Time To Decide / BLOOG or RIVA 510
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I've decided that cartomizers are definitely the way to go .. still on the fence as far as tanks, drip tips, etc .. but it seems that the versatility of the 510 models allows a user to get into pretty much whatever hardware they want or like ..
I do appreciate your comments .. have read thru many from you here on ECF ..
And I think you're Avatar is very cool as well ..
Thanks! 
Get used to the Riva first. You can pick up the other things as you go. There are always great sales going on. Always check the Suppliers section
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Get used to the Riva first. You can pick up the other things as you go. There are always great sales going on. Always check the Suppliers section
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Not to confuse the issue, but why not do both?
I'm using a Riva 901 kit from Liberty Flights with Bloog cartomizers.
The Bloog's are fantastic and the Riva's give a day long charge.
I'm using a Riva 901 kit from Liberty Flights with Bloog cartomizers.
The Bloog's are fantastic and the Riva's give a day long charge.
I'm using an e-power with a 2.4 ohm ce2r5 at the moment. The e-power has a modular design, comes with ~ 1000mah batteries and replacement batteries run about 6.50 for a 1300mah battery. Check them out at Madvapes or Hoosierecig if you're interested. It doesn't have a long track record, but they've been getting good reviews and it's modular.
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Darn! I was about to suggest the Smokeless Image VOLT, for the very reason you stated ... and because it costs less, with much lower shipping charges, and provides superior customer service.
Actually, as a couple others have mentioned: Why not get the best of both worlds? Liberty-Flights' 750 mAh Riva-510 (3.2V "Lite Bundle" for $30 or 3.7V "Special Edition" for $35). [Don't forget to click on the "20% Discount" icon in the upper left of the screen first, in order to see those prices.] Then get any or all of the best cartomizers out there:
- $9 five-packs of VOLT cartos
- $2 Smok Tech Dual Coil cartos from Hoosier E-Cig Supply or Vapor Junction (sold as a $10 five-pack).
- $8 five-packs of EastMall LR 801 cartos from Vapor Junction.
I've also read great things about the Boge 2.0 Ohm cartomizers, but haven't yet tried them myself. You can get these from many suppliers, including Liberty-Flights for $10 per five-pack while you're there. [And consider trying the Boge 801 Cartomizer 2.0 Ohm cartomizers on the same page. I think the 801 provides the richest tasting vaping experience and Boge is right up there with EastMall (the maker of the Riva) and Smok Tech in producing great products.]
You'll need 510-to-808/901 and 510-to-801 adapters for the VOLT and 801 cartomizers respectively. The least expensive are at Good Prophets ($1), but you could get them for $5 each while you're at Vapor Junction if you prefer.
Copy of my orginal Post ..
After considerable reading and study, I have finally decided on upgrading my NJOY .. it's boiling down to
BLOOG Maxx Fusion Deluxe Starter kit and a pack of Cartos (BloogPlanet) .. or
Riva 510 - Lite Bundle .. (LibertyFlights) and a pack of Boge Cartos ..
Still undecided on flavors .. tried a cherry from UnrealCigs and kinda liked it ..
Help me decide between the two and feel free to recommend some flavors as well from either of these sellers .. I'd like to get the flavors at the same place and save a little shipping ..
After considerable reading and study, I have finally decided on upgrading my NJOY .. it's boiling down to
BLOOG Maxx Fusion Deluxe Starter kit and a pack of Cartos (BloogPlanet) .. or
Riva 510 - Lite Bundle .. (LibertyFlights) and a pack of Boge Cartos ..
Still undecided on flavors .. tried a cherry from UnrealCigs and kinda liked it ..
Help me decide between the two and feel free to recommend some flavors as well from either of these sellers .. I'd like to get the flavors at the same place and save a little shipping ..
I got mine from several suppliers but mostly Battery Junction and Lighthound. 900 and 1300 mAh with a 2000 recharge rating unlike the proprietary batteries that have about a 200 recharge rating. I've used my 14500 batteries for close to two years now and my RCR123A batteries for over two years.
Well im just gonna throw in my 2 cents ok???......Personaly to me Bloog and Volt and V4L are all kind of a rip off IMO (thats right I said it LOL, now im waiting for the V4L lovers to bit my head off) They are ALL KR808d-1's, so way pay for a brand name on them and a cool sticker that says "volt" or Bloog" or "V4L"? I never understood this. Not to mention there OVERPRICED cartos. EVERYONE(well every ECF vender at least) is now selling horizontal coil cartos. You ever wonder why these vender always have a coupon code running for 25% or 28% off if you spend "X" amount? Its becasue if they dont run the coupon code THEY ARE WAY OVER PRICED! The only thing Bloog and Volt have going for them over a generic KR808d-1 is they have the rubberized coating on the batteries which I admit is kinda cool. But paying $10.99 for a 5 pack of blank cartos is kinda a slap in the face IMO. Now if they are LR say 2.4 OHM THEN maybe its justified. BUT this is only if you want to vape at 5.5 or 6 watts and like more heat. Otherwise a 3.0 ohm cartomizer on a 3.7 volt PV would be running about 4.5 Watts which is great for a lot of people. If you decide to go with a KR808d-1 instead of a joye 510 then my suggestion would be go to MVS and buy the KR808d-1 kit for 32.99 with a 84mm 280mAH batteries. and they have a 5% coupon code too. and dont overpay for a "cool kids" vender with a sticker or rubber coating. Thats just my 2 cents.
Now as far as some people on here calling a joye 510 or KR808d-1 a "mini".....WOW when did people start calling them a "mini" LMAO. A M40x series is a "mini" in my book. But moders are funny like that. Next thing you know they will start calling a joye Ego a "mini" LOL. Then the moders will start making back pack sized PV's that you wear around and they will start calling the sliver bullet a "mini" LMAO
Now as far as some people on here calling a joye 510 or KR808d-1 a "mini".....WOW when did people start calling them a "mini" LMAO. A M40x series is a "mini" in my book. But moders are funny like that. Next thing you know they will start calling a joye Ego a "mini" LOL. Then the moders will start making back pack sized PV's that you wear around and they will start calling the sliver bullet a "mini" LMAO
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Interesting information on the cartomizers. I wasn't aware of that, so thanks I for one will look into that further.
Question for you? Are all the current 808s being sold regulated at 3.6 volts from right off the charger until they die? I thought that was unique to only a few, specifically the Bloog and the Volts (and I think I heard even the new V4L)? Do they all eliminate the need for the primer puff too that the old 808s needed in order to activate (whatever it is that get's activated) and heat the atomizer?
Forgive me, vert; I'm kind of a newbie around here compared to you. But have you actually vaped a Bloog or a VOLT cartomizer? I have and, in my newbie opinion, they are far superior to generic Kr8 cartos. I grant that other suppliers may also have come out with superior Kr8's, but these are two examples of the best ... and the VOLTs are not overpriced.
As for what is a "Mini": Typically the Mini category is considered any e-cig 106 to 118mm in length. That does indeed include the 108mm M401 ... and the 112mm Joye510 and 117mm Kr8 (standard battery size). It does not include the 98mm M402 or 89mm M403, which fall into the 84 to 103mm Super-mini category.
I think some guy gathered together the collective wisdom on this back in the fall of 2009 in an illustrated guide thingie in the ECF Library. [NOTE: The fact that he said it or that it's in the Library doesn't make it so, but he did carefully research it and what he wrote there has never been challenged. It's been viewed by a few people.;-)]
Oh how the sarcasm drips.
As for what is a "Mini": Typically the Mini category is considered any e-cig 106 to 118mm in length. That does indeed include the 108mm M401 ... and the 112mm Joye510 and 117mm Kr8 (standard battery size). It does not include the 98mm M402 or 89mm M403, which fall into the 84 to 103mm Super-mini category.
I think some guy gathered together the collective wisdom on this back in the fall of 2009 in an illustrated guide thingie in the ECF Library. [NOTE: The fact that he said it or that it's in the Library doesn't make it so, but he did carefully research it and what he wrote there has never been challenged. It's been viewed by a few people.;-)]
Oh how the sarcasm drips.
Well let me first say maybe I went off on a little rant there about things being WAY overpriced LOL. If you like the vender and their costumer service and their fast shipping ect ect. does it really matter if their starter kit cast $8 more or if their 5 pack of carto's is $1.50 more? In the bigger picture its not that much money I will agree. So sorry about the rant LOL
Ok now on to batteries and cartomizers......I am in no way an expert on the manufacturing of batteries in China LOL. But if you buy from a reputable vender like one off the ECF then YES they regulated at 3.6 volts(they are listed as a 3.7 PV) Think of it this way..... its not like "volt" or "bloog" or "V4l" owns a battery factory in china LOL. They are all buying from the same manufacturer. Think of them like a car battery, you can buy a car battery are Sears or wal-mart or "XYZ" auto parts store they will all have different stickers on them and all different price but they ALL rolled off the sale "Exide Corporation" assembly line.
Now on to cartomizers........What most people dont understand about vaping IMO is its ALL about WATTS! Although you will NEVER see anything listed in WATTS, thats becasue they dont know what you are going to be using it on and cant list watts. WATTS= HEAT more heat more vapor. You need to find your "sweet spot" for watts...with most vapors its around 4 to 9 watts. For me Sometimes I like around 4 watts, sometimes I like 6 watts LOL It if you have a 3.7 volt PV(KR808) and running a "standard carto" which is around 3.0 ohm's you are getting about 4.5 watts, which for me is just like an analog and what I like. If you want the vape hits like you see Grimmgreen getting on youtube, off a mod you are gonna have to get lower with the ohms on your cartos or atty(of course this REALLY depends on the voltage you are running) But for me running at 8 or 9 watts is like a rock concert fog machine and just to much IMO. People who vape 8 or 9 watts just amaze me lol, but to each their own i guess. Here is a chart to help you match the ohms of you carto with the voltage of your PV to find out how many WATTS(aka heat) you are generating. But remember more WATTS(heat) means less time your battery will last before it needs a recharge.
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/469/wattage.png
P.S. if you ever feel like spending $200 on a mod, this is why you should buy a Darwin and why all the hard core moders drool over it. You just set it at how many WATTS you want to vape at, then it automatically reads the ohms of the atty or carto you have screwed into it, and adjusts the voltage automatically when you hit them fire button MMMMMMM its awesome. Dont have to worry about screwing with some knob on my VV(variable voltage) PV according to what atty or carto I have in there, and HOPING i have the watts right, Just set it and forget it with the Darwin!
This is probaly WAY to much info but hope it helped....HAPPY VAPING!
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the volt kit equivalent to that you speak of from mvs is only 6 bucks more. I think that's worth the EXCELLENT customer service they have. as well as the proven reviews from those that actually tried the volt kit (youtube).
Well let me first say maybe I went off on a little rant there about things being WAY overpriced LOL. If you like the vender and their costumer service and their fast shipping ect ect. does it really matter if their starter kit cast $8 more or if their 5 pack of carto's is $1.50 more? In the bigger picture its not that much money I will agree. So sorry about the rant LOL
Ok now on to batteries and cartomizers......I am in no way an expert on the manufacturing of batteries in China LOL. But if you buy from a reputable vender like one off the ECF then YES they regulated at 3.6 volts(they are listed as a 3.7 PV) Think of it this way..... its not like "volt" or "bloog" or "V4l" owns a battery factory in china LOL. They are all buying from the same manufacturer. Think of them like a car battery, you can buy a car battery are Sears or wal-mart or "XYZ" auto parts store they will all have different stickers on them and all different price but they ALL rolled off the sale "Exide Corporation" assembly line.
Now on to cartomizers........What most people dont understand about vaping IMO is its ALL about WATTS! Although you will NEVER see anything listed in WATTS, thats becasue they dont know what you are going to be using it on and cant list watts. WATTS= HEAT more heat more vapor. You need to find your "sweet spot" for watts...with most vapors its around 4 to 9 watts. For me Sometimes I like around 4 watts, sometimes I like 6 watts LOL It if you have a 3.7 volt PV(KR808) and running a "standard carto" which is around 3.0 ohm's you are getting about 4.5 watts, which for me is just like an analog and what I like. If you want the vape hits like you see Grimmgreen getting on youtube, off a mod you are gonna have to get lower with the ohms on your cartos or atty(of course this REALLY depends on the voltage you are running) But for me running at 8 or 9 watts is like a rock concert fog machine and just to much IMO. People who vape 8 or 9 watts just amaze me lol, but to each their own i guess. Here is a chart to help you match the ohms of you carto with the voltage of your PV to find out how many WATTS(aka heat) you are generating. But remember more WATTS(heat) means less time your battery will last before it needs a recharge.
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/469/wattage.png
P.S. if you ever feel like spending $200 on a mod, this is why you should buy a Darwin and why all the hard core moders drool over it. You just set it at how many WATTS you want to vape at, then it automatically reads the ohms of the atty or carto you have screwed into it, and adjusts the voltage automatically when you hit them fire button MMMMMMM its awesome. Dont have to worry about screwing with some knob on my VV(variable voltage) PV according to what atty or carto I have in there, and HOPING i have the watts right, Just set it and forget it with the Darwin!
This is probaly WAY to much info but hope it helped....HAPPY VAPING!
Ok now on to batteries and cartomizers......I am in no way an expert on the manufacturing of batteries in China LOL. But if you buy from a reputable vender like one off the ECF then YES they regulated at 3.6 volts(they are listed as a 3.7 PV) Think of it this way..... its not like "volt" or "bloog" or "V4l" owns a battery factory in china LOL. They are all buying from the same manufacturer. Think of them like a car battery, you can buy a car battery are Sears or wal-mart or "XYZ" auto parts store they will all have different stickers on them and all different price but they ALL rolled off the sale "Exide Corporation" assembly line.
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This is probaly WAY to much info but hope it helped....HAPPY VAPING!
Thanks for the reply. Honestly, it didn't help.
It only muddied the waters even further for me. Although, if you're right, then maybe it did help. 
I'm aware that all the ECF suppliers are buying from the same factories in China, however reading thread after thread after thread, I was still under the impression that only a few of these supplier are buying the particular batteries that the OP mentioned (Bloog, Volt, maybe V4L and a handful of others that are regulated at 3.6v and don't require the primer puff). In fact I recall one supplier say on their site that their batteries are Bloog type (can't remember which one now). Not sure why they would do that if there wasn't something special about the Bloog. I know on the Bloog forum for quite some time they were stating that they were the ONLY supplier with those battery features and they were able to do so because one of their supplier associates was actually located in China working with one of the factories to produce those batteries with those specs. Once the batteries started appearing on other supplier sites, I figured it was because while Bloog might have helped develop the current specs it was too costly to keep some kind of exclusive agreement and that other suppliers were buying them from that factory as well, but that the older type of 808s (unregulated, primer puff required) are still being supplied at cheaper prices. Sooooo, if that's not the case then I'm a bit ticked off at Bloog for making it seem like that IS the case. Unless of course I just misunderstood, but I don't think I did.
That said, where I buy my batteries (SmokelessImage), they're pretty cheap for the quality, and yes I do like the rubbery finish so I don't mind paying a small premium for that, if I am actually paying a premium.
So, still confused, but after I just talked it through with myself (
), I'm not concerned and will continue to buy where I do.Thanks for the reply. Honestly, it didn't help.
I'm aware that all the ECF suppliers are buying from the same factories in China, however reading thread after thread after thread, I was still under the impression that only a few of these supplier are buying the particular batteries that the OP mentioned (Bloog, Volt, maybe V4L and a handful of others that are regulated at 3.6v and don't require the primer puff). In fact I recall one supplier say on their site that their batteries are Bloog type (can't remember which one now). Not sure why they would do that if there wasn't something special about the Bloog. I know on the Bloog forum for quite some time they were stating that they were the ONLY supplier with those battery features and they were able to do so because one of their supplier associates was actually located in China working with one of the factories to produce those batteries with those specs. Once the batteries started appearing on other supplier sites, I figured it was because while Bloog might have helped develop the current specs it was too costly to keep some kind of exclusive agreement and that other suppliers were buying them from that factory as well, but that the older type of 808s (unregulated, primer puff required) are still being supplied at cheaper prices. Sooooo, if that's not the case then I'm a bit ticked off at Bloog for making it seem like that IS the case. Unless of course I just misunderstood, but I don't think I did.
That said, where I buy my batteries (SmokelessImage), they're pretty cheap for the quality, and yes I do like the rubbery finish so I don't mind paying a small premium for that, if I am actually paying a premium.
So, still confused, but after I just talked it through with myself (
There might be some old first Gen auto batteries still floating around out there from some venders but I doubt it. You know you have a First gen if the cut off is like 5 seconds LOL. It makes no difference to me becasue I NEVER use auto batteries. I many use mods anyways but use my 808 for my "out and about" e cig I also use my KR808 with a 901 atty to test new juices so I dont have to waste a carto on a juice that sucks
. I also have a 510 adapter for my KR808 so I can used a de-bridged and de-wicked 306 atty for testing juices. I would NEVER drip with a auto battery. In the end if you are satisfied with their costumer service and all that by all means use them. Its just a buck or two extra. And I will say the rubbery finish on the volt a bloog is kinda cool. I guess it was me just being nit picky when this "volt" start sweeping the newbie vape community by storm.......To me I was just thinking "whats the big deal its just a 2nd Gen KR808d-1" But I can say they did send too the right people on youtube to review. It was a genius marketing plan LOL And the PCC "looks" cool but IMO not very practical than "normal" one everyone else sells has a spot for 2 cartos but again thats just me being nit picky.
I guess the warning sign of the OLD KR808d-1 auto batteries would be, if you go on a venders site and they have them on "special" or in the "bargain bin" for a 23.99 starter kit LOL Other than that the good vender go though so much stock they have not had the 1st Gen is almost a year.
It's a fine style. But if you want to play it safe
1) One Riva 510 set
2) One cheap 808 set
I only know my local dealer that carries a single battery 510 for $15, but lecig carries their base 808 kit
1) battery
2) One usb charger
3) 5 cartomizers
$30
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Spending extra money has utility. You get the big one for daily use, and you have a small one for travel. Maybe the 808 will work out better for you, maybe it won't.
I killed an auto 808 within a week due to the batterys not being sealed. Are the Bloog batterys sealed?
The Riva SE kit I purchased, has been working flawlessly for 5+ months and has been the reason i've quit cigs completely.
The Riva SE kit I purchased, has been working flawlessly for 5+ months and has been the reason i've quit cigs completely.
To answer the OPs question, out of the 2 selected, I would go with the Bloog Maxxfusion.
The Bloog kr808-d1 with Cartomizer vs a Riva 510 using carts is a no brainer to me in terms of ease of use. The Bloog comes with cartomizers, and the Riva 510 lite kit comes with 2 atomizers and 10 carts. With a cart and atomizer setup you will be dealing with juice leaking, inconsistent juice feed and occasional dry hits, not to mention the problems you will experience if you get the atomizer too hot.
With the Bloog and a two piece system, you don't have these issues. Plus refilling a carto is very simple and virtually hassle free compared to refilling a 510 carto.
On the downside, Battery life is shorter than the RIVA. But thats what the PCC is for.
Now, some people have recommended the Volt which I also own and use along with the Bloog. Some people say its the same because they look the same, but I must disagree based on my own findings.
If I fill both a blank bloog carto and a blank smokeless image carto with the exact same e-liquid (BWB Malty Toffee 30pg/70vg) and vape it, it tastes different and battery life is different as well. The Bloog carto ohmed out at 2.66. Battery straight off the charger at 3.71 and under load at 3.61. The smokeless image carto ohmed out at 2.15. Battery off the charger at 4.29 and under load at 3.6 The battery on the bloog lasted a little under 2 hours. I got a little over an hour out of the smokeless image volt. What is even stranger is that there were no wicking issues with the volt cartomizer, But with the Bloog I would get an occasional dry hit under the same approximate usage.
The Bloog and the Volt may look alike, but in my opinion, do not perform the same.
The volt is a decent kit for the price if you choose it as an alternate to the Bloog.
The Bloog kr808-d1 with Cartomizer vs a Riva 510 using carts is a no brainer to me in terms of ease of use. The Bloog comes with cartomizers, and the Riva 510 lite kit comes with 2 atomizers and 10 carts. With a cart and atomizer setup you will be dealing with juice leaking, inconsistent juice feed and occasional dry hits, not to mention the problems you will experience if you get the atomizer too hot.
With the Bloog and a two piece system, you don't have these issues. Plus refilling a carto is very simple and virtually hassle free compared to refilling a 510 carto.
On the downside, Battery life is shorter than the RIVA. But thats what the PCC is for.
Now, some people have recommended the Volt which I also own and use along with the Bloog. Some people say its the same because they look the same, but I must disagree based on my own findings.
If I fill both a blank bloog carto and a blank smokeless image carto with the exact same e-liquid (BWB Malty Toffee 30pg/70vg) and vape it, it tastes different and battery life is different as well. The Bloog carto ohmed out at 2.66. Battery straight off the charger at 3.71 and under load at 3.61. The smokeless image carto ohmed out at 2.15. Battery off the charger at 4.29 and under load at 3.6 The battery on the bloog lasted a little under 2 hours. I got a little over an hour out of the smokeless image volt. What is even stranger is that there were no wicking issues with the volt cartomizer, But with the Bloog I would get an occasional dry hit under the same approximate usage.
The Bloog and the Volt may look alike, but in my opinion, do not perform the same.
The volt is a decent kit for the price if you choose it as an alternate to the Bloog.
One other recommendation here.
If you have not actually handled a kr808 or a Riva in person, I would recommend going to a e-cig store or kiosk near you and actually trying to handle the product to get an idea if you would be comfortable with the feel and weight of the device first so you have an idea if you are actually comfortable with the product. You just can't do that with a pic online.
As an example, When the Volcano Inferno (Ego, similar in size to the Riva 510) first came out, I saw the pics and thought that's really nice looking for a cigarette style e-cig.
Yeah right, when I went in person to Volcano and actually saw and handled it, I was like WTH? I'm not walking around with some high tech magic marker or super giant push pop thing and vaping it in public. NO way!!! Sorry but I just don't feel comfortable with something that big in public. But I bought it anyhow for home use since it came with the 650 usb passthrough battery and all I had at the time was a little sister VV and did not like having to wait for batteries to charge.
I think it's best to figure out what you would be most comfortable with in terms of large battery or small battery and move on from there because to be honest, if you are not comfortable with the look, weight, feel and performance of the device you will buy, you'll only waste your time and money and not achieve whatever goal you have in mind.
If you have not actually handled a kr808 or a Riva in person, I would recommend going to a e-cig store or kiosk near you and actually trying to handle the product to get an idea if you would be comfortable with the feel and weight of the device first so you have an idea if you are actually comfortable with the product. You just can't do that with a pic online.
As an example, When the Volcano Inferno (Ego, similar in size to the Riva 510) first came out, I saw the pics and thought that's really nice looking for a cigarette style e-cig.
Yeah right, when I went in person to Volcano and actually saw and handled it, I was like WTH? I'm not walking around with some high tech magic marker or super giant push pop thing and vaping it in public. NO way!!! Sorry but I just don't feel comfortable with something that big in public. But I bought it anyhow for home use since it came with the 650 usb passthrough battery and all I had at the time was a little sister VV and did not like having to wait for batteries to charge.
I think it's best to figure out what you would be most comfortable with in terms of large battery or small battery and move on from there because to be honest, if you are not comfortable with the look, weight, feel and performance of the device you will buy, you'll only waste your time and money and not achieve whatever goal you have in mind.
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