This is why we have to be thorough when mixing with high nic bases

[zapped]

In a perfect world the title of this thread should be changed to;

This is why noobs shouldnt try to mix their own liquid without putting in hours of research on the subject.

 

[Giraut]

Making the claim that we shouldn't be allowed to obtain higher concentrations of liquid-based nicotine because an inexperienced first-timer mixed up his/her syringes is equivalent to claiming that we should ban kitchen knives because a novice chef sliced his finger open.

Where in my original post did you read that?

I wrote that if you want to be safe in case you mess up, don't buy high concentration nic base. Where did you read that I'm advocating banning them?

I'm completely in favor of the powers-that-be leaving people free do whatever the hell they want if they don't hurt nobody else. My comment is for individuals who want a safety net when they mix.

I don't find your post offensive, but I find it ignorant and rash. You even contradict yourself by saying that A) limitations on nicotine acquisition cause potential harm, and B) we should limit nicotine acquisition.

You think I contradict myself because you haven't read what I wrote.

Individuals who want to be safe shouldn't buy high concentration nic bases. INDIVIDUALS. On top of that, I'm suggesting that, if people had easy, legal access to pre-made juices with nic, they wouldn't feel compelled to buy high concentration bases to reduce their risk with customs. Heck, they mightn't even feel compelled to mix in the first place. How is that contradictory?

 

[dannyv45]

Where in my original post did you read that?

I wrote that if you want to be safe in case you mess up, don't buy high concentration nic base. Where did you read that I'm advocating banning them?

I'm completely in favor of the powers-that-be leaving people free do whatever the hell they want if they don't hurt nobody else. My comment is for individuals who want a safety net when they mix.



You think I contradict myself because you haven't read what I wrote.

Individuals who want to be safe shouldn't buy high concentration nic bases. INDIVIDUALS. On top of that, I'm suggesting that, if people had easy, legal access to pre-made juices with nic, they wouldn't feel compelled to buy high concentration bases to reduce their risk with customs. Heck, they mightn't even feel compelled to mix in the first place. How is that contradictory?

It's obvious you've ruffled some feathers and your argument at this point has been articulated. At this point I would stop trying to defend your position and just let this thread die a quiet death.

But hey it's only a suggestion and I'm not trying to censor you.

 

[Anjaffm]

In a perfect world the title of this thread should be changed to;

This is why noobs shouldnt try to mix their own liquid without putting in hours of research on the subject.

Precisely.

 

[RogerWilco357]

Simple don't break the law...case and point..

 

[williebb123]

i will say this is one of the funniest post ive read in a while , it reminds me of a $10 bet i lost when i was young , me and another guy lets call him Tim were both given a jug of roundup to spray around the driveways of several houses by our boss , my boss bet me that before the day was over Tim would spray roundup in his mouth , i took that bet and lost $10

 

[Aheadatime]

Where in my original post did you read that?

I wrote that if you want to be safe in case you mess up, don't buy high concentration nic base. Where did you read that I'm advocating banning them?

I'm completely in favor of the powers-that-be leaving people free do whatever the hell they want if they don't hurt nobody else. My comment is for individuals who want a safety net when they mix.



You think I contradict myself because you haven't read what I wrote.

Individuals who want to be safe shouldn't buy high concentration nic bases. INDIVIDUALS. On top of that, I'm suggesting that, if people had easy, legal access to pre-made juices with nic, they wouldn't feel compelled to buy high concentration bases to reduce their risk with customs. Heck, they mightn't even feel compelled to mix in the first place. How is that contradictory?

My apologies. I re-read your statement and you didn't mention banning them at all. I guess my mind prematurely put together "bad idea" and "don't buy" as a rash conclusion that they shouldn't be allowed. If you're saying that new mixers shouldn't be handling high concentrations of nicotine right off the bat without fully understanding what they're getting themselves into and having the right equipment and safety measures on hand, then I agree.

 

[delpart]

From lurking, I can say that the DIY thread could occasionally use some examples of why safety is important. Yes, the giant bold warnings are all well and good, but far too many people can barely cook, let alone have basic lab skills.

This is not a bad example story of why so many products are so hard to obtain for everyday use. Mainly because the people supplying them know human error and mishandling will come about. Off hand (things I like to use): high concentration peroxides, muriatic acid, pesticides ...

This is a classic laboratory mix-up story with a mild outcome. Nothing blew up but some emotions on the Internet.

The idea to use lower strength, or what some might even want to call, "slightly diluted" base components is not a bad suggestion to avoid errors.


Just two cents since I got distracted by the title.

 

[Elizabeth Baldwin]

I've been using/mixing 100mg nic with pg/vg for a long time and never would I accidentally put more nic than pg/vg. You have to put precautions in place to ensure accidents don't happen. It's nobody's fault but mine if I mix it wrong.

I was a chemist for the Army for years. I worked with biological/nuclear chemicals. One mistake with those ingredients could be devastating not only for me but others. You have to label everything and treat every minute ingredient as though it's dangerous, be it dangerous or not. If I made a simple mistake it would have been on me and rightfully so. When using any chemical you practice safety first. Use the proper safety gear-gloves, labels, clean work station, etc...

Nicotine overdose would cause symptoms much the same as a caffeine overdose. It's not something that would cause you to grow a second head or lesions all over your body. People tend to freak out over nicotine but at 100mg its not as dangerous as people think. Now at 100% it could be a little more dangerous. Even at 100% you'd get symptoms right away and thus realize your mistake before inhaling enough to really hurt you. Even if you spill 100% on your leg simply wash it off. You might get a buzz from it but it won't kill you. It's not as potent as people think. But always treat it as though it is. Safety first.

Your friend doesn't need to be mixing anything. Anybody who can't mix nicotine with PG or VG without using simple precautions needs to pay someone else to do it for him or her. Mistakes happen, but when it comes to mixing chemicals mistakes shouldn't happen. It's "mistakes" like this that put ammo in the hands of the ANTZ. We are not little kids who need parented. Most normal people can mix nicotine with PG/VG without incidents. It's the outliers who cause problems for others. That one person who pushes his battery to its limit or that one person, such as your pal, who can't mix without confusing ingredients can cause a media frenzy!

 

[Myk]

Your friend is very bad at math.

If I take 5ml of 52mg and 38ml of 0mg I get 6.05mg.
If I flip those numbers because I'm not paying attention to what I'm doing to know it's going to take a little 52mg to make 6mg and not notice I'm taking a lot of the 52mg I get 45.95mg not 40mg.
If I flip the numbers to make 40mg I end up with 11.82mg not 6mg. Because of that 11.82mg number I think I know what he did (or it's a big coincidence he was shooting for a mg that is around the decimal of 6/52) and he completely doesn't understand math, only knows just enough to be dangerous.

So how did your friend arrive at the numbers he was using?
Even without a DIY mixing calculator it's not really rocket science.
It's not too hard to know you don't know math and go online and get a calculator. I do know the math and don't trust myself (without double and triple checking) so I use a calculator that I trust.

52mg or even 100mg isn't that dangerous. Being stupid is dangerous. Not knowing you're stupid is extremely dangerous.

 

[wheelie]

Never heard of 52mg nicotine, but anyways, smart friend. Some of the same reasons I have a freezer full of 100mg. LOL Need to have a pharmaceutical licence in Canada for anything over 48 strength.

 

[Racehorse]

I was a chemist for the Army for years. I worked with biological/nuclear chemicals. One mistake with those ingredients could be devastating not only for me but others.

Human error is always going to be possible. We had an incident here with a vendor claiming to be a chemist, shipping an improperly packaged 100mg nic solution to a customer that was dripping and leaking all out of the package. While it was (and still is) certainly hard for me to believe that a chemist would not know how to properly package nic solution for shipping, I guess it could happen.

The OPs post isn't going to garner quite the media attention that a USPS sectional center employee(s) and postal carriers having to endure a quick arm or leg bathe in nic solution

Just saying that most discussions here are worth having, and nobody should be told, as the OP was, that their post should be deleted.

It bears discussion because more people will also be getting into this business, same as more consumers will be using products. It is certainly worth, as a community, to continue discussing pros and cons, and everyone's opinion should be welcomed.


By the way, there is actually an artisan ejuice vendor who does not use over 36mg of nic solution at their facility, they feel it is safer that way for their employees......their words, not mine.

 

[Elizabeth Baldwin]

Human error is always going to be possible. We had an incident here with a vendor claiming to be a chemist, shipping an improperly packaged 100mg nic solution to a customer that was dripping and leaking all out of the package. While it was (and still is) certainly hard for me to believe that a chemist would not know how to properly package nic solution for shipping, I guess it could happen.

The OPs post isn't going to garner quite the media attention that a USPS sectional center employee(s) and postal carriers having to endure a quick arm or leg bathe in nic solution

Just saying that most discussions here are worth having, and nobody should be told, as the OP was, that their post should be deleted.

It bears discussion because more people will also be getting into this business, same as more consumers will be using products. It is certainly worth, as a community, to continue discussing pros and cons, and everyone's opinion should be welcomed.


By the way, there is actually an artisan ejuice vendor who does not use over 36mg of nic solution at their facility, they feel it is safer that way for their employees......their words, not mine.

I agree it's worth discussing. Others here should see so they can be safe. I disagree about the media though. They've taken much less and made a big deal of it.

I think this vendor you speak of is being overly cautious. That's ok if that's how they wish. Safety is always best. But I believe a lot of vendors aren't chemist and really just know what they've read. And we all know most of what can be read, be it media, articles, or whatever, is hog-wash. Most vendors are self-proclaimed artisan mixers, which basically means nothing.

Hopefully most will at least learn safety should come first. Use proper labels and know what you are doing. Do significant research before attempting to mix anything.

 

[Gato del Jugo]

Never heard of 52mg nicotine...

Available in the UK...

 

[Exchaner]

I find your attitude offensive.

What is so offensive about it? Do you always come down so hard on someone you do not agree with? I find THAT quite offensive.

 

[Racehorse]

I think this vendor you speak of is being overly cautious. That's ok if that's how they wish.

I agree.

Perhaps they have workers comp or insurance liability considerations that have to be fulfilled under their agreements, so I can't speak to the "why's".

Most vendors are self-proclaimed artisan mixers, which basically means nothing.

Well, counter clerks at coffee shops are barristas now; since I taught resume-writing in a jr. college, I am no stranger to the trend toward making job titles more .................... illustrious. Although I always advised my own students to be straightforward type folks....and just use normal words, in the event that their hiring manager isn't up on all the latest "labels/titles"

 

[3mg Meniere]

Never heard of 52mg nicotine, but anyways, smart friend. Some of the same reasons I have a freezer full of 100mg. LOL Need to have a pharmaceutical licence in Canada for anything over 48 strength.

52 is inconvenient. 52= 2X2X13, doesn't factor well. 48=3X2X2X2X2, factors very nicely.

 

[Heabob]

52 is inconvenient. 52= 2X2X13, doesn't factor well. 48=3X2X2X2X2, factors very nicely.

Ya, I started with 18mg, which was strange to get to 12mg, but worked good to get to 9, 6, & 3, lol.

 

[DeadbeatJeff]

meh

100mg VG NIC is the only way... makes the percents so easy and takes up less space

 

[DeadbeatJeff]

52 is inconvenient. 52= 2X2X13, doesn't factor well. 48=3X2X2X2X2, factors very nicely.

my first 500ml were 48, but I just didn't see the point in not getting 100