Thoughts on this Version 3 rumor?

[PLANofMAN]

Volts, watts, temperature. Semantics.

The ProVari could be programmed to display joules instead of volts, but it would perform the same way.

I don't see this as a game changer. If this is the direction evolv is going, it would appear to require a purpose built atty.

 

[jwbnyc]

Personally, the more bells and whistles the less interested I'm going to be when it does show up.

I like simple, even when it is merely the appearance of simplicity.

If they scooch the parameters a little bit: lower resistance allowance, higher amp limit, maybe better battery life; I'll be very, very, happy as long as they don't compromise the build.

It has to be tough and reliable, besides being safe.

If that is even the direction they have gone in.. who knows.

 

[Moonbogg]

That P3 is taking forever and a half isn't it?

 

[DPLongo22]

Just from a business standpoint, say your company is growing by manufacturing and selling a product that the critics are saying is outdated. So you come up with a new design that's current, but it costs 50 bucks more. You're already at the high end of the price scale for what it is. Would it make sense to drop a product that's in demand for an even more expensive one - rather than offer people who don't need those new added features a lower cost alternative?

Provape has a very simple business model. They make a safe, reliable, high quality product - and back it up with excellent customer support. They're not trying to appeal to the cloud chasing crowd, so they don't need to double the device's output. Just having what's considered the indusrty standard feature set, a little more power, and superior build quality and reliability is going to sell the v3.

They've also become their own worst enemy - because what they currently make is so good. They've got to watch the cost of the v3, or it won't sell. And if they cut corners to hold down the cost (like making it out of aluminum, or thinner stainless) they'd probably have a near revolt from the current customer base. After all, if I order a v3 it better be as nice as my previous ProVari.

So about all that leaves is an updated product that continues to do what its always done. Nothing radically different - these guys aren't very radical.

I like what you stated here, but agree with Ozwald that they are not dropping the V2.5. I also don't consider them at the high end of the price scale anymore. Other than that though, very well stated.

If the V3 is something revolutionary (and more power wouldn't be sufficient for my purposes), then I'll consider it. But my 2's aren't going anywhere.

 

[Riverboat]

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Will be wattage and a 24 watt max chip included.. From what I hear..

24 watts? Now would spell disaster for Provape after the long wait... With all the cloud chasers these days even the DNA30 chip is under powered for some.. (Not me)
Provape do it right, its time to rise to the top of the pack again

If the V3 is something revolutionary (and more power wouldn't be sufficient for my purposes), then I'll consider it. But my 2's aren't going anywhere.

I still own one Provari V2.5 and always thought I would never sell it...Its time though as I haven't used it in 6 months ever since I got my first DNA30 mod....

 

[Adrean]

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24 watts? Now would spell disaster for Provape after the long wait... With all the cloud chasers these days even the DNA30 chip is under powered for some.. (Not me)
Provape do it right, its time to rise to the top of the pack again

I still own one Provari V2.5 and always thought I would never sell it...Its time though as I haven't used it in 6 months ever since I got my first DNA30 mod....

I think anyone needing more than 30W is in the smallest minority of vapers. I own a dna30 device and never go higher than 17w with a .8 or .9ohm build. I think a 24W limit is a perfectly practical balance on Provape's part. Assuming they lower the ohm limit below 1.0 ohm a little, 24W will still provide some 'extreme' vaping for those who want it.

 

[Millah]

Volts, watts, temperature. Semantics.

The ProVari could be programmed to display joules instead of volts, but it would perform the same way.

I don't see this as a game changer. If this is the direction evolv is going, it would appear to require a purpose built atty.

No offense, but you were probably the type of person who would have said "MSDOS can do everything Macintosh/Windows can do, I don't need a mouse and fancy little icons to use a computer." Believe me, there were a lot of traditionalists when the PC world moved from command line to graphical user interface who decried the change calling it a gimmick. Turned out to be the most significant step the computer industry ever took, and opened up computing to the masses.

One important thing you aren't considering when you discount innovations like VW or Evolv's supposed temp board, is accessibility. YOU may be an expert in fine tuning your Provari to particular voltages with particular resistances. But a novice doesn't have a clue what any of these things mean. VW made that much more accessible, and temp control has the potential to make it even more accessible. Technology is supposed to make things easier and reduce to cognitive overhead. When technology can get out of the way and allow someone to just accomplish what they want to accomplish without mastering intricate details, that's called progress.

 

[Train2]

I dunno, for me, with VV I turn it up a little or turn it down a little. With VW, I turn it up a little or turn it down a little.

Now, the device controlling by coil temp might make a functional difference, in that it would be a step closer to directly controlling the VAPOR...but it's still not going to know my surface area or coil composition or anything about my liquid. Bottom line - I'll still probably have to turn it up or down a little.
I don't think it's any more accessible, really.
I agree though - the typical user needs to have the technology out of the way - they just want to...well, turn it up or down a little.

Most of the complexities that could be revolutionary if simplified I think are in juice delivery.
I know when I started, I didn't want to mess with wire and wick (heck, I still don't really LIKE to, but I do it).

No offense, but you were probably the type of person who would have said "MSDOS can do everything Macintosh/Windows can do, I don't need a mouse and fancy little icons to use a computer." Believe me, there were a lot of traditionalists when the PC world moved from command line to graphical user interface who decried the change calling it a gimmick. Turned out to be the most significant step the computer industry ever took, and opened up computing to the masses.

One important thing you aren't considering when you discount innovations like VW or Evolv's supposed temp board, is accessibility. YOU may be an expert in fine tuning your Provari to particular voltages with particular resistances. But a novice doesn't have a clue what any of these things mean. VW made that much more accessible, and temp control has the potential to make it even more accessible. Technology is supposed to make things easier and reduce to cognitive overhead. When technology can get out of the way and allow someone to just accomplish what they want to accomplish without mastering intricate details, that's called progress.

 

[Trypno]

That P3 is taking forever and a half isn't it?

You can't rush perfection.

 

[Trypno]

No offense, but you were probably the type of person who would have said "MSDOS can do everything Macintosh/Windows can do, I don't need a mouse and fancy little icons to use a computer." Believe me, there were a lot of traditionalists when the PC world moved from command line to graphical user interface who decried the change calling it a gimmick. Turned out to be the most significant step the computer industry ever took, and opened up computing to the masses.

One important thing you aren't considering when you discount innovations like VW or Evolv's supposed temp board, is accessibility. YOU may be an expert in fine tuning your Provari to particular voltages with particular resistances. But a novice doesn't have a clue what any of these things mean. VW made that much more accessible, and temp control has the potential to make it even more accessible. Technology is supposed to make things easier and reduce to cognitive overhead. When technology can get out of the way and allow someone to just accomplish what they want to accomplish without mastering intricate details, that's called progress.

I was essentially a Newbie when I got my ProVari. I remembered enough about electricity from science classes in High School to know that an OHM is a unit of resistance, and the lower the number, the less resistance, and vice versa. I knew that a lower resistance coil would need less power, and a higher resistance coil would need more power.

Other than that, I really haven't bothered with mathematics and the like unless I really want to know what wattage I'm cranking at. Even then, I might be doing that math wrong.

I just adjust my ProVari to taste, if I have it too high and it starts to taste burnt, I know enough from reading the forums to know that I need to back off the voltage. If my tank is flooding, not vaping, and the flavor is muted, I know I need to up the voltage. Plain and simple. Easy Peasy Lemon Cheesy Squeeze.

To me, the ability to change the wattage is just the same as changing the voltage. They don't do the same thing of course, but they essentially function the same way, only you change your wattage and tell people what wattage you're at, I change my voltage and tell them what voltage I'm at.

Having both modes doesn't seem that necessary to me. But if I wanted both modes, or wanted to change my wattage for whatever reason (my ProVari does that for me automatically when I change the voltage), I would just go out and pick up an iTaste MVP 2.0, which I already owned one of before buying the ProVari.

There are devices coming out, from what I hear, that allow you to vary the Amperage. To me that seems like a recipe for disaster. If I remember correctly, the Amperage is the amount of electrical PRESSURE flowing through a circuit. More pressure, the faster it flows. It would seem to me like you're just asking to blow something up by giving someone the ability to change their amperage. But I'm not an electrician, just a vape enthusiast, so I don't really know anything.

But I really don't think the P3 will include it. But if they do, I'm sure it'll still be under the simple one button menu.

 

[slappy3139]

At the end of the day, every mod uses batteries which provide a voltage, so no matter what units you adjust on whatever the chip uses, it adjusts the voltage. No way to get around the fact it is input voltage that gets adjusted after all the math equations are worked out.

 

[swoody]

That P3 is taking forever and a half isn't it?

I had just spoke with someone at Provape, and they had mentioned keeping an eye on their Facebook page for an announcement coming up *very* soon. They also suggested keeping an eye on pbusardo's YouTube channel as he may or may not be releasing a review vid on a new device ..

" If you know who he is, then I'm sure you probably know what I'm talking about. I'd be very curious to see what he'll be reviewing next. "

 

[Moonbogg]

I had just spoke with someone at Provape, and they had mentioned keeping an eye on their Facebook page for an announcement coming up *very* soon. They also suggested keeping an eye on pbusardo's YouTube channel as he may or may not be releasing a review vid on a new device ..

" If you know who he is, then I'm sure you probably know what I'm talking about. I'd be very curious to see what he'll be reviewing next. "

Any idea where I can get replacement F5 buttons for my keyboard? I might need some since this one won't last long after your post.

 

[swoody]

Any idea where I can get replacement F5 buttons for my keyboard? I might need some since this one won't last long after your post.

I've got a browser plugin just for this type of thing

 

[Moonbogg]

Also, its not fair to expect you or anyone to know when the announcement will be made, but I assume *very* soon means sometime this year? When you've been working on a product for 3 years, releasing it in a couple months could easily be seen as *very* soon. To me, that's a disgusting eternity.

 

[twizted]

I had just spoke with someone at Provape, and they had mentioned keeping an eye on their Facebook page for an announcement coming up *very* soon. They also suggested keeping an eye on pbusardo's YouTube channel as he may or may not be releasing a review vid on a new device ..

" If you know who he is, then I'm sure you probably know what I'm talking about. I'd be very curious to see what he'll be reviewing next. "

Of course they're gonna say watch their Facebook page. They would've told you that 6 months ago.

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[tearose50]

Maybe Provape will run a contest -- and everyone who gets the right release date will win one.

 

[Moonbogg]

Well I'm kind of in the market for a higher powered device to go with a nice dripper. That Taifun Eye looks really nice and theres also the Dani...but that Eye. Damn. That's nice looking. Also, I have 500,000 friends that are also going to purchase an Eye if Provape doesn't release the P3 like RIGHT NOW!

 

[Millah]

I dunno, for me, with VV I turn it up a little or turn it down a little. With VW, I turn it up a little or turn it down a little.

Now, the device controlling by coil temp might make a functional difference, in that it would be a step closer to directly controlling the VAPOR...but it's still not going to know my surface area or coil composition or anything about my liquid. Bottom line - I'll still probably have to turn it up or down a little.
I don't think it's any more accessible, really.
I agree though - the typical user needs to have the technology out of the way - they just want to...well, turn it up or down a little.

Most of the complexities that could be revolutionary if simplified I think are in juice delivery.
I know when I started, I didn't want to mess with wire and wick (heck, I still don't really LIKE to, but I do it).

I'm not saying that technology innovation will eliminate the need to turn it up or turn it down. What I'm saying, is VW simplified the whole equation to a novice. With VV, you have to understand ohms and how applied voltage leads to power output. Most novices will think "well, 3.7 volts is 3.7 volts." They don't understand that the REAL output is actually the power/watts, and that volts means very little without factoring resistance. With VW, that whole thing is simplified, you simply set the power output, which is the end goal to begin with. The device monitors resistance, and adjusts voltage accordingly. So a novice won't get themselves into trouble or wonder why a device is performing differently when they go unknowingly go from a 2.8 ohm load to a 1.5 ohm load.

LIke I said, a novice to vaping and electronics doesn't know what ohms law is. I sure as hell didn't understand everything when I started vaping several years ago. And my girlfriend who was also new had a hard time wrapping her head around "lower ohm lower voltage, higher ohm higher voltage"

Its very easy for us veterans to look at vaping from our own point of view and say "its easy, you just turn it up or down according to taste." Its MUCH more daunting to a person who's never even SEEN a mod before, and only knows vaping by the cigalikes. When I started vaping, everything was very overwhelming and it was hard to find a starting point.

And I agree, juice delivery is probably the biggest obstacle and the next area for reinvention. We're starting to see some interesting experiments in this, with that Indiegogo campaign for the Evoke product which uses induction heating instead of the typical resistance wire. However, I think it will be hard to top the performance and reliability of the current wick/resistance wire method. The induction heating didn't seem to be as instantaneous, and it seems like it will be more difficult to design a tank system as reliable and well-performing as the current tanks. I'm sure somebody will eventually crack the code and design a juice delivery system that is better, but I think we're still a ways off from that.

 

[vlodato]

Don't think this was mentioned but I also think vw is not important because of the simple fact I still have to adjust the watts when I use a different atty. A genny, a kayfun, a dripper, a protank/nautilus all taste different at the same wattage. 24 watts is plenty if you are above 1 ohm. And if your below 1 ohm why the hell would you want to be on a regulated device. Every keeps saying 30 watts is needed but I actually feel down stepping voltage is way more important then 6 extra watts. I rather have the ability to vape at 3.8 volts on a fully charged battery. Something you can't do on a DNA 30. Which I think most people don't realize. Also ego threading is on its way out imo. Now most things charge off USB. besides evod and mini protanks is there even ego cleros available anymore.

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