time for americans to unite??

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Cymri

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Yes we do BUT it's important to realize that the "nanny state" in the US has become so entrenched that it's almost impossible to make an argument based on "my body, my right." They are sure we are not capable of deciding for ourselves.

The best way I can see this thing going is for it to become too big too fast for the FDA to ever effectively shut it down. Right now the FDA has an advantage toward gaining control of it because all of our equipment is coming in through customs from China. All they have to do is seize it.

In my opinion, we REALLY need some US manufacturers to begin making vaporizers. That would solve the customs bottleneck issue and allow this thing to keep going until we might actually have the numbers to make a difference.
 

outofstep

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The FDA regulations do not surprise me one bit. Who gains from e-smoking and who loses? The individual gains but I can see how this this would be a huge threat for major firms.

Let me just state that I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but I do think there are crooked members in our government, and firms will use those members for their own economic gain. Its just a matter of incentives and as an Econ major I know that incentives is truly what makes the world go round.

Who are the big players here and what to they stand to lose? I'll mention a couple, and hopefully you guys could give some input.

Big Tobacco Companies are first. E-cigarette smoking is unregulated thus making the market much more competitive. They'd have tough time competing with a form of nicotine administration that is much healthier than smoking. Also, it compete with their nicotine replacement therapy products which if you don't know by now is also owned by tobacco companies.

Tobacco growers also stand to lose. There would be less demand for tobacco if could be synthesized cheaper from a lab. The farming industry is heavily subsidized and I'm sure they have the money to influence Congress as much as they can through lobbying.

I think its our responsibility as e-smokers to do our part in doing what we can to protect our right and its the responsibility of the suppliers and distributors to do what they can so they can stay in business.

Our best bet would to create a group to lobby in Congress.

Like someone else mentioned, the hands off my body approach will not work unless we can get a Congressman to initiate legislation to protect our rights. I think Congressman Ron Paul would be our strongest ally for this approach. He has a strong following that are pro-liberty supporters and I'm sure we could get a nice petition list going with their help.

We will have to come up with some solid reasons as to why a ban or restriction should not be placed. Anybody got any ideas?
 

JJames68

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The FDA regulations do not surprise me one bit. Who gains from e-smoking and who loses? The individual gains but I can see how this this would be a huge threat for major firms.

Let me just state that I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but I do think there are crooked members in our government, and firms will use those members for their own economic gain. Its just a matter of incentives and as an Econ major I know that incentives is truly what makes the world go round.

Who are the big players here and what to they stand to lose? I'll mention a couple, and hopefully you guys could give some input.

Big Tobacco Companies are first. E-cigarette smoking is unregulated thus making the market much more competitive. They'd have tough time competing with a form of nicotine administration that is much healthier than smoking. Also, it compete with their nicotine replacement therapy products which if you don't know by now is also owned by tobacco companies.

Tobacco growers also stand to lose. There would be less demand for tobacco if could be synthesized cheaper from a lab. The farming industry is heavily subsidized and I'm sure they have the money to influence Congress as much as they can through lobbying.

I think its our responsibility as e-smokers to do our part in doing what we can to protect our right and its the responsibility of the suppliers and distributors to do what they can so they can stay in business.

Our best bet would to create a group to lobby in Congress.

Like someone else mentioned, the hands off my body approach will not work unless we can get a Congressman to initiate legislation to protect our rights. I think Congressman Ron Paul would be our strongest ally for this approach. He has a strong following that are pro-liberty supporters and I'm sure we could get a nice petition list going with their help.

We will have to come up with some solid reasons as to why a ban or restriction should not be placed. Anybody got any ideas?

Obama is a smoker, would be nice if he would convert to e-cigs, that would be a big help imo
 

VapeAllDay

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Obama is a smoker, would be nice if he would convert to e-cigs, that would be a big help imo


Could you imagine when Obama's e-cig breaks like all of ours. 30 Secret Service agents how up to Puresmoker's warehouse to get Obama a fix. If he does start smoking e-cigs, I sure hope he has patience!

Ohh even better, Obama could do e-cig reviews for us. :shock:
 

Legato525

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I am not getting political here and just stateing fact. The US democrats believe in regulating most industries. With the democrats in power we are much more likely to see fda regulations. Also, I know a lot of people use the 36mg liquids, but I believe the fda is much more likely to regulate with such high nicotine levels. By the way I am registered non partison and hold no political affeliation.
 

KDMickey

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I've been thinking about this a lot lately... and I think I have an idea. If we do not push the nic fluids, they can't touch us. So, I think it's pretty simple. All suppliers in the U.S. stop carrying all fluids except the 0 nicotine. I know it sucks, but the nicotine is the only thing that gives the FDA an excuse to regulate. We can order our nic from Europe and Canada. They can't touch us if we fly over the radar with only the no-nic fluids, then we can continue to fly under the radar with our nic fluids in the form of individual orders.
 

outofstep

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I was thinking about that as well. If marijuana paraphernalia sellers can get away with selling them as tobacco pipes(most of time til Fed Raid), why not relabel e-cigarettes as flavor vapers or something of that effect?

Probably won't happen now, but if e-cigs are banned then I could see this happening. Nicotine juice is what will be harder to find in this situation, but just look at all the overseas pharmacies that exist for prescription drugs but don't require a prescription. Its pretty easy to buy them and worst case scenario for the transaction is seizure from customs.

When the FDA regulates tobacco then they will be caught in the exact same spot as perscription drugs unless they schedule it as a controlled substance, and they can't do this because that would hurt the tobacco industry.

In the end I think its to our advantage to have the FDA regulate nicotine than Congress passing a ban on e-liquid for this very reason.

A ban on liquid nicotine and e-cigarettes will not be the end of the world IMO, it will just take some creativity by the suppliers to get through the holes in the system.
 

green-lantern

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I am not getting political here and just stateing fact. The US democrats believe in regulating most industries. With the democrats in power we are much more likely to see fda regulations. Also, I know a lot of people use the 36mg liquids, but I believe the fda is much more likely to regulate with such high nicotine levels. By the way I am registered non partison and hold no political affeliation.


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We really need some good testing to show that this is safer than analog cigarettes. I think one of the main ways to stop them is to have the hard evidence and to claim that they would be taking the rubber knife from the serial killer and replacing it with the real knife. I mean how in the hell can you justify selling the ones that they know will kill you and banning the ones that appear to be as safe as coffee!
 
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