent offending the delicate sensibilities of an individual with the IQ of a rock. No thank you. If people don't like my vaping they can avoid me, they can leave, I'm not harming anyone and will not be pushed around, pushed aside, vilified, or victimized by their lack of comprehensive abilities. I went to smoking areas as a smoker because I understood there was a health risk for non smokers. Until someone shows me cold hard evidence that my 2nd hand vape is harmful/deadly to bystanders I'm more likely to blow vape in their face than walk away from them. I say .... those that choose to remain ignorant.

That being said, I have yet to receive total opposition to my PV, annoyance - yes, ignorance - of course, a willingness to be educated - 100% and thus far I have yet to encounter a situation where I am required to tell someone exactly where I feel they are entitled to place their opinion. But rest assured that when that day comes, and I'm sure it eventually will, I am more than prepared to tell those extremist antis exactly where to stick it and will go as far as to give then anatomical directions as to how to reach the proper orifice to store such ideals.

Those of you that wish to hide it, it's within your right and I have no issues with you believing as you wish. But don't expect all of us to feel the same way. You pushing your opinion on others as to HOW we should vape is just as bad as the Antis pushing their opinions as to WHERE we should vape, or IF we should vape.

OK...I'm done now, I'm sure I've offended enough people for one post.

 

[CheeMiss]

" I'm thinking, <Only an idiot could achieve the most idiotic form of redundancy and racial insult in one sentence.>

Here's my analogy...take it for what it's worth.

Vaping and Analogs are very much like a whoopie cushion and a fart.

Both are not well received when heard, but one is less offensive once revealed.

So, out of courtesy to others, educate them before hand.

You are so very funny.....ever consider stand up comedy!

 

[CheeMiss]

OK...I'm done now, I'm sure I've offended enough people for one post.

Feel better now?....... You are absolutely right!

Me, the words "Ontario's full of Nazi's" has slipped out of my mouth at the produce store check out counter last week. "Time to Move!" Cashier agrees with me, stating that she is going back to China next mth, because she too thinks there's to much Nazism here. The lady behind me in line, aghast at what she's hearing, repeats our words verbatim. I turn to her and say.....now YOU want to infringe on my right to freedom of speech. Her mouth dropped, stunned look on her face......PRICELESS!

I get such a kick out of our neighborhood......and it truly is a cosmopolitan community neighborhood. I just love it. Most of the store owners know me and get such a kick out of my off the wall comedy act. The customers, well that's another story. lolololol But at least I get to make my point. Yep, nobody bothers me. They wouldn't dare!

Toronto was always annal, but now it just is plain ridiculous. You CAN stand on a corner selling ......., with no threat of jail sentence, (last year, according to my local MP office quote: "We don't want to jail them, we want to deal with them out of a position of Love. So & so is in Parliament as we speak on this specific matter." WTF is that???

But you can't lite up a cig in public places because of threat of jail or huge fine or a Nazi attack.......Hello, is it just me, or is there something really wrong with this picture. hmmmm, I wonder who's booty the drug lords are filling! Twilight Zone or what!

E-cigs rock! And I will vape and vape and vape until the Nazi's get their own life.

 

[Kate51]

I think it's best to use analog etiquitte and ask those around you if they mind before you vape.

Amen, if in doubt, don't do it, my theory is when in Rome.......People sometimes find that proving a point is mostly met with disdain when you push it in people's faces. There is an art to being discreet, practice it by all means.
This isn't about you, or your assumed rights, it's about putting the best light on you and your PV. However, due to the negative reference to "cigarette" in the "e-cigarette", we have been lumped into the same class as "smokers", which brings me again to the point that we don't want to be pushed outside with the second-hand smoke of smokers! What we have to keep assuring folks is that this is "clean" and "personal" use of nicotine, it is not the same a smoking, thank you! I will not hurt you with my vapor trail! Start teaching folks that this is "New Technology for Cigarette Replacement!"

 

[Ryle]

Feel better now?....... You are absolutely right! .......

Yes I do, thank you . I just get very frustrated when people talk about freedom of this that or the other thing one moment and then the next you find them talking about how we should respect other's sensibilities and BS. That sort of goes hand in hand with the "no child left behind" or the "everyone's special" BS that's being fed around our country. It all translates to "Cater to the weak at the expense of the strong" and you don't EVEN want me started on that subject.. I won't shut up for a week

Amen, if in doubt, don't do it, my theory is when in Rome.......

That's the same line of logic that people use when saying we should all breed into one shade of gray.. Conformism... not my style. When in Rome.. I'll do exactly how I do when not in Rome. Why do people have such issues being who they are? Do what you want people, as long as you're not hurting or controlling someone else there's nothing wrong with it. If someone gets offended.. that's their own problem to deal with.

Freedom means the ability to be Free as long as you don't harm anyone or infringe on anyone else's ability to be free. Not the the ability to be free as long as you follow these 5million rules that some .....** you've never even met decides he's going to lay down.

Once again I will desist..... before I pop off something that gets me into trouble.

 

[Kate51]

Yes I do, thank you . I just get very frustrated when people talk about freedom of this that or the other thing one moment and then the next you find them talking about how we should respect other's sensibilities and BS. That sort of goes hand in hand with the "no child left behind" or the "everyone's special" BS that's being fed around our country. It all translates to "Cater to the weak at the expense of the strong" and you don't EVEN want me started on that subject.. I won't shut up for a week



That's the same line of logic that people use when saying we should all breed into one shade of gray.. Conformism... not my style. When in Rome.. I'll do exactly how I do when not in Rome. Why do people have such issues being who they are? Do what you want people, as long as you're not hurting or controlling someone else there's nothing wrong with it. If someone gets offended.. that's their own problem to deal with.

Freedom means the ability to be Free as long as you don't harm anyone or infringe on anyone else's ability to be free. Not the the ability to be free as long as you follow these 5million rules that some .....** you've never even met decides he's going to lay down.

Once again I will desist..... before I pop off something that gets me into trouble.

If you want to quote me, then use the quote to the point I made. That is, no one wants things shoved into their face. Work around to the point of standing your ground without shoving someone else into a hole. That is called tactfulness. No Jack@@s made up that rule. Give yourself a little more dignity, it is much more attractive. IMHO

 

[Ryle]

If you want to quote me, then use the quote to the point I made. That is, no one wants things shoved into their face. Work around to the point of standing your ground without shoving someone else into a hole. That is called tactfulness. No Jack@@s made up that rule. Give yourself a little more dignity, it is much more attractive. IMHO

I only quoted that part because it was the only part that I was responding to. I cut your quote in the interest in saving space. Beyond that.. I shove nothing in nobody's face, they do it to themselves by butting into my business. I do what I want, when I want, regardless of who's feelings may or may not be affected. I could truly care less about the thin-skinned brainless ...... that constitute the majority of this planet's population.

If I'm walking through a store vaping I'm neither harming, insulting, controlling, or in any other way affecting another person. If they choose to come harassing me they're causing themselves needless grief. That's not shoving someone into a hole. In the same breath I refuse to have myself shoved into a hole of forcing myself to reconsider my own actions because someone else may get their little feelers hurt. If they're hurt that easily they should live in a little plastic bubble or otherwise avoid those like me.

The line of logic you seem to be projecting suggests that I shouldn't dye my hair for fear of offending someone that dislikes that particular color, maybe I should wear plain brown contacts so that I don't offend someone that dislikes blue eyes? Should I also only wear a skirt for fear of offending an old timer that still believes women shouldn't wear pants? How about I convert to Christianity, Catholicism, Buddhism, or any other religion for fear of offending someone that dislikes atheism? Or how about I have a sex change for fear of offending sexist men? Or should I stay at home in the kitchen "in my place" because some man believes that's where a woman belongs?

ALL points are the same to me. In all cases someone is trying to control or change who I choose to be because it may offend their sensibilities. F-That. I'll be me, whatever that entails. If I want to wear my shirt that says ".... you you F*cking ...." then I'll wear it. If it offends you.. DON'T READ IT. If someone doesn't like the fact that I'm 10lbs over what the CDC says that I should be.. they can look the other way. If I decide to dye my hair every color of the rainbow at once and someone doesn't like it.. they can look the other way. If I decide to vape in the corner of a restaurant minding my own business, if someone doesn't like it they can look away, move, or leave. I will not be put out by communists that think we should all conform to one mold and be identical. I am what I am and refuse to change for anyone. I am inflexible and unwavering in this point.

People that dislike the way that I am are free to avoid me and I will never make an attempt to force their hand or disrespect that choice. But if someone thinks they have the right to tell me what to do, that is when I have a problem with it and am more than happy to stand up and state my beliefs because the reality is.. There's nothing they can do to change it.

As for... " Give yourself a little more dignity, it is much more attractive. IMHO"

dig⋅ni⋅ty

–noun, plural -ties. 1. bearing, conduct, or speech indicative of self-respect
2. nobility or elevation of character; worthiness: dignity of sentiments. 3. elevated rank, office, station, etc. 4. relative standing; rank.
AKA- Self respect or Pride... I would think that my actions, words, and stance show that I have more than enough dignity and self respect (some might even go as far as to call me cocky or egotistical) so my first point is you comment there made little to no sense which leads me to believe you lack proper understanding of the true definition of the word (hits the posting of the definition)

Beyond that, I could care less who finds me attractive and who doesn't. But I would think I've made that perspective more than clear.


For the record, to clarify what I assume many may be thinking. I do not intend for my posts to be offensive or argumentative and if they come across that way it is purely coincidental.

 

[Kate51]

Ryle,
This is a good example how a completely innocent Thread posted by Jim Davis can become completely foul. Perhaps my word "dignity" was a bad choice. Perhaps "tolerance" would have been a better one. As per your definition, "elevated rank" somehow doesn't fit you as well.

 

[Ryle]

Tolerance probably would have been a better word to use and I'll agree that I have issues with tolerance. Am I going to work on that? .. Not likely, I like myself exactly as I am.

"As per your definition, "elevated rank" somehow doesn't fit you as well."

I didn't say that part did. I simply copied the definition of the word and addressed the points that applied. I get the feeling you have a tendency to take things out of the intended context.

"This is a good example how a completely innocent Thread posted by Jim Davis can become completely foul."

I wouldn't exactly call it a "completely innocent thread" seeing as the OP (to a lesser extent) and multiple other posts suggest that we should be hiding out with the smokers as if we're doing something wrong.

I also wouldn't call it "completely foul" either. I would think that portion of your comment comes from an acceptance that my point has been made and you've recognized your lack of ability to sway my perspective.

Finally, I would never call a debate on beliefs innocent or foul, it is what it is and to take such a thing personally would be yet another example of thin skinned people believing the world should tiptoe on eggshells just for them.

I do hope that you haven't taken any point of our exchange personally it was never intended as such.

Either way...it is what it is.

 

[CheeMiss]

Wow, I go to the hospital for blood work and guess what....I vaped! 8-o

Yep, I did exactly what I did when I was in Rome, Italy back in 1972....I smiled, I chatted. (Back then I wore a micro mini skirt into the Vatican...and was ordered to put on a robe! Now that was a fiasco. lololol) I was pretty much my usual friendly self. And then I vaped! Yep, I vaped in the hospital toooooday!

The man in the next cubicle to me jumped up all excited and asked rather gleefully "is that an e-cig?" He was so excited and wanted to see it me vape again. Now he's the one explaining to the persons taking blood and to the others waiting their turn, what it is and for me to vape again and again. I vaped so much I got all dizzy!

Sweet, Real Sweet......everyone loved it.

 

[dedmonwakin]

See Ryle...never a short post.......lol! You win, you win!

 

[Kate51]

Ryle,
I don't come here to debate anyone. I made a statement and you decided to tear it apart a little out of context to make a point of your own. My skin isn't any thinner than anyone else's, my head isn't any thicker. I pay my dues here like everyone else should, and would just like to enjoy the Forum like everyone does.
If you want to challenge someone to debate, put it up as a thread and go to it. I'll bet you'll get plenty of takers.

 

[zero7starz]

Personally, I find this no different then smoking. I did not buy one so I could be cool and smoke inside where no one else can, I'm not that special. I'll use it in my own dwelling, because it won't leave that cigarette smoke smell afterwords, and that's about as far as I'll take it (Although it is nice). Most of my friends still smoke analogs and I gladly accompany them outside when they go to smoke and LED up when they light up.

 

[Kate51]

Yah, I go outside with my sister to give her a hard time about smoking, LOL, but I don't vape inside an establishment, if there's no smoking. I just wouldn't feel right making the "real" smokers wait to go outside. . especially my sister! She would make an issue of it. (Although, she and her daughter-in-law are looking into this vaping business.) I'm waiting! They're interested! That's the main thing. They cannot believe I quit cigarettes, after 44 years. They're just as hooked as I was, so it's looking more attractive to them all the time. Sometimes people are just a little scared. I still have some cigarettes in my case, in my purse, but everytime I bought another back-up, I put them in the case, and threw away a couple of cigarettes to make room. Can you imagine, throwing away a perfectly good cigarette to stow an extra battery and atty?? Wow. I keep them just to show them off. After over four months they're getting kinda dry.

 

[Kate51]

Personally, I find this no different then smoking. I did not buy one so I could be cool and smoke inside where no one else can, I'm not that special. I'll use it in my own dwelling, because it won't leave that cigarette smoke smell afterwords, and that's about as far as I'll take it (Although it is nice). Most of my friends still smoke analogs and I gladly accompany them outside when they go to smoke and LED up when they light up.

Hope to not offend, but you are special, with that kind of attitude.
Shows you have some heart and consideration, those are good things these days.

 

[CheeMiss]

Quote:
Originally Posted by zero7starz
Personally, I find this no different then smoking. I did not buy one so I could be cool and smoke inside where no one else can, I'm not that special. I'll use it in my own dwelling, because it won't leave that cigarette smoke smell afterwords, and that's about as far as I'll take it (Although it is nice). Most of my friends still smoke analogs and I gladly accompany them outside when they go to smoke and LED up when they light up.

Hope to not offend, but you are special, with that kind of attitude.
Shows you have some heart and consideration, those are good things these days.

It's not smoking........It's water vapor for crying out loud! NO SMELL, NO TOXINS, NO NOTHING.

And what about my rights to stay indoors, comfortable in the heat or air depending on the weather??? No, I am STILL expected to go outside and all because someone will find offense my blowing out water vapor???

That is the whole point of all this......MY RIGHTS TO COMFORT & ENJOYMENT HAVE BEEN TAKEN AWAY. AND IF THIS PRODUCT CAN HELP ME GET THEM BACK, THEN MOVE OVER......CAUSE IT'S MY TURN TO SIT DOWN........END OF STORY!

HECK, THE TRUTH BE KNOW, WITH EACH BREATH WE TAKE WE PUT OUT WATER VAPOR.

If the owner of an establishment asks me to stop vaping & if I can't change his/her mind......then yes, I will oblige, why, because it is their place. BUT I WILL NOT BE INTIMIDATED NOT TO TRY. NOT EVEN BY A POLICEMAN.....!

I am not a sheep......NEITHER ARE ANY OF YOU!!!

Kate51 you seem like such a kind genteel person, I truly get your point. I really do. I too am very polite, I bend over backwards trying to please people, but I also know when to draw the line.

I was a NON smoker all my life until I was 30 then took up the habit.
I had to put up with smokers in my home stinking up the place morning, noon and night. I WAS FORCED TO DEAL WITH IT. Then, when I finally caved and took it up and got royally hooked, guess what, everyone decided to drop it. I could not. These very same people, who loved my company wanted me to go outside of their homes to smoke. Yet, it was all right for them to pollute my home way back when. Guess what, I totally deprived them of the pleasure of my entertaining company.....PERIOD. I will not bother with the hypocrites. Why, because I want to be comfortable. So I will visit with other smokers.

And now, with the ecig, regardless of my having problems with the unit, I now sit and vape exactly in the places that they all did when I was NOT a smoker. And I am not polluting their air, nor hurting anyone....and if I do, its only their control freak ego.

And as for you zero7starz, what do you mean you are not that special???
Yes you are that special.....and remind yourself of that every day.

Why, because it takes only 1 person, just one person to move a mountain. Can you imagine what we can all do if we hold our ground and stick together? The pebble in the pond effect would be a tidle wave. If you did stay indoors to vape, in your friends faces, then you would be doing them the greatest favour of their lives....you would be making them envy you.....AND THAT IS A GOOD THING....Why? Because your helping them make the decision to save their health. If you keep trudging outdoors to vape, you are not benefiting anyone. Not yourself, not your family or friends, not anyone......PERIOD.

Vaping is NOT smoking........nothing to be ashamed of, nothing to hide.

Stand tall, be noticed, don't make an a*s of yourself, but stand your ground. We all need to do that. Otherwise, we loose! Nespa?


I don't know how old any of you are, but I was what they called a Teeny Bopper back in the 60's. 13 yrs old. To young to run away and be a Hippie. Quite the movement back then.

Prior to that, Rules, everywhere Rules. Thanks to just one person standing up and saying "I'M MAD AS HELL AND I WON'T TAKE IT ANYMORE", change happened. World Wide Freedom happened. And now, in this new millenium.....all that Freedom, where did it go? We have gone backwards instead of forwards.

Please listen to this song......It's from that era. And so apropo in this era. Just get past the intro. (Awe shucks they won't take the link I provided......it's: youtube Signs Signs Everywhere Signs (RID ZONE)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiJk6MeBx54

I think all you forum members are great, I really do and I thank God I found you and the e-cig. Yeah!!!

 

[Circuit]

Stand tall, be noticed, don't make an a*s of yourself, but stand your ground. We all need to do that. Otherwise, we loose! Nespa?


I don't know how old any of you are, but I was what they called a Teeny Bopper back in the 60's. 13 yrs old. To young to run away and be a Hippie. Quite the movement back then.

Prior to that, Rules, everywhere Rules. Thanks to just one person standing up and saying "I'M MAD AS HELL AND I WON'T TAKE IT ANYMORE", change happened. World Wide Freedom happened. And now, in this new millenium.....all that Freedom, where did it go? We have gone backwards instead of forwards.

LOVE this! Love the song as well - I think Tesla introduced it to me so many years ago, but the original is even better

Can't go without mentioning the quote from one of my favorite movies (Network) as well, and incredibly fitting for this day and age; perhaps even more than in '76.

Your point is absolutely true. If we hide ourselves, it will be very easy to squash the e-cig with little resistance. The time for apathy in this country is OVER; it's time to be proactive!

 

[CheeMiss]

LOVE this! Love the song as well - I think Tesla introduced it to me so many years ago, but the original is even better

Your point is absolutely true. If we hide ourselves, it will be very easy to squash the e-cig with little resistance. The time for apathy in this country is OVER; it's time to be proactive!

This definitely bears repeating.

The time for apathy in this country is OVER; it's time to be proactive!

The time for apathy in this country is OVER; it's time to be proactive!

The time for apathy in this country is OVER; it's time to be proactive!

 

[zero7starz]

Unfortunately I believe that it won't matter what it is that were blowing out, if it looks like smoke we will be discriminated against. And I strongly believe that if we continue to push limits like this we will most likely bring up some unwanted attention and undoubtedly end up with bans on not only vaping but our products as well. I will enjoy my hobby and do so in a way where I won't bring forth attention to myself in hopes that I can continue to enjoy so with out Big Brother making it hard to get supplies.

I already had them take away the enjoyment of my old analogs and replace them with nasty replacements, I don't want them taking this away from me as well. If that means that I will subdue myself to the same restrictions, I'll be happy to oblige that.

Keep in mind that the country/government is not about what you want, or even what the people want, its all out for its own good and it's one investment. This means that if the people who are paying into their hands want something small done to make them feel all warm and gooey inside they will probably do it. We are, unfortunately, another minority group that is stuck in a rut of discrimination and no one cares. And you can't make them.