Titanium wires
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we say exactly the same thing Captain. Let me explain:
if kanthal has these properties then it wouldnt be oxidised with torch and we wouldnt be able to make microcoils that their wraps touch each other. So kanthal is oxidised and we vape that oxide. So we come again to the point we started and that point is that we MUST NEVER oxidise our metals, its really dangerous.
Almost all metal oxides are very dangerous materials.
Also, these metals like kanthal are not bio compatible, that means that even if they are not oxidised, they are not suitable with human chemistry and they will bring health problems.
if kanthal has these properties then it wouldnt be oxidised with torch and we wouldnt be able to make microcoils that their wraps touch each other. So kanthal is oxidised and we vape that oxide. So we come again to the point we started and that point is that we MUST NEVER oxidise our metals, its really dangerous.
Almost all metal oxides are very dangerous materials.
Also, these metals like kanthal are not bio compatible, that means that even if they are not oxidised, they are not suitable with human chemistry and they will bring health problems.
Ask "Super_x Driffter" ... It's his first microcoil I think
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Nope here's the first micro coil
See, the wraps didn't all touch. It's the you tube guys who screwed up what a micro coil is
we have to know exactly why they are better steliosss. And they are better because of titamium and its bio compatibility properties. You know how much I like to bring facts on table and not just try to make impressions.
True Captain!!
The point of our conversation is not if NiChrome or Kanthal are good or bad.
The point is that Titanium wires are better
So let's start.........
You are exactly right superx. Now we are talking seriously. Thats a great microcoil where threads are very close each other but they dont touch each other. This is one great microcoil and its like mine inside Tilemahos and of course it vapes great.
Guys, keep your metals in good condition. Dont destroy their surfaces.
No one would keep fresh water in a burned metal bottle. I cant be more clear on what I am trying to say
Guys, keep your metals in good condition. Dont destroy their surfaces.
No one would keep fresh water in a burned metal bottle. I cant be more clear on what I am trying to say
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Nope here's the first micro coil
See, the wraps didn't all touch. It's the you tube guys who screwed up what a micro coil is
sorry for being the devil advocate again, buteven though I have the feeling that those Ti wires are making things better (yes I'm gonna be in the F5 war), I still think that Imeo and Vasillis are missing the killer bullet: a clear scientific explanation ...
What is the oxyde that is dangerous in other type of wires that is not made by Ti? What are the Ti oxydes, and why are they less dangerous than other metal oxydes?
We - as human being - are using metal since bronze age (a good 5000+ years), but it's still hard to get that basic information !!! Of course someone could tell me that I should do my own search, but I was expecting you guys would have done this part of the work, since you're about to sell it and advertise it as a safer wick.
I want to be a believer, but i miss this list of hazardous alloys, and their effects on health: a bit of chemical and medical evidences, please !!
What is the oxyde that is dangerous in other type of wires that is not made by Ti? What are the Ti oxydes, and why are they less dangerous than other metal oxydes?
We - as human being - are using metal since bronze age (a good 5000+ years), but it's still hard to get that basic information !!! Of course someone could tell me that I should do my own search, but I was expecting you guys would have done this part of the work, since you're about to sell it and advertise it as a safer wick.
I want to be a believer, but i miss this list of hazardous alloys, and their effects on health: a bit of chemical and medical evidences, please !!
monk, I always talk with scientific evidences. Maybe you missed some of my posts.
Almost all metal oxides are dangerous materials. Same applies to titanium. So we must never burn metals and produce oxides. Thats what I am saying all this time buddy
Almost all metal oxides are dangerous materials. Same applies to titanium. So we must never burn metals and produce oxides. Thats what I am saying all this time buddy
search google about metal oxides monk. You will get all the info you need. These materials are poissons
point taken, no wire whatsoever should be dry burned, be they titanium, kanthal or other alloys.
Now what if?? It's 100% sure that some of the Ti wires users will eventually dry burn it, is it less/equaly/more dangerous than other traditional alloys?
On the other hand, why is kanthal more dangerous than titanium if it's never dry burned?
Now what if?? It's 100% sure that some of the Ti wires users will eventually dry burn it, is it less/equaly/more dangerous than other traditional alloys?
On the other hand, why is kanthal more dangerous than titanium if it's never dry burned?
because other materials are not bio compatible monk. Thats why we dont put water in any kind of plastic bottle, thats why we use SS pans, thats why we dont use forks made by brass etc. The small particles that these materials leave to our hands, mouth etc make us sick
For all who intrested there is some reference in the link regarding hazard of metal fumes.
Though it have been made with welders industry workers in mind it dose provide some
Charts wich show how Titanium dioxides is less hazard compare to other metal,
That demonstrate in the mentioned chart buy setting a higher upper limits of particals
That alow to be inhale before majore illness or hazard will take place (sort of).
Titanium dioxides is mark higher then the rest of metal pointed.
I'm not a chemistry in my profession so I don't attampt to cover or understand all,
Read this and see if it's any help in clarifying any better.
Here is the link :
https://www.aiha.org/localsections/html/NTS/0602News1.pdf
Have fun,and advice us back if you get any more information out of this.
Bottom line I got from this is that Imeo correct all the way in the big picture.
I must add as always
Though it have been made with welders industry workers in mind it dose provide some
Charts wich show how Titanium dioxides is less hazard compare to other metal,
That demonstrate in the mentioned chart buy setting a higher upper limits of particals
That alow to be inhale before majore illness or hazard will take place (sort of).
Titanium dioxides is mark higher then the rest of metal pointed.
I'm not a chemistry in my profession so I don't attampt to cover or understand all,
Read this and see if it's any help in clarifying any better.
Here is the link :
https://www.aiha.org/localsections/html/NTS/0602News1.pdf
Have fun,and advice us back if you get any more information out of this.
Bottom line I got from this is that Imeo correct all the way in the big picture.
I must add as always
And here is one more from totaly different industry branch (cosmetics)
But again it show very clearly that Titanium and titanium dioxides are the safer from all
Other metals,and it give strong warning to avoide nanoparticles.....
Again I'm not an expert just make simple 1 + 1 = 11 right no I guess it's 2 lol
Campaign for Safe Cosmetics : Lead and Other Heavy Metals
But again it show very clearly that Titanium and titanium dioxides are the safer from all
Other metals,and it give strong warning to avoide nanoparticles.....
Again I'm not an expert just make simple 1 + 1 = 11 right
no I guess it's 2 lol Campaign for Safe Cosmetics : Lead and Other Heavy Metals
This is the micro coil I just wrapped no pre torching. It's 29 ga, .055 " inside diameter, .97 ohms, KGD wick and vapes awesome.
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And here is one more from totaly different industry branch (cosmetics)
But again it show very clearly that Titanium and titanium dioxides are the safer from all
Other metals,and it give strong warning to avoide nanoparticles.....
Again I'm not an expert just make simple 1 + 1 = 11 right
Campaign for Safe Cosmetics.:.Lead and Other Heavy Metals
You are great, my friend.
And thanks for this good work. This exactly explains why Imeo want to change the metal to Ti.
And it is necessary to explain why this have to happen.
now I see the pic superx. It seems like a very nice coil. I will post my coil now, the one that vaped like a train in my last video
I see there's evidence that the oxidation of any metal coil MAY be hazardous. I'm wondering if there's any evidence that it has actually been hazardous to vapers. That may be out of the scope of this thread, but if there's any sources that show proof that people's health has been effected in a negative way I'd be curious to see them.
If titanium is theoretically safer than Kanthal and Nichrome, I do indeed see that as a good thing. If the oxidation of wire has been proven harmful to vapers based on real studies instead of speculation, I think that info would be VERY important to vapers. I'm not asking that this thread provides sources to research that has been done, but if this info is based on speculation and theory I think it's important that that's noted.
Dry burning my coils is something I do very often, because I vape juices like NETs that gunk up coils quick. If the reason that is harmful is just theory, it's not reason enough for me personally to stop. If it's actually been tested and proven to be harmful to vapers, that's a more convincing reason. There's just so much we do as vapers that in theory may be harmful, but the proper testing to find out the extent of that harm hasn't been done. That's why vaping is considered harm reduction, and not harmless.
on this video, coils are a little closer than superx's coils. But as superx said, both coils vape like trains
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