The big eGo batteries deliver the same voltage as a std. 510 battery. Higher maH doesn't mean more voltage.
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Thoughts after upgrading from the 510 to the ego
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The big eGo batteries deliver the same voltage as a std. 510 battery. Higher maH doesn't mean more voltage.
Have read the "Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About your 510" thread? There's a cart alignment picture.
I figured as much, so what I'm saying is apparently the reg 510 works better for me for dripping, anyway, than the lr 510; although it may have something to do with the juice i use... mostly VG.
I wonder if it's the juice factor in this ... for using the LR on the tornego?
Found the manual at Radio Shack.... http://www.radioshack.com/graphics/uc/rsk/Support/ProductManuals/2730333_PM_EN.pdf
Assuming that's what you have the upper limit is 2 Amps - all bets are off- I suggest you keep it safe and avoid using LR attys above 3V- (3V/1.5 Ohms = 2Amps) ... consider that 3V is the maximum rating you are on the fringe.
many thanks....
what does that mean in volts?
what am i getting at the 5 setting?
sorry i don't read electonic specs at all.
what does that mean in volts?
what am i getting at the 5 setting?
sorry i don't read electonic specs at all.
Now you say that ;-) not to worry...
Oversimplified electircity 101, enough to get you by....
Voltage (V - Volts) is the energy potential between 2 points.
Current (I- Amps) is the speed of the electricity.
Resistance (R- Ohms) is just that....
Think of your kitchen sink (pipes, drain and all)
Voltage is like the pressure in the supply pipes
Current is like the water moving through the pipes.
Resistance is the valve that turns the water on and off- opening the valve reduces the resistance.
Ohms Law is the foundation for basic electric circuits says that Current = Voltage/Resistance or I=V/R -
Most 510 LR attys are 1.5 Ohms
Your supply when set to 3 volts
3Volts/1.5 Ohms = 2 Amps
Your supply when set to 5 Volts
5 Volts/1.5 Ohms = 3.33 Amps which exceedes the 2 amps that the power supply is rated at- the specs don't say what happens, but typically the voltage drops off because the circuit can't deliver the current- depending on the design you also are at risk for damaging the supply.
You should read through several of the articles at The ECF Library . There is some good info there on PV vs VG , cleaning your attys, as well as more detail about how these things actually work.
And keep asking questions...
see ya in a week.... lol.
i will have to digest that basic material.
again thanks so much. jimho
i will have to digest that basic material.
again thanks so much. jimho
jimho, I baaaack; you asked for it... what i get is that 5 is too much for the Lr's 510/306 attys.
What can i use on the 5v setting and will it simulate what; that i would be getting from a typical mod?
Or if from what i read, vapers are using 3.7 and 5 and 6 for most mods.
How does that compare to my power amp using the BB mod from altsmoke?
And what 510 attys would be used ?
What can i use on the 5v setting and will it simulate what; that i would be getting from a typical mod?
Or if from what i read, vapers are using 3.7 and 5 and 6 for most mods.
How does that compare to my power amp using the BB mod from altsmoke?
And what 510 attys would be used ?
I like to puff on my ego w/ a drip tip when I'm wandering about the house or on the computer. I switch to the ego w/ a 510 cartomizer in the car just because I don't like to drip and drive. At night I snuggle down with a good book and my 510 battery and a 510 cartomizer because the angle that I'm in while lying in bed is not the best for dripping either and the 510 battery is nice and light so I can hold it between my lips while I'm reading.
Yeah, I pretty much gave up on the whole atomizer bit pretty quickly but I keep the thought for another time maybe. As for the batteries, they're like tools; there's always going to be a situation when one's going to work better than the other for whatever you're trying to make them do. IMO.
Yeah, I pretty much gave up on the whole atomizer bit pretty quickly but I keep the thought for another time maybe. As for the batteries, they're like tools; there's always going to be a situation when one's going to work better than the other for whatever you're trying to make them do. IMO.
Yeah, I asked for it.. you can pay it back in a few months when the next guy asks you
... I'm going to answer but my advice to you and anyone new to this is to stick with the standard and eGo batteries for a while (at least a month) till you figure out how to make it work and find some juices you are happy with.. experiment with cartos, dripping, LR attys and different fillers etc till you find what suits your style best. Save playing with higher voltages once you've got a feel for vaping - consider some people stick with eGo's and even standard 510 set ups without ever messing with HV. The simple answer I already gave you- at 5V you should use a standard atty with your mod.
Fortunately my wife is traveling and I don't have any early meetings tomorrow so I can take some time to try and answer this without over complicating it .... the problem is there are buts and exceptions to everything..... with that in mind, here goes...
MODS
Mods are available to get all kinds of voltages- 3.7V is the most popular but more and more seem to be heaing to higher voltages. Batteries are available in 3V, 3.2V and 3.7V ratings (nominal values vary due to battery chemistry and battery protection). The biggest batteries with the largest power ratings and highest current drain ratings are at 3.7V. 5V has been available for quite some time primarily off of USB ports- 5V battery mods are available either from regulated stacked batteries or stacked batteries with a resistor in line with the atty (note these aren't really 5V- you can't get around Ohms law). 6V and 7.4V mods are also widely available usually by stacking 3V or 3.7V batteries - all can be had as flashlight mods as well as box mods with varying degrees of fit and finish, overload protection and regulator circuitry ....
Power and your sweet spot
Assuming you understood what I tried to explain before, the next thing you need to understand is where Power comes from and what it does....
Going back to my kitchen sink analogy it would be the volume of water per second that comes out of the faucet.
Mathematically
Power (Watts) = Voltage x Current ; OR apply Ohm's law and Power = Voltage * Voltage/Resistance = V2/R
The reason you need to know this is at some point you will find a sweet spot where you like to vape your particular juice(s)... that sweet spot is actually the power that your atty is burning at (for this discussion's purposes and practical purposes, the power that the atty consumes is the power it releases) ... From what I've read and discussed, most find in time that between 8 and 11 Watts works best for them- YMMV. Remember I said there were "buts", the cone on the eGo has an amplifying effect...
My sweet spot is 11 watts this week and I'm using a 3.5 ohm atty at 6V with juice mixed to stand up to that heat ... two weeks ago I was using different juice and 4.2 Ohm attys at 6V... if that breaks down or I don't want to lug my 6V mod with me, I'll easily go to my eGo with a 1.5 ohm atty (6.8 Watts) and still enjoy it with different juice ... as long as the cone is on.
Attys
So power is governed by voltage and resistance- Voltages are determined by your battery/power supply. 510 attys are widely available in the following resistances:
1.5, 2.6, 4.2 and more recently 2.0, 3.5 and 5.2 Ohms are starting to show up at some of the suppliers. Standard is 2.6 Ohms. ...But... I've also seen 1.7 Ohm- and others are available or can be custom ordered if you want to buy quantitys.... And there's cartos which come in lower than standard attys, and even LR cartos - I don't use them but some people swear by them....
The game here is finding an atty (or carto)/voltage combination that does not draw more current than your battery or supply can provide, and gets you to your sweet spot.
Which Atty to use
Lots of folks use LR attys with eGos and 3.7V sources - others find standard attys fine- you should not use a 1.5 LR atty with a standard battery- I'm not sure if 2 ohms exceeds the standard 510 battery's rating but should be fine with an eGo. Most of the vendors specifically recommend against using the LR atties above 3.7V.... At 5V (depending on your source) you can look at the standard attys or the 3.5 or even 4.2 if you want a cooler vape ... 6V is a bit much for a standard atty although some people who like tobacco flavors do it and they go through allot of attys - at 7.4V I'd say go with a 4.2 or 5.2 atty. Again, go back to the earlier info I put up and make sure your atty/battery combination doesn't draw more current than your battery can supply.... As you go up in voltage (5,6, 7.4V) you have to stack smaller batteries with lower capacity and lower discharge current - but you end up drawing less current to get the same power with higher attys and higher voltage - again, trade offs, buts, and alot to think about.....
If you got this far and you are still with me, congratulations- It's more info than should be in the newbie section and there is allot of other info I left out regarding battery selection that is definitely not appropriate to go into here, but you asked.
Last thing I'm going to torture you with is that there are a few newer mods out there with variable voltage settings and next month there will be more. So now you can make whatever you get from your batteries look like anything less than that... pick your atty- whatever you have on hand, dial in the voltage to get your sweet spot and as long as it doesn't draw more current than the battery can source (or blow the atty), you're good to go - ;-)
Comparing to 5V off a regulated power supply
Now with all of that in mind, how does all of that compare with your BB mod plugged into a $30 power supply that can be bought at Radio Shack and allows 3V or 5V at 2 Amps?
Well for starters, your power supply has to be plugged into a wall. that said, As long as your attys don't draw more than 2 Amps, compared to a battery powered device that doesn't have a built in voltage regulator (i'm assuming they did a reasonable job converting to DC) you'll get a more consistent experience plugged into the wall, and your batteries will never run dry - I bet you though I was goig to slam it. But try sticking it in your pocket and walking 5 feet from wherever you're plugged in.... Once you go to battery powered devices you generally will have trade offs for portability.
Now go read the library, and buy lots of juice samples and have fun playing with different attys and drip tips and cartos, and learn how to clean your attys etc ... there's no reason to buy a mod till you can get a consistent vape out of your eGo batteries and can pinpoint what you aren't getting out of it. And of course if you need help figuring out what's not working ask here.....
I'll be back tomorrow....
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too late jimho, I have a Big Brother VV from Ken's Box Mods in the mail...
At least a month ago I saw the advantages of VV and got on his list. this will have 2x 14500 batts and settings from 0 to 7 (?) .
So I'll have plenty to play with soon.
Although I have little interest at this point in anything over 5 v, and considering what you just wrote, it's a good thing! (reg. cartos at 3.7 are not bad, and i have a lr carto that's fun too).
It seems like for most rational people your advice is best and when forums tell newbies to read the battery encyclopedia or whatever it is, they aren't kidding. Yet some are just not equipped to understand the first thing about it...ahem... may just go out and take "street corner" advice and observe what others are doing so as not to miss out on a good time. For me I just take the good with the bad and chalk it up to my particular learning curve. It sure is fun and interesting both as it seems we are on the verge of lots of development to come in the vaping world.
You've given me plenty to think about. Thanks so much again.
At least a month ago I saw the advantages of VV and got on his list. this will have 2x 14500 batts and settings from 0 to 7 (?) .
So I'll have plenty to play with soon.
Although I have little interest at this point in anything over 5 v, and considering what you just wrote, it's a good thing! (reg. cartos at 3.7 are not bad, and i have a lr carto that's fun too).
It seems like for most rational people your advice is best and when forums tell newbies to read the battery encyclopedia or whatever it is, they aren't kidding. Yet some are just not equipped to understand the first thing about it...ahem... may just go out and take "street corner" advice and observe what others are doing so as not to miss out on a good time. For me I just take the good with the bad and chalk it up to my particular learning curve. It sure is fun and interesting both as it seems we are on the verge of lots of development to come in the vaping world.
You've given me plenty to think about. Thanks so much again.
Just got my ego yesterday and it makes my toes curl I love it so much. wish we had gotten it sooner.
I recently upgraded from a 510 to an eGo...love the eGo for all of the reasons mentioned, and use it all the time at home or in the car. But if I'm out at my favorite watering hole...I take the 510s, primarily because it doesn't look so weird.
The eGo is just the battery part of the e-cig. It's like a 510 on steroids and is compatible with all your 510 parts (atty's, carts, cartos).
*The atty (atomizer) is the part that heats up to vaporize the e-juice. If you use the atty, you must attach a cartridge (cart) to it - that's the part that holds the juice.
*OR you can use a cartomizer instead of both the atty and cart combo; a cartomizer (carto) is like an atomizer with a cartridge built in (or cartridge with an atomizer built in, if you prefer).
*The atty (atomizer) is the part that heats up to vaporize the e-juice. If you use the atty, you must attach a cartridge (cart) to it - that's the part that holds the juice.
*OR you can use a cartomizer instead of both the atty and cart combo; a cartomizer (carto) is like an atomizer with a cartridge built in (or cartridge with an atomizer built in, if you prefer).
I got a couple of the big batt Tornegos without the cone... and just a couple 510's (titan).
I am more used to using LR 510's but they hit a little harsh... i have to take short drags and they're ok.
I mostly drip.
I have a couple cartos LR and Reg, that hit pretty nice/ same thing, short draw on the LR or harsh.
Do you use the cone? does it make a difference?
With the reg atty, i guess it took na while to mellow out, and i have to put less drips...
do you all find the above the same?
I am more used to using LR 510's but they hit a little harsh... i have to take short drags and they're ok.
I mostly drip.
I have a couple cartos LR and Reg, that hit pretty nice/ same thing, short draw on the LR or harsh.
Do you use the cone? does it make a difference?
With the reg atty, i guess it took na while to mellow out, and i have to put less drips...
do you all find the above the same?
I don't use the cone (I like how it looks without it), I mostly drip, and honestly I can't tell the difference between the LR atty's and the other ones.
Awesome that you are passing it on, I am working on all the smokers (about 85% of my office) i work with right now. I am looking to upgrade as soon as v2cigs puts out their bigger model. Glad to hear its working out for you!
That used to be true, but now there are "eGo" named atties, carts, and cartos. Still using the 510 threads, so I suppose you could screw a 510 batt onto them. But it'd look kinda funny.
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