This is not good (my two cents)

[Jim Davis]

I think that depending on where I am, that will determine my style of vaping when I get it. I wouldn't think twice about it in a big open place like walmart and would just explain it to any workers that are alerted to it.

When it comes to a bar, everyone in my local town knows me (not like a friend, but just know who I am by looking at me), so if they say anything- I will just explain it to them. I don't think that they will have any issue. I don't drink alcohol, so there have been times that I have been bar to bar with soda that I have got from a previous bar- and they trust me enough to know that when I say that it's soda- that's what it really is. So I don't think that they will question me when I say "It's an e-cig and the vapor is like the stuff that comes out of fog machines.

Now if the bar is practically empty, I am likely to sit at the bar (or pool table) and tell the bartender up front what I have. But there are a lot of people out there that don't know that the "smoke" is actually just harmless like the smoke machines that a lot of clubs have.

As far as a bar goes, the bar tender or manager should be asked first, as common courtesy.

Walmart, or similar stores? I ask Why? A person should be able to control their habit for the short time they are in a store. If a person can't wait until they get outside, there may be other issues that need addressing. (Not meant to be an insult, just my personal opinion.)

 

[Superstargoddess]

As far as a bar goes, the bar tender or manager should be asked first, as common courtesy.

Walmart, or similar stores? I ask Why? A person should be able to control their habit for the short time they are in a store. If a person can't wait until they get outside, there may be other issues that need addressing. (Not meant to be an insult, just my personal opinion.)

Right, if the bar isn't super busy, I would ask first. However, since I live near a college town, the bars can get wall to wall with the bartenders having to deal with lines of people six deep, so they wouldn't have time to address my issue.

As for Walmart, I guess it's just one of those things kinda like when I go to walmart now and I have to stand outside for a few mins finishing the cig that I had in my hand. Now if I decide to vape right before I get to walmart, I can take it inside for a few more hits without having to stand outside in the elements. (hot sun, rain, snow, etc)

 

[Bigbob]

E-cigs are not totally accepted. We need to be careful until we have enough support on our side. Being arrogant will not help the cause. I like my e-cig, and I don't want to loose it.

Please people, lets use some common sense. Make others see that this is a good thing.

Jim, to touch back to your OP. Reading through a lot of these post on ECF, that a lot of people, I'm assuming they are the younger ones, have Cartman syndrome. It's "Screw you, I do what I want!!" Common sense and courtesy have left the building.

That attitude will definitely put the non vapors on the defensive. I guess the title of the thread says it all.

Say Hi to Garfield.

 

[Subliminal]

The general trend towards peoples vaping habits are good. I have been a stong proponant to the "respect smoking bans". It burns me (no pun intended) when people say, "look, you can get around smoking bans!" I dont even think asking a bar owner is ok. I personally dont want the entire establishment looking at me, then the patrons start going to the employees about "that guy over there smoking", its just not worth it to me. I have a simple motto:

"If you CANT smoke here, I WONT vape here"
My best,
-VP

I agree with this. Though, it's a nice gesture to ask the bartender or manager or what have you, you'll just end up having other patrons complaining (chances are more than one) and eventually the manager is gonna have to decide, what s/he wants to lose more one vaping customer or several customers. I'd be inclined to say they'll ask you to take it outside eventually.

My boss who's quit smoking 10 years ago sees me using e-cigs now. He's a very opinionated guy and CANNOT stand smoking. But it doesn't bother him if I vape in the truck with him...he can't smell it. And if he does, it's not repulsive. But my point of adding him to the story is even he said "it's a great thing, but why would you want to bring negative attention to yourself and that thing by vaping where you normally can't. It's a great idea to make them NOT look like a regular cig. But keep the negative attention away from it, the world is full of a-holes who have nothing better to do than harp on others."

 

[Jim Davis]

Jim, to touch back to your OP. Reading through a lot of these post on ECF, that a lot of people, I'm assuming they are the younger ones, have Cartman syndrome. It's "Screw you, I do what I want!!" Common sense and courtesy have left the building.

That attitude will definitely put the non vapors on the defensive. I guess the title of the thread says it all.

Say Hi to Garfield.

The "in your face" stuff is gonna hurt us. We have to tread lightly with the public until things cool down.

Oh, and Garfield said, "Screw you, I do what I want!!"

 

[sikceo]

I was smoking a smoke 51 ecig in a public restaurant and the manager came up to me saying I cant smoke in here. I started laughing really loud and blew some smoke in his face. Then he started laughing too.

 

[Superstargoddess]

I was smoking a smoke 51 ecig in a public restaurant and the manager came up to me saying I cant smoke in here. I started laughing really loud and blew some smoke in his face. Then he started laughing too.

You got lucky. Otherwise that was obnoxious.

 

[killdozerd11]

The "in your face" stuff is gonna hurt us. We have to tread lightly with the public until things cool down.

Oh, and Garfield said, "Screw you, I do what I want!!"

I used to live in palm springs close to cathedral city
There are a lot of gay bars there . to say the least
We had a country bar that was not gay if the gays came in and started to almost have sex (in your face attitude that a lot of the use)
We would ask them to go to another bar please.
This just incites a lot of them (they have more rights than anyone else)
and to not accommodate them is a crime
Need less to say the only non gay bar had to close due to lawsuits for
violating there life style choice (ramming down your throat) like it or not
It worked for them

 

[Superstargoddess]

I used to live in palm springs close to cathedral city
There are a lot of gay bars there . to say the least
We had a country bar that was not gay if the gays came in and started to almost have sex (in your face attitude that a lot of the use)
We would ask them to go to another bar please.
This just incites a lot of them (they have more rights than anyone else)
and to not accommodate them is a crime
Need less to say the only non gay bar had to close due to lawsuits for
violating there life style choice (ramming down your throat) like it or not
It worked for them

Ok, so if one of the cowboys and their girlfriend was making out at the bar, would that have been an "In your face attitude"? What you are saying is highly offensive. If they want to hold hands or make out in a bar, just like straight people do, they shouldn't have to limit their choices of bars to go to.

Bigots only see things in a one sided way. No offense to you since you don't know any better.

Oh and I forgot... if it were two hot women, I'm sure that you'd still have a problem with it, right? Yeah, didn't think so.

 

[steves9090]

if there is a ban it will come from the fda on a national level. the local towns and municipalities can enact local restrictions but i doubt it will be based on the behavior of vaping in public. my 2 cents

 

[four2109]

Ok, so if one of the cowboys and their girlfriend was making out at the bar, would that have been an "In your face attitude"? What you are saying is highly offensive. If they want to hold hands or make out in a bar, just like straight people do, they shouldn't have to limit their choices of bars to go to.

Bigots only see things in a one sided way. No offense to you since you don't know any better.

Oh and I forgot... if it were two hot women, I'm sure that you'd still have a problem with it, right? Yeah, didn't think so.

Well put. And that's why it is imortant to respect the views of ALL others.

 

[Superstargoddess]

Well put. And that's why it is imortant to respect the views of ALL others.

Exactly. I am not homosexual myself, but I have had lesbian and gay friends. And I didn't want to make a big deal about what he said, but that was just really offensive. And just like he sees them in a horrible light apparently, I'm sure that others see people that smoke and use PV's in a negative light as well. And you know why?

Because they are ignorant.

 

[killdozerd11]

I am not a bigot.
I have nothing against there choice of lifestyle.

I pick my friends and where i want to socialize and that is my choice.
(And That Does Not Make Me A BIGOT)

And as such I don't want to see two guy's kissing and fondling one another.
nor did anyone else that patronized that place.
And we are referring what WAS the ONLY straight bar in town

And since my wife and i went there for steaks,drinks,line dancing and fun
we never witnessed any couple going overboard with desire 8-o

You never heard of self control

And if you wish to question my personal life further send me a personal message

Do not do this in a public forum as i am forced to reply in the same
wasting everybody's time

And you still missed my point

In your hurry to call me a bigot

 

[Superstargoddess]

I am not a bigot.
I have nothing against there choice of lifestyle.

I pick my friends and where i want to socialize and that is my choice.
(And That Does Not Make Me A BIGOT)

And as such I don't want to see two guy's kissing and fondling one another.
nor did anyone else that patronized that place.
And we are referring what WAS the ONLY straight bar in town

And since my wife and i went there for steaks,drinks,line dancing and fun
we never witnessed any couple going overboard with desire 8-o

You never heard of self control

And if you wish to question my personal life further send me a personal message

Do not do this in a public forum as i am forced to reply in the same
wasting everybody's time

And you still missed my point

In your hurry to call me a bigot

I will not talk more about the subject at hand, since that's going to be a losing battle. (Didn't call you a bigot, just said that bigots only see things in a one sided way)

But it doesn't waste anyones time in the fact that in a way, this subject can be compared to PV'ing. We will get compared to smokers, some people don't want to be around smokers or even see them. And just like certain members of a community, people will not understand what we are doing when we use a PV. Some people will probably think that it's drugs, some people will believe that it's really what it's supposed to be.

I think that a good point is that we have to make people understand and not be misinformed on PV'ing, then they will have a better understanding and know what is going on.

 

[Tyler2.0]

yea I still step outside to enjoy my vaping. i feel like im being an ....... if im blowing smoke in a closed facility. People see smoke and its automatically got a bad connotation to it. even if you say its odorless its still rude in my eyes. I would never have the indecency to vape in a hospital or even a local shopping center.

 

[chad]

yea I still step outside to enjoy my vaping. i feel like im being an ....... if im blowing smoke in a closed facility. People see smoke and its automatically got a bad connotation to it. even if you say its odorless its still rude in my eyes. I would never have the indecency to vape in a hospital or even a local shopping center.

Hmmm... IDK. I understand you feeling bad for vaping indoors, I try to be considerate of everyone around me all the time, but...

The "offensive" part of smoking was the smell and effects of smoke particulate. That part is totally gone now and seeing "steam" come from your mouth is only bad or rude by connotation. Even then, only because it's visible. We constantly spout CO2 and bacteria, viruses, and our spit all day - yet that's not considered rude (unless someone sees it); and that is more detrimental than vapor!

My take is that you shouldn't vape in a hospital or probably a store but maybe at work or other places it's ok. The e-cig is a disruptive technology in that it's revolutionary. It will take time for people to adjust but, they will have to adjust. There's just no more argument for you having to take it outside - other than slef-consciousness.

In the 1800's Quakers (the religion) wouldn't take their hats off indoors (even in church) or in front of church or societal "officials". Their reasoning was that as all men are created equal, there was no reason they should take off their hats (bow, etc) to others as it creates a social system of superiority.

The e-cig is a little like this. Analog smokers have been pushed outside, 20 or more feet away from the building doors sometimes, (remember when you could smoke on an airplane?). Society has condemned them for a personal choice, making them a second class caste. The e-cig has redeemed analog smokers and there is NO reason you should subjugate yourself any longer and continue to be treated as a second class citizen because of your personal choices. Even more so now that your personal choice has negligible (if any) impact on those around you.

Now, you shouldn't blow vapor in the face of someone and laugh, but a quick explanation goes a long way and it will help smooth the path to societal acceptance which will happen eventually.

 

[Telegraft]

There's merit to all approaches in social situations. However, there's nothing to be gained by coming off as a jerk or a bully.

Thus far I've had great experiences in public. My personal preference is to ask the managers of whatever establishment I'm at if it's okay to use (assuming the place is non-smoking; there's still some smoking areas in places in my area). I usually give them a quick metaphor to describe the device's harmlessness (it's just like a small fog machine!), and I haven't had any issue.

I did sneak a quick vape while in Walmart once, and I thought I was more discreet, but a customer and employee spotted me. They didn't make a big stink, but the employee came over and stated that this was a non-smoking store. I showed her the device (as well as the customer she was with, who obviously said something as well) and explained its harmlessness, and she was OK with it.

The best approach is to remain calm, whatever you do. If you freak out like someone caught you freebasing ...., that's almost as bad as poking them with your 510 and spewing forth about your rights and whatnot.

Thing to remember is this: the court of public opinion is not "innocent until proven guilty." It's the opposite. PVs look like a smoke and act like a smoke. Don't go crazy if people think it's a cigarette.

 

[Superstargoddess]

There's merit to all approaches in social situations. However, there's nothing to be gained by coming off as a jerk or a bully.

Thus far I've had great experiences in public. My personal preference is to ask the managers of whatever establishment I'm at if it's okay to use (assuming the place is non-smoking; there's still some smoking areas in places in my area). I usually give them a quick metaphor to describe the device's harmlessness (it's just like a small fog machine!), and I haven't had any issue.

I did sneak a quick vape while in Walmart once, and I thought I was more discreet, but a customer and employee spotted me. They didn't make a big stink, but the employee came over and stated that this was a non-smoking store. I showed her the device (as well as the customer she was with, who obviously said something as well) and explained its harmlessness, and she was OK with it.

The best approach is to remain calm, whatever you do. If you freak out like someone caught you freebasing ...., that's almost as bad as poking them with your 510 and spewing forth about your rights and whatnot.

Thing to remember is this: the court of public opinion is not "innocent until proven guilty." It's the opposite. PVs look like a smoke and act like a smoke. Don't go crazy if people think it's a cigarette.

Exactly, very well said. As far as anyone knows, we could be using a sophisticated marijuana device for all they know, so it helps to clear it with someone if you possibly can.

As I mentioned before, if it's a crowded bar where you can't talk to anyone, just be sure to maybe be a little discreet or if someone does finally come up to you, be nice and informative when you talk to the person. If you see that the person is busy, be sure to use your condensed best lines to let them know what you are doing since not everyone has time to hear the whole story.

 

[DaBrat]

Luckily I have not had any negative public vaipng experiences, maybe its the blue light. I HAVE however gotten some weird looks, not 'Why are you smoking?' looks but 'WTH looks' (again probably because of the blu light). Most people who have dared to comment have simply said something along the lines of 'Oh, thats one of those quit smoking thngs isn't it?'

Never have had the opportunity to vape in WalMart. As a smoker I generally did not take my cigs to Walmart nor did I smoke in the car (got a kid). Vaping hasn't changed that. I think it would take a conscious effort on my part to actually remember to vape INSIDE a public place.

 

[laughterhouse]

In the 1800's Quakers (the religion) wouldn't take their hats off indoors (even in church) or in front of church or societal "officials". Their reasoning was that as all men are created equal, there was no reason they should take off their hats (bow, etc) to others as it creates a social system of superiority.

The e-cig is a little like this. Analog smokers have been pushed outside, 20 or more feet away from the building doors sometimes, (remember when you could smoke on an airplane?). Society has condemned them for a personal choice, making them a second class caste. The e-cig has redeemed analog smokers and there is NO reason you should subjugate yourself any longer and continue to be treated as a second class citizen because of your personal choices. Even more so now that your personal choice has negligible (if any) impact on those around you.

Haha, what? I don't necessarily disagree with what you're trying to say, but comparing smoking and vaping to the fight for religious freedom seems like a bit of a stretch to me