Throat hit..Atty or Batty?

[jondele]

So i have a 901 and a 510. throat hit on the 510 is massive, nearlly burns my throat. the 901 is very very smooth and more flavor, almost same amount of vapor. im leaning towards the 901 now, but one question

i plan on buying a protege, which u can select which adapter u like better..but what gives the hit? the battey voltage or the atomizer?

 

[miketr]

Well, all you are going to get in response to this is opinions, mostly real strong ones , but I am sorry to say that there is no definite answer.

And I don't know anything about proteges, but I have a 901 and a 510, and I've read a lot on the forums and done a lot of personal experimentation, so my opinionated answer is neither, directly. But the simple response is that for a particular eliquid, you get more throat hit with a 510. Perhaps you can just go with that.

IN my opinion, the amount of biochemically available nicotine (no, I don't really know what that means, lol) in a mouthful of vapor is primarily what determines the strength of the throat and nose hit. I assume also that the warmth of that vapor might affect throat hit somewhat, warmer vapor making the nicotine more available chemically. The 510 atty runs hotter than the 901 with their standard batteries, but I don't know what the difference would be on a protege. Others will need to chime in with that info.

And voltage and atomizer design can both affect the amount of nicotine in the vapor, as can the eLiquid to atomizer delivery method (cart design and mods/cart filler/dripping/dipping/etc)

For example, higher battery voltage = hotter atomizer = thicker vapor = more nicotine in a mouthful of vapor = more nicotine per mouthful = more throat hit.

And the atomizer's design affects how well it wicks eLiquid to the coil = more liquid on coil = thicker vapor... etc.

So additionally, the method of delivering the eLiquid to the atomizer has an effect - hence the proponents of dipping and dripping, the surest methods of maximizing the amount of eLiquid going to the coil.

I hope that is a good starting point for discussion of this topic

 

[Scottbee]

The 901 and the 510 run the same battery voltage. With the right adapter, you can put your 510 battery on the 901 and your 901 battery on your 510. What you would discover is that it's the 510 atty that is giving you the throat hit. The 510 atty runs a lower resistance, which means it draws more power and runs "hotter". The 510 atty also runs the supplemental wick, that draws liquid directly from the bridge to the coil. The 901 doesn't have these features....

 

[miketr]

I didn't know about the supplemental wick on the 510! Is that the white material that runs through the coil? So does that go all the way up to the atty wick, sort of a turbo-boosting of the wicking to the coil by providing a more direct path to it?

 

[emus]

My 510 sometimes burns my throat when I use the cart.
I believe the burn is caused by a semi-dry atty.
I direct drip most of the time; this seems to eliminate the burn.

 

[Houdini]

.... The 510 atty also runs the supplemental wick, that draws liquid directly from the bridge to the coil. The 901 doesn't have these features....

ALL atomizers have a wick in the coil.

 

[Scottbee]

ALL atomizers have a wick in the coil.

Ahem....

But I believe only the 510 routes a SUPPLEMENTAL wick from the coil up to the atty bridge.

I know that my 901 and M702 do not have this feature... and I didn't see it in any of the pictures of other models that have had their attys dissected.

 

[Scottbee]

I didn't know about the supplemental wick on the 510! Is that the white material that runs through the coil? So does that go all the way up to the atty wick, sort of a turbo-boosting of the wicking to the coil by providing a more direct path to it?

Yes... exactly.

 

[doots]

get the device you want and buy some adapters to use other attys. solves your whole problem of what or when to use. altsmoke and nerf sell them.

 

[Houdini]

Ahem....

But I believe only the 510 routes a SUPPLEMENTAL wick from the coil up to the atty bridge.

I know that my 901 and M702 do not have this feature... and I didn't see it in any of the pictures of other models that have had their attys dissected.

Sorry, I misread your original post.

 

[miketr]

Thanks for the confirmation, Scottbee. I really find the details of how eCigs work really interesting. I think they are technologically in their infancy; given 10 or 20 years, I am guessing there will be models out with incredible performance compared to what we have today. Probably, maybe, even in five years. Who knows what they'll come up with?

 

[Kent C]

So i have a 901 and a 510. throat hit on the 510 is massive, nearlly burns my throat. the 901 is very very smooth and more flavor, almost same amount of vapor. im leaning towards the 901 now, but one question

i plan on buying a protege, which u can select which adapter u like better..but what gives the hit? the battey voltage or the atomizer?

The protege has the same voltage as the 901 and 510 batts, but it has longer battery life and will hold top voltage longer and that will affect 'hit'. Since you like the flavor of the 901 already, you might go with that.

I find that the 510 enhances some flavors - tobacco based, coffee, capp., menthol, and others where the fruit flavors taste better on my 801 Janty STick and likely would be in the 901 as well.

Note to AshHole:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...lavour-recommendations-please.html#post700938

I don't say this to 'challenge masculinity' ;-) It's just my subjective observations and other 510 users' comments that certain flavors are enhanced by the heat and some are not. I really enjoy Drew's Blueberry Crumble and Banana Creme Surprise... but in the 801 not the 510 ;-)

I'd say this to anyone who holds flavor over other considerations with an ecig:

IF you've tried a few different ones, stick with the one that enhances flavor best.

IF you are still deciding, if you think that you'll like the tobacco/coffee/cappuccino/RY4 type flavors better - the 510 can enhance those well. If you're more interested in the fruit flavors or vanilla, chocolate, etc. get a 901 or 801 preferably with a manual batt so you can drip if you want.

For my tastes, that's the 510 in most cases and why my protege will have that as a default atty but I also got an 801 adapter.
With either style you won't totally lose the taste of either type of flavor - there are more reports of loss of taste in some of the higher voltage mods where the solution has been Drew's HV juice, special 'Screwdriver' juice, and double flavored juices.

 

[miketr]

"challenge masculinity" in reference to flavors totally cracks me up. Not that I'm going to go out and buy one of those pink 4075's, necessarily.
Interesting observation about the 510 enhancing certain flavors, I was going on very limited experience with the idea that it generally increased throat hit but had less flavor than, say, a 901 (I'm talking about a base configuration, as I mentioned I have no experience with mods like the protege). I will have to do some experimentation.

 

[Kent C]

miketr says:
"challenge masculinity" in reference to flavors totally cracks me up. Not that I'm going to go out and buy one of those pink 4075's, necessarily.

Did you read AshHole's post?

Interesting observation about the 510 enhancing certain flavors, I was going on very limited experience with the idea that it generally increased throat hit but had less flavor than, say, a 901 (I'm talking about a base configuration, as I mentioned I have no experience with mods like the protege). I will have to do some experimentation.

I figure it's like food - some taste better hot, some cold... then there's pizza ;-)

 

[miketr]

Yes, I did read the post, I understood, just mentioning it's a funny idea to me.

 

[Kent C]

Yes, I did read the post, I understood, just mentioning it's a funny idea to me.

True. lol. I enjoyed his post, though. Hope he sees this one.

 

[AshHole]

Great. Now I am out of the closet.... and everyone has this picture of me flitting around like this my wife is going to have a heyday...

 

[AshHole]

try and get that image out of your head.

 

[Kent C]

try and get that image out of your head.

Lol.... Someone take his shovel away