Time To Decide / BLOOG or RIVA 510

[wv2win]

.......Yeah right, when I went in person to Volcano and actually saw and handled it, I was like WTH? I'm not walking around with some high tech magic marker or super giant push pop thing and vaping it in public. NO way!!! Sorry but I just don't feel comfortable with something that big in public.........

If your number one concern is how you look to other people and what they think of you, why not just use an M401/402 which looks almost identical to a cigarette? Then people can think you still smoke. Maybe we need a new sub-forum on ECF called: "I'm I cool, like the Marlboro Man?"

 

[swedishfish]

To answer the OPs question, out of the 2 selected, I would go with the Bloog Maxxfusion.

The Bloog kr808-d1 with Cartomizer vs a Riva 510 using carts is a no brainer to me in terms of ease of use. The Bloog comes with cartomizers, and the Riva 510 lite kit comes with 2 atomizers and 10 carts. With a cart and atomizer setup you will be dealing with juice leaking, inconsistent juice feed and occasional dry hits, not to mention the problems you will experience if you get the atomizer too hot.

With the Bloog and a two piece system, you don't have these issues. Plus refilling a carto is very simple and virtually hassle free compared to refilling a 510 carto.

On the downside, Battery life is shorter than the RIVA. But thats what the PCC is for.

Now, some people have recommended the Volt which I also own and use along with the Bloog. Some people say its the same because they look the same, but I must disagree based on my own findings.

If I fill both a blank bloog carto and a blank smokeless image carto with the exact same e-liquid (BWB Malty Toffee 30pg/70vg) and vape it, it tastes different and battery life is different as well. The Bloog carto ohmed out at 2.66. Battery straight off the charger at 3.71 and under load at 3.61. The smokeless image carto ohmed out at 2.15. Battery off the charger at 4.29 and under load at 3.6 The battery on the bloog lasted a little under 2 hours. I got a little over an hour out of the smokeless image volt. What is even stranger is that there were no wicking issues with the volt cartomizer, But with the Bloog I would get an occasional dry hit under the same approximate usage.

The Bloog and the Volt may look alike, but in my opinion, do not perform the same.

The volt is a decent kit for the price if you choose it as an alternate to the Bloog.

You really think it's worth $30 more to get a kit that has a battery that lasts 5 less hours?

How exactly is it easier to fill a KR808 carto compared to a 510 carto? It's virtually an identical process.

 

[hawkfire1]

If your number one concern is how you look to other people and what they think of you, why not just use an M401/402 which looks almost identical to a cigarette? Then people can think you still smoke. Maybe we need a new sub-forum on ECF called: "I'm I cool, like the Marlboro Man?"

This kind of UNNECESSARY comment illustrates my point perfectly.

I fail to see what bearing your comment has to do with the OPS topic. If you have an issue with my post, either take it to pm or if you don't have anything productive to add, why not move on?

What is sad is that it is EXACTLY this type of comment that makes people like me uncomfortable. And making someone uncomfortable in a forum that's supposed to SUPPORT people why are trying to either quit, reduce or find a smoking alternative isn't a smart or considerate thing to do.

You know, when people are trying to get and stay off the analogs, wouldn't you agree that the best chance of success is to use whatever equipment you are comfortable using regardless of the reason WHY you are using it?

 

[hawkfire1]

You really think it's worth $30 more to get a kit that has a battery that lasts 5 less hours?

How exactly is it easier to fill a KR808 carto compared to a 510 carto? It's virtually an identical process.

If you read what the OP asked and compared what was in both kits then I still stand by what i said. What is the point of having a battery last 5, 10 or 20 hours more if you cannot get a consistent or reliable vape with the rest of the included hardware? The Liberty Flights kit the op is asking about comes with atomizer and cartridges. Let's be real here, Even the much maligned Blu L888b uses cartomizers now.

Battery life alone doesn't justify 30 dollars cheaper if the item isn't usable for its intended purpose.

Now for me it's much easier to fill a Bloog Maxxfusion or Volt carto since there is no dissasembly involved. Either carto fill from the bottom or direct drip straight from the bottle through the mouthpiece or if I am bored through the breather hole underneath and then gently blow out excess juice and wipe the battery connector clean. Very simple.

510 carto refill now.... remove mouthpiece, fill syringe, inject carto, hold both ends and do the voodoo dance (taryn spin) fill more, reassemble. blow through, clean battery contact, stick on battery and PRAY you don't get a burnt taste when you start vaping it. Only 510 cartos that were easy to fill for me were the ones with the polar bear on the box and the dual coil ones.

But since the 510 cartos are not a part of the kits the OP is asking about, it sorta makes it a moot point.

Don't you agree?

 

[Uncle Willie]

another copy of my original post .. just to refresh what I'm thinking for everyone ..

After considerable reading and study, I have finally decided on upgrading my NJOY .. it's boiling down to

BLOOG Maxx Fusion Deluxe Starter kit and a pack of Cartos (BloogPlanet) .. or

Riva 510 - Lite Bundle .. (LibertyFlights) and a pack of Boge Cartos ..

Still undecided on flavors .. tried a cherry from UnrealCigs and kinda liked it ..

Help me decide between the two and feel free to recommend some flavors as well from either of these sellers .. I'd like to get the flavors at the same place and save a little shipping ..

 

[Uncle Willie]

I really do appreciate all the suggestions .. and I planned on buying cartomizers with my new hardware as I mentioned in my first post

 

[swedishfish]

No I don't. I don't understand what your talking about. You can buy a box of cartos or get the ego carto kit that comes with cartomizers.

What kind of 510 carto did you need a syringe to fill? Where did you ever hear that an ego gives an inconsistant vape?
I researched pvs for about 6 months before I ever bought one and not once did I ever hear that you got an inconsistant vape with an ego. You want to point me to a post that says that?

We don't want to give out bad information here to the newbies so if you've seen that posted somewhere that a 510 cart is difficult to fill or that an ego gives an inconsistant vape, please post the link.

 

[swedishfish]

I really do appreciate all the suggestions .. and I planned on buying cartomizers with my new hardware as I mentioned in my first post

Great! Best of luck with it.

 

[wv2win]

This kind of UNNECESSARY comment illustrates my point perfectly.

I fail to see what bearing your comment has to do with the OPS topic. If you have an issue with my post, either take it to pm or if you don't have anything productive to add, why not move on?

What is sad is that it is EXACTLY this type of comment that makes people like me uncomfortable. And making someone uncomfortable in a forum that's supposed to SUPPORT people why are trying to either quit, reduce or find a smoking alternative isn't a smart or considerate thing to do.

You know, when people are trying to get and stay off the analogs, wouldn't you agree that the best chance of success is to use whatever equipment you are comfortable using regardless of the reason WHY you are using it?

I was reacting to this comment by you, "some high tech magic marker or super giant push pop thing". When you disparage the appearance of a higher end device in a condescending manner, you are doing exactly the same thing you say you don't like, which is making people feel uncomfortable but in this case, about using a PV that does not look like a cigarette. So walk the talk or keep it to yourself.

 

[hawkfire1]

No I don't. I don't understand what your talking about. You can buy a box of cartos or get the ego carto kit that comes with cartomizers.

What kind of 510 carto did you need a syringe to fill? Where did you ever hear that an ego gives an inconsistant vape?
I researched pvs for about 6 months before I ever bought one and not once did I ever hear that you got an inconsistant vape with an ego. You want to point me to a post that says that?

We don't want to give out bad information here to the newbies so if you've seen that posted somewhere that a 510 cart is difficult to fill or that an ego gives an inconsistant vape, please post the link.

hello,

Did you actually read the ops original post?

Perhaps you are confusing cartridges and cartomizers. I addressed the strong points and the weaknesses of the kits the OP is asking about. Not the extras as in the boge cartomizers or the extra for the Riva 510 or the Bloog Maxxfusion ones.

Also, I have the PVs I am speaking of and I am relating my experiences with them. By the way, The topic is a Riva 510 which is a 3.7v regulated 510 battery. The Ego is a 3.2v regulated 510 battery. Get your facts straight . Furthermore, I never wrote anything like this. "Where did you ever hear that an ego gives an inconsistant vape?" uhm, where did this come from?

How did my post about the Riva 510 turn into an Ego?

Please don't try to admonish me when all you are doing is clouding the issue.

If I am so mistaken about cartomizers and fillling, please explain to me how to fill a 510 cartomizer and how to fill a 510 cartridge.

Perhaps you have a better technique than I do and I could learn something new.

But then again, you seem hell bent to prove a point that I believe you are misunderstanding.

If you are so inclined, please enlighten me.

 

[swedishfish]

Lets take a look at the post again.

After considerable reading and study, I have finally decided on upgrading my NJOY .. it's boiling down to

BLOOG Maxx Fusion Deluxe Starter kit and a pack of Cartos (BloogPlanet) .. or

Riva 510 - Lite Bundle .. (LibertyFlights) and a pack of Boge Cartos ..

Still undecided on flavors .. tried a cherry from UnrealCigs and kinda liked it ..

Help me decide between the two and feel free to recommend some flavors as well from either of these sellers .. I'd like to get the flavors at the same place and save a little shipping ..

I've got to stop procrastinating and I've got to break away from the ECF site .. for a while anyway .. don't know how much time I've spent here, but it's a lot ..

Help a Brother out ..

I never said anything about volts just that the battery lasts longer and the unit is cheaper. I don't want to have an ecig dual. If it was me and I was new and didn't care about how the unit looked. I'd get the cheaper kit. You're not giving up anything getting the cheaper kit in fact you're saving money and have a longer lasting battery.

 

[Uncle Willie]

I'm a man in my late 50's and I'm not worried about making a fashion statement, so size does not matter in this case .. .. I want something durable, that has a proven track record, parts are easy to find and provides a good TH and will work with a cartomizer .. the Riva 510 and the BLOOG both seem to fit that description .. what they look like, I don't care .. but I don't want to spend a ton of money either ..

I've used an NJOY now for over 60 days, no analogs .. so I'm wanting to move to the next level, since vaping (I don't like that word) .. seems to be working for me ..

 

[want to quit]

I personally would go with Bloog but both units are great and different. I ended up selling my Riva and used Bloog only bacause I still liked to have a cig shaped unit in my hand. They offer both a manual and auto bat and to me the vapor you get out of them is the best Kr808 you will find anywhere.

 

[swedishfish]

I'm a man in my late 50's and I'm not worried about making a fashion statement, so size does not matter in this case .. .. I want something durable, that has a proven track record, parts are easy to find and provides a good TH and will work with a cartomizer .. the Riva 510 and the BLOOG both seem to fit that description .. what they look like, I don't care .. but I don't want to spend a ton of money either ..

I've used an NJOY now for over 60 days, no analogs .. so I'm wanting to move to the next level, since vaping (I don't like that word) .. seems to be working for me ..

Some people are very insistent when they start that they want something that looks like a cig or the size of a cig. If that's not an issue, you're options are open. My Mom was like that. I'm not saying the smaller pvs are bad. I have one that I use if I'm going out or want something small. The ego is a good value for the money and if you decide you don't like to vape you're not out a lot of money.

 

[swedishfish]

I personally would go with Bloog but both units are great and different. I ended up selling my Riva and used Bloog only bacause I still liked to have a cig shaped unit in my hand. They offer both a manual and auto bat and to me the vapor you get out of them is the best Kr808 you will find anywhere.

Then that's ideal for you. I researched the Bloog when I was getting one for my mom. I got one a little cheaper from V4L which she still likes. I didn't know if she'd even like vaping. She now uses the Riva mostly but still uses the KR808.

Nothing wrong with having more than one.

 

[want to quit]

I'm a man in my late 50's and I'm not worried about making a fashion statement, so size does not matter in this case .. .. I want something durable, that has a proven track record, parts are easy to find and provides a good TH and will work with a cartomizer .. the Riva 510 and the BLOOG both seem to fit that description .. what they look like, I don't care .. but I don't want to spend a ton of money either ..

I've used an NJOY now for over 60 days, no analogs .. so I'm wanting to move to the next level, since vaping (I don't like that word) .. seems to be working for me ..

If you have or still smoke cigarettes I highly recommend you to go with Bloog. When I started I got a Ego and a Reo both are great PV's, however, the issue for me was I still needed a freaking cigarette in my hand and the only thing that helped me was Bloog. The cartos are unbeatable really the vapor production is amazing and TH depends of course on what juice you are getting.

Also if you want to try it out before spending big cash just get a bat, usb charger, and a pack of cartos for a total of $30 and if you like it you can buy more. If you want to save some cash use my code "HIGH09" for 10% off your first order.

 

[want to quit]

Then that's ideal for you. I researched the Bloog when I was getting one for my mom. I got one a little cheaper from V4L which she still likes. She now uses the Riva mostly but still uses the KR808.

Nothing wrong with having more than one.

True that nowadays I perfer my p-18 and reo because I got over cigarettes it was just the beginning where I still needed the cig in my hand. Also Riva or Bloog both units are great small devices for bar nights. I don't see myself bringing my Reo Grand with me to the bar or a restaurant I rather have something small and cig like on me and the big boy units for home and car use.

 

[want to quit]

Since I just vape me fav juice I would also like to include that you can get millions of suggestions but in the end you will probably end up buying 5+ units until you really find what you love. That is vaping it is a journey but once you got there you will be a happy person.

 

[dormouse]

IMO - If you are anything like most people here including me, you are are going to buy them both eventually anyway. So just pick the one you want to try first. Then 2-4 weeks later, when your curiosity gets the better of you, buy the other.

 

[hawkfire1]

I think people are hung up about Bloog form factor looking like a cigarette, but I am trying to keep things practical and as simple as possible

If you really want to compare the the two kits with the cartomizers included, The Riva 510 only comes with one battery that should last about 4-5 hours on average depending on the type of cartomizer used. (ohm resistance).

The deluxe Bloog kit comes with 2 78mm batteries about 4-5 hours as well) , so you can also have two assembled pvs with you at all times. If the Riva 510 battery goes, well you have no more pv and back to analogs you go.