Actually the 'green' stuff smokers got blasted 40 yrs ago. They went to jail. Smokers, 25 years back-new evil. Now it's our turn. In america, everyone gets burned at the stake..Wow, I strongly disagree. I've been vaping for over two years and have rarely come across juices with names like that so I can't imagine the average non-vaping citizen would come across something like that, like ever. I'm very familiar with the hate for vapers, I see it so often in the comment sections of articles that I read and have been verbally attacked for being a vaper myself. The smokers of green stuff receive more tolerance than vapers do. A lot of it is posted by people who have obvious anti smoking attitudes and think vaping is a tobacco industry product. As a matter of fact I'm convinced that the belief that vaping is a tobacco industry product is stronger than the belief that vaping is just as dangerous as smoking. The average person isn't aware of the existence of the vaping industry both online and in B&M's. So I don't see what you're seeing at all, but maybe others who see what you do can chime in.
Perhaps you and your vaping professional collegues could help change the image of vaping in your particular social circle instead of hiding? Or perhaps at least clarify these misconceptions for those in your circle who don't vape? Change has to start somewhere right?
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Society always looks down on things they don't understand. I use to get dirty looks and the occasional you know smoking is bad for you comments when smoking regular cigs. I usually respond with a smart remark. I just laugh at the memes if their funny and move on. The more mainstream vaping becomes the more ppl will accept it and criticize it and those that do it. It happens with everything popular.
Laws are being passed in certain states that will regulate the manufacturing of liquids to prevent us vapers from contaminating and then selling vape liquids that contain illegal substances, so I think the trend to shun *that stuff* is very much alive and well. Of course that's not the only substance the regulators are worried about. And I do agree, it's our turn.
I've noticed a large amount of vape-hate on fb. Honestly the memes are getting on my nerves. We should all make memes bashing analogs and plaster them all over fb. Just my opinion.
A friend of mine posted this the other day, and I got irritated.
1. because I vape. I didn't comment that it saved me from smoking.
2. because if I really wanted to, I could put my long hair in a man bun.
3. well, Bae irritates me, so I'm gonna give her that one.
1. because I vape. I didn't comment that it saved me from smoking.
2. because if I really wanted to, I could put my long hair in a man bun.
3. well, Bae irritates me, so I'm gonna give her that one.
not sure what are you disagreeing with.
There are juices with names that I posted.
There have been ejuices named after that, too.
The diff is the green stuff isn't a Schedule II drug like the NAMES of the ejuices I mentioned above. ({Moderated}. {Moderated}).
I don't have an anti smoking attitude. (although a lot of people here seem to.) Like this:
But I do have a problem with being linked, in any way, to hard drugs.
they already have.
This isn't a game, PS. Okay? I used to turn a lot of people on to vaping. I also don't appreciate your simplistic advice, nor your implication that I am "hiding." Must we have a score-sheet on how many people we have turned on to vaping?
Let me repeat this so it is clear: some people have a professional reputation to protect. It may be work related, it may be because they are running for office, or thinking about it, involved with certain organizations in their communities, etc.
Employers and human resources personnel are utilizing the web and social networks to get additional information on prospective employees. It has nothing to do with hiding. I do not, let me repeat, do not, want to be associated with anything associated with hard drugs. There are other things I dont' want to be associated with as well, but they aren't part of this topic so I won't bring them up.
Getting "off the grid" with regard to this is not hiding. It's called proactive reputation management. Its why some people even take legal action......because they consider their name and their associations to be vastly important.
And, by the way: This isn't something for you, or anyone else to "agree or disagree with." This is MY opinion on how I will handle my PERSONAL relationship to vaping (and the vaping culture when it begins to go in directions that I don't feel I can be "proud" of. )
You have no idea about anyone's personal life here, whether they are running for office, what their professional, personal and other relationships are about.
This topic was about backlash, and I was merely presenting something that I personally felt was "not helping us." I do not need a psychological presentation about how to "spin" it differently (or accusations from you, about how many people I turn onto vaping or how often I present vaping in a positive light since you are not in a position to know these things about me.)
What I want is not to have to see ejuices with names like that.
And, if it continues, then I expect it will just be damaging to the industry......IMHO.
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I'm with her on 1 and 3. Bae? What is that? It's like cre cre. Have we gotten so ghetto that we feel the need to shorten or twist every single word in our lexicon? If so, our species is doomed. Call me old fashioned but the words "Man" and "Bun" do not go together. The only people that can pull off a man bun are samurai's. Unless you are a samurai and actually carry a katana sword, your hair shouldn't be in a bun.
My two concerns with people that say this is bad for me..... I always ask them if they would prefer me to smoke cigs. If they ask if there is anything illegal in my stuff, I offer them a hair sample to test. Those two answers alone stop them from pestering me altogether. As far as meme's for vapers on FB, I have not noticed any.... YAY!!!
.....and for the record, I have no problem with smokers (since not long ago I was one), tatoos, cloud blowers, weird hair colors,sexual orientation, or any of *that stuff*. Just like I don't have a problem with people who wear turbans, etc. I've lived in large metropolitan areas all my life, like NYC before moving to podunk ....
Calling ejuice by names of hard drugs is different, and yeah, it's damaging.
I was at a meeting with first responders, LEOs, firefighters, you know they are having a harder time lately being able to tell just what is in some of these vaporizers. We don't NEED these links!!!
Calling ejuice by names of hard drugs is different, and yeah, it's damaging.
I was at a meeting with first responders, LEOs, firefighters, you know they are having a harder time lately being able to tell just what is in some of these vaporizers. We don't NEED these links!!!
I have the devil on hold right now to see how much of my soul he wants to transform me into Jared Leto, though.
not sure what are you disagreeing with.
There are juices with names that I posted.
There have been ejuices named after that, too.
The diff is the green stuff isn't a Schedule II drug like the NAMES of the ejuices I mentioned above. ({Moderated}. {Moderated}).
I don't have an anti smoking attitude. (although a lot of people here seem to.) Like this:
But I do have a problem with being linked, in any way, to hard drugs.
they already have.
This isn't a game, PS. Okay? I used to turn a lot of people on to vaping. I also don't appreciate your simplistic advice, nor your implication that I am "hiding." Must we have a score-sheet on how many people we have turned on to vaping?
Let me repeat this so it is clear: some people have a professional reputation to protect. It may be work related, it may be because they are running for office, or thinking about it, involved with certain organizations in their communities, etc.
Employers and human resources personnel are utilizing the web and social networks to get additional information on prospective employees. It has nothing to do with hiding. I do not, let me repeat, do not, want to be associated with anything associated with hard drugs. There are other things I dont' want to be associated with as well, but they aren't part of this topic so I won't bring them up.
Getting "off the grid" with regard to this is not hiding. It's called proactive reputation management. Its why some people even take legal action......because they consider their name and their associations to be vastly important.
And, by the way: This isn't something for you, or anyone else to "agree or disagree with." This is MY opinion on how I will handle my PERSONAL relationship to vaping (and the vaping culture when it begins to go in directions that I don't feel I can be "proud" of. )
You have no idea about anyone's personal life here, whether they are running for office, what their professional, personal and other relationships are about.
This topic was about backlash, and I was merely presenting something that I personally felt was "not helping us." I do not need a psychological presentation about how to "spin" it differently (or accusations from you, about how many people I turn onto vaping or how often I present vaping in a positive light since you are not in a position to know these things about me.)
What I want is not to have to see ejuices with names like that.
And, if it continues, then I expect it will just be damaging to the industry......IMHO.
Um, after reading the first few sentences of your reply it's clear there is a huge miscommunication going on here. I have no idea how first third of your reply apply's to anything I said so didn't continue reading any further. I never said you have an anti smoking attitude, no idea where you could have possibly gotten that. Jeez, this forum has been one misread after another today.
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Careful now. You may end up getting hadoukened by 400 pounds worth of angry Japanese guy dressed in a towel diaper.
Jeez, this forum has been one misread after another today.
Yeah, perhaps it's something with the forum software inserting random interpretations on each page load? Or it's PEBKAC. Yeah, that's more likely the issue.
Unfortunately, there are some enthusiastic vapers out there who like to show off what they've accomplished with their gear, usually in the form of producing massive clouds. What I wish these people would do is keep such things to places they aren't going to bother other people and pay attention to their environments. And I wish certain ones would CARE that they hurt the entire vaping industry by not caring.
As awful as it is to admit, every one of us in public represents ALL of us to the non-vaping world, rightly or wrongly. I'm not saying it should be this way - I don't think that way at all - but what I AM saying is that it IS this way, like it or not.
First we need to win a legal place for the vaping industry and all of us who are involved. THEN we can work out what is fair or not fair.
Vaping is being attacked by major players with big money and lobbies to beat the band. They have politicians in their back pockets where WE don't and can't.
A little courtesy goes a long, LONG way.
As awful as it is to admit, every one of us in public represents ALL of us to the non-vaping world, rightly or wrongly. I'm not saying it should be this way - I don't think that way at all - but what I AM saying is that it IS this way, like it or not.
First we need to win a legal place for the vaping industry and all of us who are involved. THEN we can work out what is fair or not fair.
Vaping is being attacked by major players with big money and lobbies to beat the band. They have politicians in their back pockets where WE don't and can't.
A little courtesy goes a long, LONG way.
Exactly!
When 4-5 Reckless Vapers Blow up Mods through poor judgement or lack of understanding, the media runs wild with it and sets Safety concerns over MILLIONS of current Vapers equipment.
When Careless Parents expose small children to small easily opened or open bottles of E-liquids, All Vapers Pose a threat to the Safety of Children - per the media.
Sorry, but Yes, Every single one of us is responsible for the way Vaping is seen, like it or not.
Ask no more than you are willing to Give. Give no more than you expect to Receive. Ignorance of fact swings both ways.
Most important - You cannot teach others if you are unwilling to learn from them.
The problem? Simple.
The vaping industry as a whole has no united voice, no marketing budget and nobody willing to drop a few million bucks to help educate the masses. I don't blame soccer moms not wanting vaping near a kid's outside sporting event. They have no clue that it isn't as bad as smoking as nobody with any influence/expertise has told them differently.
99% (guess, but likely not far off) of our vaping hardware comes from China and nobody in their right mind would even consider manufacturing vaping gear in the US/UK until the UK/US Govt figures out what they want to do when they grow up.
Yup, ProVape and a few others do a great job making great gear, but net new vaping companies making bleeding edge products will not be happening anytime soon.
Sad, but reality.
The vaping industry as a whole has no united voice, no marketing budget and nobody willing to drop a few million bucks to help educate the masses. I don't blame soccer moms not wanting vaping near a kid's outside sporting event. They have no clue that it isn't as bad as smoking as nobody with any influence/expertise has told them differently.
99% (guess, but likely not far off) of our vaping hardware comes from China and nobody in their right mind would even consider manufacturing vaping gear in the US/UK until the UK/US Govt figures out what they want to do when they grow up.
Yup, ProVape and a few others do a great job making great gear, but net new vaping companies making bleeding edge products will not be happening anytime soon.
Sad, but reality.
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