I could see a graduated taxing system which would discourage the use of anything over 48mg. IMHO.
This is why we have to be thorough when mixing with high nic bases
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It reads whichever way you want to read it. LOL.True enough... And I guess I'm not a real vaperI still read it as "oh my god"
Believe me, the FDA is already thinking about it, & their attempt should probably be expected...
Mitch Zeller speaking last week..
One-on-One with Mitch Zeller, Director of the FDA Center for Tobacco Products
Appears he touches on nic concentration levels for a minute or two, starting at the 16:36 mark...
I'm counting my blessings today. I'm thankful the zealots haven't focused on my household bleach. I need it to keep the house and clothing clean. I'm also blessed because they haven't gotten around to my ammonia glass cleaners. I also need those. Yes, its true that if I mix them poisonous gas is released and several bimbos have mixed them in their toilet bowls with bad consequences but, for now, there aren't any competitors out there inflamming the zealots to either get them banned or concentrations weakened. Ugh... wait... maybe I shouldn't feel so comfortable.. the eco-crazies are on the march... bettter get to the store and stock up.... hmmm, I wonder what containers/conditions are best for storing them. I bet there's a forum on the net where they talk about safe storage and use... off to look it up.
Not really about 100mg. If you get some on your skin rinse it off, you'll be fine. It would take a lot on thin skin and letting it sit there longer than any sane person would to be a problem, probably, so don't try it, just rinse it off. The "smallest drop" is not going to be a problem.
If you dropped a liter on the floor and had no ventilation I guess it could present a gas problem by the time it's cleaned up. And of course clean up would have to be done so it doesn't create a problem (throwing the paper towels in the garbage can to sit in the same room leaves the gas problem, leaving them open in the garbage could be a problem for the garbage man who doesn't have the ability to rinse it off).
Measuring doesn't have to be as exact as some people think. Play around with a calculator and do some 1ml mix ups and you'll see it doesn't create anything dangerous.
Totally not understanding the math and getting the ingredients mixed up could present a problem but generally not at the point of vaping. You take your puff, notice something is wrong and go to bed to wait for the Velvet Hammer to go away, the same as you'd do if you smoked a big cigar that was stronger than you expected.
There's a lot more paranoia about 100mg than there needs to be. Yes it should be treated with respect but it's not instant death if a tiny drop gets on your skin.
I think I made ammonium chloride cleaning up an old dog's urine. It obviously didn't kill me but it was hard to breathe and I had to air out the house.
We should ban urine.
I finally read all the way through this post. Here's what I got out of it from the beginning. Giraut was trying to post a real world example of a person new to DIY who made a mistake that caused him to become ill. Therefore he made this post to serve as a warning, and his idea of a solution was to warn folks new to DIY against buying higher doses of concentrated nicotine so if I mistake occurs they don't end up with the same fate or worse. While everyone is indeed different, so others may not react as adversely to a similar situation, in situations such as these it's wise to determine the "worst case scenario", what COULD happen.
I didn't understand from the get go why so many jumped on the OP like they did because I read through the entire post and understood what the poster was trying to convey. He even spelled it out completely in the last two lines of his post yet it took around 6 or 7 posts for others to get there.
What I did find concerning and alarming is a member here who evidently isn't new to DIY, or at least that was my impression stating that 100% nicotine isn't nowhere near as dangerous as it claims to be and alluding to the fact that it doesn't require the safe handling techniques that have been cautioned about. Yet most of the information put out there by experienced DIY'er seems to be that it is indeed worth the caution and respect it garners. This seems to ECF's own position as well, yet no one else has swooped in and challenged those statements or even made so much as a peep about it.
So which is it? It is or isn't dangerous, higher nic concentrations and 100% nicotine because the addition of that post along with everyone else stating, "That's why ______ has to happen, or be taken." I hope I'm making sense and seeing this correctly as I admit I just woke up but this if anything seems to make for confusion and issues, due to the fact that it could give some new to DIY that the higher doses and even 100% nic isn't all that dangerous. Does anyone else get that?
Giraut, I don't see that an apology was necessary on your behalf but let me also say I'm sorry that others didn't comprehend your post as it was intended and I felt presented even. I'm sorry you got heat that you didn't deserve. IMHO when we censor every comment just because the media is going to jump on it, twist it and spin it then half the battle's already lost and without a fight even. People make mistakes, period. Someone else even said it, even the best of them, hence the term human error. I worked in healthcare for a number or years and quite a few of those were spent in a lab. If you haven't made a mistake yet then you probably haven't been doing DIY for that long and your also making relatively small quantities. A good system will have effective quality control protocols in place but it really is a numbers game. Sooner or later a mistake is always made. One just hopes whatever mistake is made isn't want that has a huge negative impact. It is out of this thinking that "acceptable risk" was born.
I also wanted to add that I retract that I don't understand why the OP was treated so harshly, I should say I don't "personally" understand. I get that most people who have a high fear and or of regulation tend to have an emotionally charged knee jerk reaction to anything that they perceive as a threat against them. I disagree with it, but I do understand it. I agree with what someone else said. If this post has to go then so does at least hundreds of others. If the OP can't express his opinions in the way he did here then ECF shouldn't even exist IMHO.
I didn't understand from the get go why so many jumped on the OP like they did because I read through the entire post and understood what the poster was trying to convey. He even spelled it out completely in the last two lines of his post yet it took around 6 or 7 posts for others to get there.
What I did find concerning and alarming is a member here who evidently isn't new to DIY, or at least that was my impression stating that 100% nicotine isn't nowhere near as dangerous as it claims to be and alluding to the fact that it doesn't require the safe handling techniques that have been cautioned about. Yet most of the information put out there by experienced DIY'er seems to be that it is indeed worth the caution and respect it garners. This seems to ECF's own position as well, yet no one else has swooped in and challenged those statements or even made so much as a peep about it.
So which is it? It is or isn't dangerous, higher nic concentrations and 100% nicotine because the addition of that post along with everyone else stating, "That's why ______ has to happen, or be taken." I hope I'm making sense and seeing this correctly as I admit I just woke up but this if anything seems to make for confusion and issues, due to the fact that it could give some new to DIY that the higher doses and even 100% nic isn't all that dangerous. Does anyone else get that?
Giraut, I don't see that an apology was necessary on your behalf but let me also say I'm sorry that others didn't comprehend your post as it was intended and I felt presented even. I'm sorry you got heat that you didn't deserve. IMHO when we censor every comment just because the media is going to jump on it, twist it and spin it then half the battle's already lost and without a fight even. People make mistakes, period. Someone else even said it, even the best of them, hence the term human error. I worked in healthcare for a number or years and quite a few of those were spent in a lab. If you haven't made a mistake yet then you probably haven't been doing DIY for that long and your also making relatively small quantities. A good system will have effective quality control protocols in place but it really is a numbers game. Sooner or later a mistake is always made. One just hopes whatever mistake is made isn't want that has a huge negative impact. It is out of this thinking that "acceptable risk" was born.
I also wanted to add that I retract that I don't understand why the OP was treated so harshly, I should say I don't "personally" understand. I get that most people who have a high fear and or of regulation tend to have an emotionally charged knee jerk reaction to anything that they perceive as a threat against them. I disagree with it, but I do understand it. I agree with what someone else said. If this post has to go then so does at least hundreds of others. If the OP can't express his opinions in the way he did here then ECF shouldn't even exist IMHO.
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I will be very sad if/when the day comes that I can no longer get 100mg/ml nic.
I kinda understand the OP's point. It's been hashed out well since. I think that a better way of looking at it is that high concentration nic shouldn't be mixed by people who are incapable of taking the necessary precautions and educating themselves. It was a simple careless mistake. And getting a little nic sick is hardly a big deal.
If you want to talk about dangerous vices, grain alcohol is far more dangerous with the inexperienced. Heck, drinking too much liquor too fast sends thousands to the hospital every year and sends plenty to the morgue. Careless and inexperienced people get themselves into trouble all the time. I personally don't want to lose personal freedom and choice because of others bad practices. If that logic applied wholesale in life, life would be like living in a prison. No thanks.
As with anything that has inherent dangers, practice solid safety and it's a no never mind. Like many on here, I've been mixing 100mg/ml nic since practically the beginning. It's easy to be safe. Very easy. I have zero worries and have never had a mistake worth talking about. I'm much more concerned using chemicals in the yard, using a paint sprayer, or even changing the transmission fluid in my car among other things.
Taking a 10k foot view here, making an entire class of people suffer loss of freedom and choice because of a few peoples' bad practices is a terrible direction to go in. Not talking about just nic either. The entire spectrum that this type of logic can apply to is a slippery and precarious slope and I want none of it.
ETA: just saw the title change. Good choice. I still won't redact my statements because I feel all too often that a nanny state mentality prevails all too often. Not saying the OP has that mentality but there are too many that do and it needs to stop.
I kinda understand the OP's point. It's been hashed out well since. I think that a better way of looking at it is that high concentration nic shouldn't be mixed by people who are incapable of taking the necessary precautions and educating themselves. It was a simple careless mistake. And getting a little nic sick is hardly a big deal.
If you want to talk about dangerous vices, grain alcohol is far more dangerous with the inexperienced. Heck, drinking too much liquor too fast sends thousands to the hospital every year and sends plenty to the morgue. Careless and inexperienced people get themselves into trouble all the time. I personally don't want to lose personal freedom and choice because of others bad practices. If that logic applied wholesale in life, life would be like living in a prison. No thanks.
As with anything that has inherent dangers, practice solid safety and it's a no never mind. Like many on here, I've been mixing 100mg/ml nic since practically the beginning. It's easy to be safe. Very easy. I have zero worries and have never had a mistake worth talking about. I'm much more concerned using chemicals in the yard, using a paint sprayer, or even changing the transmission fluid in my car among other things.
Taking a 10k foot view here, making an entire class of people suffer loss of freedom and choice because of a few peoples' bad practices is a terrible direction to go in. Not talking about just nic either. The entire spectrum that this type of logic can apply to is a slippery and precarious slope and I want none of it.
ETA: just saw the title change. Good choice. I still won't redact my statements because I feel all too often that a nanny state mentality prevails all too often. Not saying the OP has that mentality but there are too many that do and it needs to stop.
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Perhaps you didn't see the post title before it was changed to a much less inflammatory one.
{Title has been edited}
Just a note for future reference... instead of jumping on a poster (OP in this case) for statements made, first calmly seek to understand their position, and discuss why you agree or disagree, and explain your position.
As I've said before, this is not a snarky bicker fest zone, but a discussion zone.
Thanks, and have a great day!
Just a note for future reference... instead of jumping on a poster (OP in this case) for statements made, first calmly seek to understand their position, and discuss why you agree or disagree, and explain your position.
As I've said before, this is not a snarky bicker fest zone, but a discussion zone.
Thanks, and have a great day!
It depends on your tolerance to NIC. I've gotten 100mg nic on my bare skin and had no reaction to it but as a smoker for 40 years this would be expected. If a person never had exposure to NIC and just wanted it for throat hit but was never actually addicted to it such as a smoker then the reaction could be very different. The key is, if you do get some on you wash it off at once and do not let it linger on your exposed skin. If you get a head buzz and nausia from vaping NIC stop vaping it at once and adjust to a lower dose. Folks it's not rocket science it's all common sense.
What you have to understand is 100% Nicotine IS NOT 100mg nicotine. 100mg nicotine is 1/10th the strength of 100% (1000mg/ml) nicotine. 100% nicotine discussion is not even allowed on ECF and yes do understand that 100% nicotine is very hazardious and should be avoided at all cost.
The most important part of basic mixing 101 for new DYI'ers is that you need to completely understand your concentrations and mix down procedures before you even open a bottle of NIC.
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100mg VG, ...
LOL forum thinks ForTheWin is profanity^
Sent from the Northwest Corner, CM
LOL forum thinks ForTheWin is profanity^
Sent from the Northwest Corner, CM
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so do I. Alright!
No offense intended, OP, but this forum has been crawling with concern trolls lately. Raising a hue and a cry about this and that and the other, looking to feed search engines with their hype and looking to feed the opponents of vaping - those who want all of us to go back to tobacco, because their livelyhood depends on people smoking. Many people. Smoking a lot. To keep the tobacco gravy train rolling. The gravy train that feeds them while it kills us.
Of course it is necessary to exercise caution when handling high nic bases. That is why it is strongly advised to read up on the subject. And to keep one's mind on what one is doing. But the title of the thread was just.... unfortunate.
I like the new title much better.
I agree with your opinion on prohibition in general.
Making 6mg/ml out of 52mg/ml - anyone who doesn't instantly realize they'll need MUCH more plain VG than nic base, really needs a link to Blu or something. LOL!
When I was younger F T W meant f... the world. It was pretty confusing when I first started seeing people writing F T W. It always seemed inappropriate.
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